After the first 3 games of the first-round it should be CLEAR that SGA is easily the MVP of the league... this guy not only led a bunch of tomato cans and d-leaguers to a 68-14 regular season record BUT he now has this sub-par supporting cast up 3-0 against a Grizzlies team that has a player who (some on the board claim) is even better than Michael Jordan!!
SGA + tomato cans/d-leaguers = 71-14, up 3-0 against a team led by a guy who is better than MJ
Joker + tomato cans/d-leaguers = 51-32, down 1-2 against a LOWER seed
Spoiler:
PS: Remember, "tomato cans and d-leaguers" is defined as players who have never made the all-star game in their career, which would describe SGA and Joker's respective suporting casts.
Clearly SGA >>> Joker... and it's not even close.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 10:02 am
SGA has been pretty dogshit so far. Homie is shooting 35% from the field and 25% from 3.
OKC's supporting cast is VASTLY better than Denver's.
And OKC was getting rocked until Ja got hurt last night.
Another pretend narrative that the facts don't back up:
SGA's supporting cast
22/5/5 on 48%/37%/79%
15/8/2 on 49%/38%/75%
12/4/2 on 49%/38%/83%
11/11/4 on 58%/0%/68%
10/3/2 on 44%/41%/82%
10/4/2 on 44%/41%/72%
8/3/3 on 47%/36%/81%
Joker's supporting cast
21/4/6 on 47%/39%/89%
18/7/2 on 50%/40%/77%
15/5/3 on 58%/40%/83%
15/5/3 on 53%/44%/82%
13/5/6 on 45%/32%/66%
9/2/1 on 43%/35%/82%
8/3/1 on 48%/35%/70%
CLEARLY Joker's teammates are just as good, if not better... and Scotty Pippen was carrying the Grizzlies in the first-half (before Ja Broni went down).
Nice try but... next.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 10:02 am
SGA has been pretty dogshit so far. Homie is shooting 35% from the field and 25% from 3.
OKC's supporting cast is VASTLY better than Denver's.
And OKC was getting rocked until Ja got hurt last night.
Another pretend narrative that the facts don't back up:
SGA's supporting cast
22/5/5 on 48%/37%/79%
15/8/2 on 49%/38%/75%
12/4/2 on 49%/38%/83%
11/11/4 on 58%/0%/68%
10/3/2 on 44%/41%/82%
10/4/2 on 44%/41%/72%
8/3/3 on 47%/36%/81%
Joker's supporting cast
21/4/6 on 47%/39%/89%
18/7/2 on 50%/40%/77%
15/5/3 on 58%/40%/83%
15/5/3 on 53%/44%/82%
13/5/6 on 45%/32%/66%
9/2/1 on 43%/35%/82%
8/3/1 on 48%/35%/70%
CLEARLY Joker's teammates are just as good, if not better... and Scotty Pippen was carrying the Grizzlies in the first-half (before Ja Broni went down).
Nice try but... next.
You keep using plain stats like it explains something.
For one, Joker is a facilitator, so his teammates are inherently going to have better stats. He creates easy looks, mismatches, and facilitates the entire offense.
SGA is a scorer first. He doesn't facilitate anywhere near as well as Jokic. Despite that, you can see in these 3 playoff games that despite SGA sucking ass, they are still destroying a playoff team.
24.3/5.0/6.0
23.3/5.7/5.3
21.0/9.7/0.7
Those are three OKC players this series. One is SGA. The other two have equivalent stat lines on WAYYYYY better efficiency.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 10:02 am
SGA has been pretty dogshit so far. Homie is shooting 35% from the field and 25% from 3.
OKC's supporting cast is VASTLY better than Denver's.
And OKC was getting rocked until Ja got hurt last night.
Another pretend narrative that the facts don't back up:
SGA's supporting cast
22/5/5 on 48%/37%/79%
15/8/2 on 49%/38%/75%
12/4/2 on 49%/38%/83%
11/11/4 on 58%/0%/68%
10/3/2 on 44%/41%/82%
10/4/2 on 44%/41%/72%
8/3/3 on 47%/36%/81%
Joker's supporting cast
21/4/6 on 47%/39%/89%
18/7/2 on 50%/40%/77%
15/5/3 on 58%/40%/83%
15/5/3 on 53%/44%/82%
13/5/6 on 45%/32%/66%
9/2/1 on 43%/35%/82%
8/3/1 on 48%/35%/70%
CLEARLY Joker's teammates are just as good, if not better... and Scotty Pippen was carrying the Grizzlies in the first-half (before Ja Broni went down).
Nice try but... next.
You keep using plain stats like it explains something.
For one, Joker is a facilitator, so his teammates are inherently going to have better stats. He creates easy looks, mismatches, and facilitates the entire offense.
SGA is a scorer first. He doesn't facilitate anywhere near as well as Jokic. Despite that, you can see in these 3 playoff games that despite SGA sucking ass, they are still destroying a playoff team.
24.3/5.0/6.0
23.3/5.7/5.3
21.0/9.7/0.7
Those are three OKC players this series. One is SGA. The other two have equivalent stat lines on WAYYYYY better efficiency.
at "keep using plain stats". Noooo... I'm using "factual" data which doesn't suit your pretend narrative.
SGA as a Scorer "first" means he commands the most attention/double-teams from opposing Defenses... which makes it easier for his teammates to get their shots off, and accumulate their stats and efficiency.
Next...
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
_Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:07 am
How much of a moron do you have to be to think that Denver, ex Jokic is not dissimilar to OKC, ex SGA?
Answer: a world class moron!
An even BIGGER moron thinks that it matters how a team does withOut their superstar when the only thing that's relevant is how the team performs WITH their superstar (hence, "supporting cast").
You, meatball, are a world-class moron... the same moron who thinks that a BAD team winning 48 games is somehow proof that the league is great.
No wonder you put me on ignore (or so you claim)... you got tired of getting the stupid slapped out of you.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
_Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:07 am
How much of a moron do you have to be to think that Denver, ex Jokic is not dissimilar to OKC, ex SGA?
Answer: a world class moron!
An even BIGGER moron thinks that it matters how a team does withOut their superstar when the only thing that's relevant is how the team performs WITH their superstar (hence, "supporting cast").
You, meatball, are a world-class moron... the same moron who thinks that a BAD team winning 48 games is somehow proof that the league is great.
No wonder you put me on ignore (or so you claim)... you got tired of getting the stupid slapped out of you.
Well, SGA missed 6 games this year. The Thunder went 5-1.
Jokic missed 12 games....the Nuggets went 4-8.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
_Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:07 am
How much of a moron do you have to be to think that Denver, ex Jokic is not dissimilar to OKC, ex SGA?
Answer: a world class moron!
An even BIGGER moron thinks that it matters how a team does withOut their superstar when the only thing that's relevant is how the team performs WITH their superstar (hence, "supporting cast").
You, meatball, are a world-class moron... the same moron who thinks that a BAD team winning 48 games is somehow proof that the league is great.
No wonder you put me on ignore (or so you claim)... you got tired of getting the stupid slapped out of you.
Well, SGA missed 6 games this year. The Thunder went 5-1.
Jokic missed 12 games....the Nuggets went 4-8.
The 5 wins? Yup... all lottery teams, including 3 of the 5 worsT teams in the league, and a Phoenix team playing withOut Durant.
...and again, the point here is how the team does WHEN their superstar is playing (ie; supporting cast).
Clearly SGA >>>>>>> Joker.
Next.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
Bush4Ever. wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:02 pm
TDK, your trolling becomes ineffective when you say things as absurd as OKC's supporting cast being worse than Denver's (or even equal).
You should just stay within the SGA > Jokic for MVP argument, which has a reasonable amount of connection to reality.
Just some friendly advice. Don't overreach yourself.
You called Joker's supporting cast a bunch of d-leaguers based on none of them making the all-star team.
In other words you're in no position to give any advice considering that statement (alone) confirms you're completely clueless.
A team doesn't win a Championship with a shitty (or even sub-par) supporting cast, dumbski... doesn't matter how good your superstar player is UNLESS the competition you're facing is weak AF.
Soooo... is that the narrative you want to run with now?
If not then run along 'cause you got nothing.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:31 pm
You called Joker's supporting cast a bunch of d-leaguers based on none of them making the all-star team.
Uhh, no....I called them subpar because the scoreboard changes in a radically downward manner when they can't rely on Joker (about -8 per 100 possessions without Joker....btw OKC was about +5 this year without SGA).
They dip from almost the league best offensively with Joker to the league worst (or very close) without.
They don't even defend well, unlike some of Lebron and Kobe's offensively challenged casts earlier in their careers.
They produce literally nothing well for the 2025 NBA. No offense. No defense. No dick.
thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:31 pm
You called Joker's supporting cast a bunch of d-leaguers based on none of them making the all-star team.
Uhh, no....I called them subpar because the scoreboard changes in a radically downward manner when they can't rely on Joker (about -8 per 100 possessions without Joker....btw OKC was about +5 this year without SGA).
They dip from almost the league best offensively with Joker to the league worst (or very close) without.
A "supporting cast" = the players "around" the superstar. When said superstar is not on the floor the rest of the team is no longer a "supporting cast", dumbski.
It only takes an average IQ to understand that concept, so either you're trolling OR you're indirectly admitting that the Nuggets beat weak AF competition in 2023 because, as noted, you don't win a ring any other way with a sub-par supporting cast, no matter how good the superstar is...and again, this same Denver core won a Championship just 2 years ago.
Give it up... you got nothing.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:31 pm
You called Joker's supporting cast a bunch of d-leaguers based on none of them making the all-star team.
Uhh, no....I called them subpar because the scoreboard changes in a radically downward manner when they can't rely on Joker (about -8 per 100 possessions without Joker....btw OKC was about +5 this year without SGA).
They dip from almost the league best offensively with Joker to the league worst (or very close) without.
A "supporting cast" = the players "around" the superstar. When said superstar is not on the floor the rest of the team is no longer a "supporting cast", dumbski.
It only takes an average IQ to understand that concept, so either you're trolling OR you're indirectly admitting that the Nuggets beat weak AF competition in 2023 because, as noted, you don't win a ring any other way with a sub-par supporting cast, no matter how good the superstar is...and again, this same Denver core won a Championship just 2 years ago.
Give it up... you got nothing.
You've said a lot of dumb shit over the years, but this post, this post right here......this one is definitely the dumbest.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
So what TDK is saying is that every movie has a lead movie star, and when the lead movie star is in a scene, any other actors in that scene are the supporting cast.
But when the lead actor isn't in the scene, the other actors are no longer the supporting cast. It's a completely different movie at that point!
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Uhh, no....I called them subpar because the scoreboard changes in a radically downward manner when they can't rely on Joker (about -8 per 100 possessions without Joker....btw OKC was about +5 this year without SGA).
They dip from almost the league best offensively with Joker to the league worst (or very close) without.
A "supporting cast" = the players "around" the superstar. When said superstar is not on the floor the rest of the team is no longer a "supporting cast", dumbski.
It only takes an average IQ to understand that concept, so either you're trolling OR you're indirectly admitting that the Nuggets beat weak AF competition in 2023 because, as noted, you don't win a ring any other way with a sub-par supporting cast, no matter how good the superstar is...and again, this same Denver core won a Championship just 2 years ago.
Give it up... you got nothing.
You've said a lot of dumb shit over the years, but this post, this post right here......this one is definitely the dumbest.
Is it as dumb as you/others trying to argue that a BAD team winning 48 games means the rest of the league is great.
And what I wrote is 100% spot on. All that matters is how the "supporting cast" performs WITH the superstar, because withOut the superstar no "supporting cast" in NBA history is/was good enough to challenge for a Championship.
Bottom line the Thunder's supporting cast is no better than Denver's.
Discuss why that fact triggers you, bush-league and others.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 1:02 pm
So what TDK is saying is that every movie has a lead movie star, and when the lead movie star is in a scene, any other actors in that scene are the supporting cast.
But when the lead actor isn't in the scene, the other actors are no longer the supporting cast. It's a completely different movie at that point!
You can't possibly be that stupid, can you... comparing a basketball team to an actor in a movie???
...and then you and TDK's other minions pretend like you got one over on TDK???
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
There is no universe where Chet Holmgren, Jalen Williams, Hartentstein, Dort etc is equivalent to Murray, Porter, Braun and Gordon, especially on the defensive end.
No GM would ever trade OKC's cast around SGA for Denver's cast around Jokic.
You have to have a Grand Canyon sized cognitive bias not to recognize that. Or alternatively, be mind numbing dumb.
Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Fri Apr 25, 2025 1:02 pm
So what TDK is saying is that every movie has a lead movie star, and when the lead movie star is in a scene, any other actors in that scene are the supporting cast.
But when the lead actor isn't in the scene, the other actors are no longer the supporting cast. It's a completely different movie at that point!
You can't possibly be that stupid, can you... comparing a basketball team to an actor in a movie???
...and then you and TDK's other minions pretend like you got one over on TDK???
It's a perfect analogy. You're a moron.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
