Talk to me about the 2016-17 Golden State Warriors

[Robceltsfan]

... NOR do they play Defense anymore.

I get so tired of hearing this horseshit.

that they don't play defense?

Yes, because it's horseshit.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Stop dude. I gave you examples also. It's players in the game now that have no concept of a midrange game or even have a post up game.

That is why I said earlier to you that it can be a little bit of both. You are trying to win an argument that is hard to win. I'm just trying to wake you up.

They actually used bigs back then so they got to go to the line. Nowadays you have perimeter players dominating the ball so things like ft% would probably be better.

The 3pt shot wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now, so there are trade offs.

... NOR do they play Defense anymore.

I get so tired of hearing this horseshit.

Open your eyes and WATCH the games fool, then maybe you won't need to hear it.

Defense today is garbage... and we saw just how bad it is in the Finals (122-115 was the average score in the series... you call that "playing Defense"?)

[Deez]

I get so tired of hearing this horseshit.

that they don't play defense?

Yes, because it's horseshit.

Well, obviously they play defense, Robby. They may not play as tough of D but they do play defense.

[vcsgrizzfan]

that they don't play defense?

Yes, because it's horseshit.

Well, obviously they play defense, Robby. They may not play as tough of D but they do play defense.

Playing defense against teams that make you guard all the way out to the three point line against almost everyone is stinking difficult, especially if those guys are also good passers. It's almost impossible if enough of those guys can also put the rock on the deck and drive it and dish or finish.

[Robceltsfan]

... NOR do they play Defense anymore.

I get so tired of hearing this horseshit.

Open your eyes and WATCH the games fool, then maybe you won't need to hear it.

Defense today is garbage... and we saw just how bad it is in the Finals (122-115 was the average score in the series... you call that "playing Defense"?)

And in the '87 Finals the average score was 115-111. In '85 it was 116-113. So what?

Just because Jordan and the Bulls ushered in the era of shitty offense doesn't mean that teams today don't play decent defense.

[Deez]

Yes, because it's horseshit.

Well, obviously they play defense, Robby. They may not play as tough of D but they do play defense.

Playing defense against teams that make you guard all the way out to the three point line against almost everyone is stinking difficult, especially if those guys are also good passers. It's almost impossible if enough of those guys can also put the rock on the deck and drive it and dish or finish.

Absolutely, half the teams I play in league up here is just solid 3 point shooters. You can't let them get any look at all. Sucks defending those 20 years olds off screens and shit all game when you are in your mid 30's

[Robceltsfan]

Last year....the same two teams had an average score of 100-100. The year before the same two teams had an average score of 101-94.

[thedangerouskitchen]

that they don't play defense?

Yes, because it's horseshit.

Well, obviously they play defense, Robby. They may not play as tough of D but they do play defense.

Riiight... they may not play tough OR "good" Defense, but yeah, ok... they play it.

[thedangerouskitchen]

I get so tired of hearing this horseshit.

Open your eyes and WATCH the games fool, then maybe you won't need to hear it.

Defense today is garbage... and we saw just how bad it is in the Finals (122-115 was the average score in the series... you call that "playing Defense"?)

And in the '87 Finals the average score was 115-111. In '85 it was 116-113. So what?

Just because Jordan and the Bulls ushered in the era of shitty offense doesn't mean that teams today don't play decent defense.

Exactly... until the Bad Boys changed the focus of the game in the late 80's, teams were far more Offensive oriented with much less focus on Defense (relative to the 90's), just like it is today.

Thanks for proving my point.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Well, obviously they play defense, Robby. They may not play as tough of D but they do play defense.

Playing defense against teams that make you guard all the way out to the three point line against almost everyone is stinking difficult, especially if those guys are also good passers. It's almost impossible if enough of those guys can also put the rock on the deck and drive it and dish or finish.

Absolutely, half the teams I play in league up here is just solid 3 point shooters. You can't let them get any look at all. Sucks defending those 20 years olds off screens and shit all game when you are in your mid 30's

It would suck even more if you had to defend the perimeter AND the mid-range / paint area... which you don't have to do today because everything is perimeter-oriented.

So really, it's actually easier to defend today because there's nothing else going on from 20-feet and in.

[Robceltsfan]

Open your eyes and WATCH the games fool, then maybe you won't need to hear it.

Defense today is garbage... and we saw just how bad it is in the Finals (122-115 was the average score in the series... you call that "playing Defense"?)

And in the '87 Finals the average score was 115-111. In '85 it was 116-113. So what?

Just because Jordan and the Bulls ushered in the era of shitty offense doesn't mean that teams today don't play decent defense.

Exactly... until the Bad Boys changed the focus of the game in the late 80's, teams were far more Offensive oriented with much less focus on Defense (relative to the 90's).

Thanks for proving my point.

1990 Finals - Pistons/Blazers - 107-102 (average score)
2016 Finals - Cavs/Dubs - 100-100
2015 Finals - Cavs/Dubs - 101-94

So the Cavs and Dubs in 16 and 15 played better D than the Bad Boy Pistons.

INCREDIBLE!!! WoW!!!

[vcsgrizzfan]

Playing defense against teams that make you guard all the way out to the three point line against almost everyone is stinking difficult, especially if those guys are also good passers. It's almost impossible if enough of those guys can also put the rock on the deck and drive it and dish or finish.

Absolutely, half the teams I play in league up here is just solid 3 point shooters. You can't let them get any look at all. Sucks defending those 20 years olds off screens and shit all game when you are in your mid 30's

It would suck even more if you had to defend the perimeter AND the mid-range / paint... which you don't have to do today because everythink is perimeter-oriented.

So really, it's actually easier to defend today because there's nothing else going on from 20-feet and in.

You've never played a game of basketball in your life. It's painfully obvious.

[thedangerouskitchen]

And in the '87 Finals the average score was 115-111. In '85 it was 116-113. So what?

Just because Jordan and the Bulls ushered in the era of shitty offense doesn't mean that teams today don't play decent defense.

Exactly... until the Bad Boys changed the focus of the game in the late 80's, teams were far more Offensive oriented with much less focus on Defense (relative to the 90's).

Thanks for proving my point.

1990 Finals - Pistons/Blazers - 107-102 (average score)
2016 Finals - Cavs/Dubs - 100-100
2015 Finals - Cavs/Dubs - 101-94

So the Cavs and Dubs in 16 and 15 played better D than the Bad Boy Pistons.

INCREDIBLE!!! WoW!!!

TDK wonders why RobTot is deflecting, and talking about every year OTHER than "this" year, especially since TDK specifically mentioned "today's" Defense.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Absolutely, half the teams I play in league up here is just solid 3 point shooters. You can't let them get any look at all. Sucks defending those 20 years olds off screens and shit all game when you are in your mid 30's

It would suck even more if you had to defend the perimeter AND the mid-range / paint... which you don't have to do today because everythink is perimeter-oriented.

So really, it's actually easier to defend today because there's nothing else going on from 20-feet and in.

You've never played a game of basketball in your life. It's painfully obvious.

5 guys guarding the perimeter only is MUCH easier than 5 guys having the guard the perimeter, mid-range and paint... it's painfully obvious you're still stuck-on-stupid from that beat-down you got on the other thread.

[Robceltsfan]

Exactly... until the Bad Boys changed the focus of the game in the late 80's, teams were far more Offensive oriented with much less focus on Defense (relative to the 90's).

Thanks for proving my point.

1990 Finals - Pistons/Blazers - 107-102 (average score)
2016 Finals - Cavs/Dubs - 100-100
2015 Finals - Cavs/Dubs - 101-94

So the Cavs and Dubs in 16 and 15 played better D than the Bad Boy Pistons.

INCREDIBLE!!! WoW!!!

TDK wonders why RobTot is deflecting, and talking about every year OTHER than "this" year, especially since TDK specifically mentioned "today's" Defense.

I did talk about this year, moron. I even compared it directly to some of the 80's high scoring seasons....back when you claim everyone got beat down anytime they got within a 15 foot radius of the rim.

Regardless, your take on pretty much every subject is the same. Era "X" is shit....the 90's were the greatest. Player "X" is shit....Jordan is the greatest. Team "X" is shit....the Bulls were the greatest.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Havlicekstealsit]

"your take on pretty much every subject is the same. Era "X" is shit....the 90's were the greatest. Player "X" is shit....Jordan is the greatest. Team "X" is shit....the Bulls were the greatest."

It's why I don't engage much once he stumbles into a thread. Next to Artman, never before has a poster typed so much yet says so little.

[thedangerouskitchen]

1990 Finals - Pistons/Blazers - 107-102 (average score)
2016 Finals - Cavs/Dubs - 100-100
2015 Finals - Cavs/Dubs - 101-94

So the Cavs and Dubs in 16 and 15 played better D than the Bad Boy Pistons.

INCREDIBLE!!! WoW!!!

TDK wonders why RobTot is deflecting, and talking about every year OTHER than "this" year, especially since TDK specifically mentioned "today's" Defense.

I did talk about this year, moron. I even compared it directly to some of the 80's high scoring seasons....back when you claim everyone got beat down anytime they got within a 15 foot radius of the rim.

Regardless, your take on pretty much every subject is the same. Era "X" is shit....the 90's were the greatest. Player "X" is shit....Jordan is the greatest. Team "X" is shit....the Bulls were the greatest.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

...and you were beat-down hard with the facts (ie; the NBA was faaaaaar less Defense-oriented UNTIL the Bad Boys changed the mindset of teams in the late 80's).

Then you deflected like a coward and started talking about 2015, 2016, etc.

Bottom line: You're a complete fool if you think today's Defense is anything other than mediocre AT BEST... and no matter how hard you try, you'll never change the fact that the Defense played in the 2017 Finals was horrendous.

Just because you can't handle facts is no reason to get all riled up.

[Robceltsfan]

TDK wonders why RobTot is deflecting, and talking about every year OTHER than "this" year, especially since TDK specifically mentioned "today's" Defense.

I did talk about this year, moron. I even compared it directly to some of the 80's high scoring seasons....back when you claim everyone got beat down anytime they got within a 15 foot radius of the rim.

Regardless, your take on pretty much every subject is the same. Era "X" is shit....the 90's were the greatest. Player "X" is shit....Jordan is the greatest. Team "X" is shit....the Bulls were the greatest.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

...and you were beat-down hard with the facts (ie; the NBA was faaaaaar less Defense-oriented UNTIL the Bad Boys changed the mindset of teams in the late 80's).

Then you deflected like a coward and started talking about 2015, 2016, etc.

Bottom line: You're a complete fool if you think today's Defense is anything other than mediocre AT BEST... and no matter how hard you try, you'll never change the fact that the Defense played in the 2017 Finals was horrendous.

Just because you can't handle facts is no reason to get all riled up.

How about this.

Offenses of the 90's and early 00's fucking sucked ass until the league was forced to change the rules to help the product that Michael Jordan ruined.

[thedangerouskitchen]

"your take on pretty much every subject is the same. Era "X" is shit....the 90's were the greatest. Player "X" is shit....Jordan is the greatest. Team "X" is shit....the Bulls were the greatest."

It's why I don't engage much once he stumbles into a thread. Next to Artman, never before has a poster typed so much yet says so little.

That's because there really is nothing much to say... Jordan IS the GOAT, the 90's Bulls ARE the greatest Dynasty in modern NBA history... the Defense played in the 90's was much better than the YMCA type Defense we see today, etc.

Soooo... just because bitches like you guys refuse to accept the facts means I shouldn't bring up the facts?



Hey, if I hurt your feelings with the truth, maybe you guys can share a safe-space or something and talk out your frustrations with each other?

[thedangerouskitchen]

I did talk about this year, moron. I even compared it directly to some of the 80's high scoring seasons....back when you claim everyone got beat down anytime they got within a 15 foot radius of the rim.

Regardless, your take on pretty much every subject is the same. Era "X" is shit....the 90's were the greatest. Player "X" is shit....Jordan is the greatest. Team "X" is shit....the Bulls were the greatest.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

...and you were beat-down hard with the facts (ie; the NBA was faaaaaar less Defense-oriented UNTIL the Bad Boys changed the mindset of teams in the late 80's).

Then you deflected like a coward and started talking about 2015, 2016, etc.

Bottom line: You're a complete fool if you think today's Defense is anything other than mediocre AT BEST... and no matter how hard you try, you'll never change the fact that the Defense played in the 2017 Finals was horrendous.

Just because you can't handle facts is no reason to get all riled up.

How about this.

Offenses of the 90's and early 00's fucking sucked ass until the league was forced to change the rules to help the product that Michael Jordan ruined.

You're getting riled up again, RobTot... take it easy, breathe-in/out.



Now then... it's fair to say that Offenses in the second-half of the 90's declined "relative to" the 80's through the early 90's. But so what... what does that have to do with today's Defense being lousy?



Stay on track, RobTot.