2014 Anger General Geatest of All Time: #22 selection

[elmouse03]

Isaiah I'm his prime wasn't as good as wade

Well when he is still young but the Kings suck.

[Master Spade]

PIPPEN!

What is wrong with you people voting for Wade? and I repeat Isiah or Dirk are not better than Scottie Pimpin.

Open your eyes.

Both of those guys were bonafide leaders of their teams. Quit trying to get a guy who spent a majority of his career as second fiddle into the top 25. Pippen's good but he never won shit without #23 by his side.

You seriously don't think Pippen is a Top 25 Player All Time??

I do. Maybe not #22, I voted Zeke. But IMO, he has to be a Top 25 player for what he DID do! He is one of the Top Defensive players of All Time! Was the 2nd Best player on those Bulls teams that won 6 titles! And remember, ANYONE that played with Jordan back then would've been considered the 2nd best player on that team behind the GOAT!

[Y2K]

PIPPEN!

What is wrong with you people voting for Wade? and I repeat Isiah or Dirk are not better than Scottie Pimpin.

Open your eyes.

Both of those guys were bonafide leaders of their teams. Quit trying to get a guy who spent a majority of his career as second fiddle into the top 25. Pippen's good but he never won shit without #23 by his side.

I am a Bulls and Pippen fan and I agree with this. Pippen was great but I will take him as my 2nd option rather then my first option.

Indeed.

[Master Spade]

Both of those guys were bonafide leaders of their teams. Quit trying to get a guy who spent a majority of his career as second fiddle into the top 25. Pippen's good but he never won shit without #23 by his side.

I am a Bulls and Pippen fan and I agree with this. Pippen was great but I will take him as my 2nd option rather then my first option.

Indeed.

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

[elmouse03]

I am a Bulls and Pippen fan and I agree with this. Pippen was great but I will take him as my 2nd option rather then my first option.

Indeed.

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

Well of course anybody would have been 2nd fiddle to Jordan but what about the years Jordan retired in 94 and most of 95? Pippen didn't take off in the scoring department and was able to lead the Bulls back to the finals. 22ppg in the regular season 94. 22.8 in the playoffs that year.

You know who is a guy who we are all forgetting about is somebody like Reggie Miller. Guy was a clutch beast in the playoffs. Couldn't get over the hump and win a title but had no lack of determination to try to do so.

[elmouse03]

I'll nominate Reggie Miller.

[wailuaFC]

I'll nominate Reggie Miller.

No. No. No. Reggie Miller was nothing, outside of 3 point shooting, almost every facet of his game was average to below average, he doesnt belong anywhere near this discussion.

[elmouse03]

To make Stephen happy I will take Rick Barry over Pippen. Honestly I would.

[Da Stars.]

I'll nominate Reggie Miller.

No. No. No. Reggie Miller was nothing, outside of 3 point shooting, almost every facet of his game was average to below average, he doesnt belong anywhere near this discussion.

Who says. :boxing: :boxing:

[elmouse03]

I'll nominate Reggie Miller.

No. No. No. Reggie Miller was nothing, outside of 3 point shooting, almost every facet of his game was average to below average, he doesnt belong anywhere near this discussion.

Who says. :boxing: :boxing:

Who says what?

[dwcmwa]

By the way I nominate Derrick Rose.

[Master Spade]

Indeed.

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

Well of course anybody would have been 2nd fiddle to Jordan but what about the years Jordan retired in 94 and most of 95? Pippen didn't take off in the scoring department and was able to lead the Bulls back to the finals. 22ppg in the regular season 94. 22.8 in the playoffs that year.

You know who is a guy who we are all forgetting about is somebody like Reggie Miller. Guy was a clutch beast in the playoffs. Couldn't get over the hump and win a title but had no lack of determination to try to do so.

So one of the knocks on Pippen is that his scoring didn't Take Off?? Come on! lol!! You don't have to be one of the GOAT in Scoring to be a Top 25 Player. He was a very good player in All facets of the Game. His speciality though: DEFENSE!!! Easily one of the GOAT Defensive Players, then Add those 22ppg and you have a Top 25 player of All Time! It's not like he was one of those Defensive players that Sucked on Offense. He scored over 20+ ppg, and was a Point Foward, getting assists.

As for the argument that he didn't win as the #1 Option, just remember that he never had the chance of having a team built FOR him. Other players had that luxury. Pippen in his Prime, had 1 and a half years. How many players ranked around this selection would somehow Thrive and do so much better in that short a time period!??

[wailuaFC]

I'll nominate Reggie Miller.

No. No. No. Reggie Miller was nothing, outside of 3 point shooting, almost every facet of his game was average to below average, he doesnt belong anywhere near this discussion.

Who says. :boxing: :boxing:

I honestly don't think he would make my top 50, he would be behind guys like pau, durant, Gilmore, Haywood, Manu, rodman, etc.

[dwcmwa]

Pippen no doubt deserves this spot, and could have went a couple spots earlier, his all-around game is nearly unmatched, he was 1 half of the Greatest Tandem in NBA History, and in the lone season he was the Top Dog, he had an MVP season, while winning All-Star Game MVP, and nearly leading the Bulls back to the Finals (only shady officiating stopped them from reaching at least the ECF).

Pippen's all-around stats and accomplishments, 2x Gold Medalist, Multiple time All-NBA'er, All-Defensive 1st teamer, arguably THEE Best Perimeter defender of all-time.


Please gentlemen, do the ring thing and vote Scottie.

[PhutureDynasty]

I am a Bulls and Pippen fan and I agree with this. Pippen was great but I will take him as my 2nd option rather then my first option.

Indeed.

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

Gonna respectfully disagree that ANY player in league history is Robin to Jordan's Batman. Prime Shaq and prime MJ on the same team is VERY debatable as to who is lead dog.

[Master Spade]

Indeed.

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

Gonna respectfully disagree that ANY player in league history is Robin to Jordan's Batman. Prime Shaq and prime MJ on the same team is VERY debatable as to who is lead dog.

Jordan would've made Shaq a better player! That would be Jordan's team, in every way.


But that's an argument for another day. Because for the here and now, my point remains for the players rated #20 and beyond. Anyone of them would be #2 to Jordan, agree? So to say that Pippen is not an All Time Top 25 player because he was 2nd to Jordan is not a valid argument against Pippen. That's all I'm trying to establish this low in the Rankings.

See my Point? Agree? Disagree?

[wailuaFC]

Indeed.

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

Gonna respectfully disagree that ANY player in league history is Robin to Jordan's Batman. Prime Shaq and prime MJ on the same team is VERY debatable as to who is lead dog.

Side not, I believe this idea of prime shaq being the most dominant force ever is blown so out of proportion. Was he really really damn good? Of course, but for the so called most dominant ever to fail to average 30 a game once in his career against arguably the weakest center competition ever has to stand out to people. Keep in mind players like melo and durant averaged more then that and against tougher competition might I add. Shaq had a glaring weakness that was easily and often taken Advantage of. I know I'm in the minority with this thinking but I stand by it

[Y2K]

Indeed.

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

Gonna respectfully disagree that ANY player in league history is Robin to Jordan's Batman. Prime Shaq and prime MJ on the same team is VERY debatable as to who is lead dog.

It would be MJ. BUT Shaq wouldn't be a second fiddle. He was just not the best leader because he was lazy and petty.

[Y2K]

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

Gonna respectfully disagree that ANY player in league history is Robin to Jordan's Batman. Prime Shaq and prime MJ on the same team is VERY debatable as to who is lead dog.

Side not, I believe this idea of prime shaq being the most dominant force ever is blown so out of proportion. Was he really really damn good? Of course, but for the so called most dominant ever to fail to average 30 a game once in his career against arguably the weakest center competition ever has to stand out to people. Keep in mind players like melo and durant averaged more then that and against tougher competition might I add. Shaq had a glaring weakness that was easily and often taken Advantage of. I know I'm in the minority with this thinking but I stand by it

And this post is the real truth and it is from a Lakers fan. I stand with u, wailuaFC.

[PhutureDynasty]

But Pippen being a 2nd fiddle to Jordan should NOT be held against him! As I stated earlier, ANYONE would've been that "2nd Fiddle" playing alongside the GOAT!

Besides, saying you wouldn't rank Pippen top 25 All Time because you would take him as your 2nd option over him being your 1st is wrong because this list is Top All Time Players, NOT: Who would you take in an All Time Draft. In a List like that, the player ranking would be ALOT different, as players that were not as good, but filled a need, would be taken before better players!

So I ask, is this list Top Player Ranking All Time, or a list of Who I'd take in an All Time Draft??

HUGE difference.

Gonna respectfully disagree that ANY player in league history is Robin to Jordan's Batman. Prime Shaq and prime MJ on the same team is VERY debatable as to who is lead dog.

Jordan would've made Shaq a better player! That would be Jordan's team, in every way.


But that's an argument for another day. Because for the here and now, my point remains for the players rated #20 and beyond. Anyone of them would be #2 to Jordan, agree? So to say that Pippen is not an All Time Top 25 player because he was 2nd to Jordan is not a valid argument against Pippen. That's all I'm trying to establish this low in the Rankings.

See my Point? Agree? Disagree?

Shaq would have helped Jordan too, it's a 2-way street. I could easily see an offense where Shaq is the primary scoring option with Jordan being the 2nd option, or vice-versa. Could you imagine those 2 in the triangle with Phil as coach?

I agree that Pippen shouldn't be scorned for being 2nd fiddle and he will get his fair shake in the top 20, whether now or at 29 I think he belongs somewhere in the twenties. 6 rings as the 2nd best player, great all-around game, and arguably GOAT perimeter defender. That's one hell of a resume.