Joker currently has two (2) teammates who are better Offensively this year than Scottie Pippen in 1991...

[Uncontroversial]

Jokic with Pippen would have 7peated by now

[thedangerouskitchen]

It's just incredible that a "Bulls Fan" would shit on Scottie like this.

Please, continue!

Stating facts is not "shitting" on Pippen, fool. I never once put down Scottie... I simply showed the facts.

Again:

1991 Pippen: 17.8 PPG on 52%/32%/71%
2025 Murray: 21.4 PPG on 48%/40%/88%
2025 Porter: 18.4 PPG on 51%/40%/75%

Are you suggesting those facts are not accurate? Hell, let's even look at the go-to stat of many 'geniuses' on this board:

1991 Pippen: .561 TS%
2025 Murray: .584 TS%
2025 Porter: .618 TS%

Seems clear beyond a doubt: Joker has two (2) teammates who are better Offensively (ie; Scoring and Shooting, per the stats) than 1991 Scottie Pippen; therefore Joker has NO excuse for not winning the Championship this year.

Why is this confusing to you?

[thedangerouskitchen]

Interesting to note... Joker's supporting cast scored 105 points against the #1 Defense in the NBA tonight, the same 105 Points that the 1996 Bulls averaged (ie; the widely regarded GOAT Team in NBA history).

Not bad for a bunch of tomato cans and d-leaguers, eh?

[elmerjfudd]

This sounds like a great argument on how this generation shits on the 90s. Thanks OP

[Uncontroversial]

Nobody on earth believes MJ was better than Jokic is today. Not even TDK, who used to suck dick for coke, and lives with a male "domestic partner". Not even Deez the mental midget whose wife fucks strangers she meets online in his bed.

[Da Stars.]

Jokic with Pippen would have 7peated by now

Are we talking about the same Pippen that shot 31 percent in 91, 20 percent in 92, 24 percent in 93. He did not improve his 3 point shooting. Until,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you guessed it. Until they moved the line in.

I call bullshit.

[Robceltsfan]

Jokic with Pippen would have 7peated by now

Are we talking about the same Pippen that shot 31 percent in 91, 20 percent in 92, 24 percent in 93. He did not improve his 3 point shooting. Until,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you guessed it. Until they moved the line in.

I call bullshit.

I'm told by all the nostalgic people here that players from the 80's/90's would magically develop a better 3-point shot, given the opportunity. No reason to think Pippen would be any different!!!

[thedangerouskitchen]

This sounds like a great argument on how this generation shits on the 90s. Thanks OP

So to be clear.. your argument suggests that when a bunch of d-leaguers and tomato cans takes a shit on the #1 Defense in the NBA it's an example of the Modern Era shitting on the 90's?

Spoiler:

[Robceltsfan]

It's just incredible that a "Bulls Fan" would shit on Scottie like this.

Please, continue!

Stating facts is not "shitting" on Pippen, fool. I never once put down Scottie... I simply showed the facts.

Again:

1991 Pippen: 17.8 PPG on 52%/32%/71%
2025 Murray: 21.4 PPG on 48%/40%/88%
2025 Porter: 18.4 PPG on 51%/40%/75%

Are you suggesting those facts are not accurate? Hell, let's even look at the go-to stat of many 'geniuses' on this board:

1991 Pippen: .561 TS%
2025 Murray: .584 TS%
2025 Porter: .618 TS%

Seems clear beyond a doubt: Joker has two (2) teammates who are better Offensively (ie; Scoring and Shooting, per the stats) than 1991 Scottie Pippen; therefore Joker has NO excuse for not winning the Championship this year.

Why is this confusing to you?

The DIFFERENCE is that, for the 90's, Pippen (and his stats) was elite compared to his contemporaries. Whereas Murray and Porter are a dime a dozen in today's MUCH MORE SKILLED NBA.

Why is THAT so confusing to you?

[thedangerouskitchen]

Nobody on earth believes MJ was better than Jokic is today. Not even TDK, who used to suck dick for coke, and lives with a male "domestic partner". Not even Deez the mental midget whose wife fucks strangers she meets online in his bed.

Based on your extremely triggered post it would appear that only you/other non-educated hoops fans believe the drivel you just wrote.

Jordan was not only a Guard dominating a (then) Big Man Era in unprecedented "statistical" fashion, he was ALSO the greatest "winner" in NBA history (since the merger for sure, arguably ever).

Joker simply canNot say the same, even though, as this thread clearly illustrates, he's had more Offensive firepower around him than Jordan ever had.

Facts... now run along.

[Robceltsfan]

Denver's # 2 and 3 scorers are averaging 40.0 PPG.

Some other team's 2 & 3 scorers:

Cleveland: 39.4 PPG
Boston: 39.9
Knicks: 41.4
Bucks: 40.3
Lakers: 43.3
Memphis: 40.4
Rockets: 40.2

Should I continue?

[thedangerouskitchen]

It's just incredible that a "Bulls Fan" would shit on Scottie like this.

Please, continue!

Stating facts is not "shitting" on Pippen, fool. I never once put down Scottie... I simply showed the facts.

Again:

1991 Pippen: 17.8 PPG on 52%/32%/71%
2025 Murray: 21.4 PPG on 48%/40%/88%
2025 Porter: 18.4 PPG on 51%/40%/75%

Are you suggesting those facts are not accurate? Hell, let's even look at the go-to stat of many 'geniuses' on this board:

1991 Pippen: .561 TS%
2025 Murray: .584 TS%
2025 Porter: .618 TS%

Seems clear beyond a doubt: Joker has two (2) teammates who are better Offensively (ie; Scoring and Shooting, per the stats) than 1991 Scottie Pippen; therefore Joker has NO excuse for not winning the Championship this year.

Why is this confusing to you?

The DIFFERENCE is that, for the 90's, Pippen (and his stats) was elite compared to his contemporaries. Whereas Murray and Porter are a dime a dozen in today's MUCH MORE SKILLED NBA.

Why is THAT so confusing to you?

Fun Fact: The Dynasty Warriors (of 2015-2019) would be just a mediocre Offense today.

In other words the REAL truth here is the fact that today's Offenses "appear" to be so much better because today's Defenses are complete and utter garbage (due to the rules in place AND due to there being soooooo much spacing).

There can be no other explanation.

Next...

[thedangerouskitchen]

Denver's # 2 and 3 scorers are averaging 40.0 PPG.

Some other team's 2 & 3 scorers:

Cleveland: 39.4 PPG
Boston: 39.9
Knicks: 41.4
Bucks: 40.3
Lakers: 43.3
Memphis: 40.4
Rockets: 40.2

Should I continue?

Denver's Offense (full of tomato cans and d-leaguers) is vastly superior to the Dynasty Warriors Offenses of 2015-2019:

2025 Nuggets: 120.4 Offensive Rating
2015-19 Warriors: 111.6, 114.5, 115.6, 113.6 and 115.9 respectively

Should I continue??

[thedangerouskitchen]

Denver's # 2 and 3 scorers are averaging 40.0 PPG.

Some other team's 2 & 3 scorers:

Cleveland: 39.4 PPG
Boston: 39.9
Knicks: 41.4
Bucks: 40.3
Lakers: 43.3
Memphis: 40.4
Rockets: 40.2

Should I continue?

Also, yes, you may continue by explaining why Joker "supposedly" has a second-rate supporting cast when Denver's #2-3 Scorers are right on-par with all the other contending teams.

I'll wait...

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Jokic with Pippen would have 7peated by now

Are we talking about the same Pippen that shot 31 percent in 91, 20 percent in 92, 24 percent in 93. He did not improve his 3 point shooting. Until,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you guessed it. Until they moved the line in.

I call bullshit.

Think through everything you are saying here DaStars. Pippen is pretty much universally considered a top 30 player in NBA history, give or take. He is the best SF from the 90s and certainly a top 6-8 player for the entire decade. And yet, on a comparative basis to top SFs today, his offense is crap. That isn't because he was a crappy player, obviously. It is because the average player is so much better today than they were in the 90s.

I think Madnesssss has a great case actually. If you take today's Jokic, and plunk him in the 90s with Pippen and an well above PF that the Bulls always had on their title winning teams and solid role players, they absolutely steam roll that decade. Jokic dwarfs anyone from the 90s on the offensive side of the ball, including Jordan. And as has been proven multiple times, a well above average defender who makes everyone around him meaningfully better.

The Nuggets supporting cast is weak EXCEPT WHEN JOKIC is on the floor. The data is irrefutable. His incredible passing ability and the fact you have to guard him from 30 feet out means he creates much easier shots for his teammates than they otherwise would get in a more 'typical' environment. This has been proven over and over again as guys shooting percentage both overall and from deep rise dramatically when they are playing with Jokic.

Team him up in the 90s with Pippen, a couple of decent shooters and a slashers like Pippen and PFs of the ilk of Grant and Rodman, and the domination would be laughable.

[Titan18]

Seems like only TDK or arty related threads gets to page 2 these days.

The two GOATs

[Bush4Ever.]

It's sort of a false accomplishment though when half the posts are TDK being on ignore.

It's basically this in messageboard form.

[Da Stars.]

Jokic with Pippen would have 7peated by now

Are we talking about the same Pippen that shot 31 percent in 91, 20 percent in 92, 24 percent in 93. He did not improve his 3 point shooting. Until,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you guessed it. Until they moved the line in.

I call bullshit.

Think through everything you are saying here DaStars. Pippen is pretty much universally considered a top 30 player in NBA history, give or take. He is the best SF from the 90s and certainly a top 6-8 player for the entire decade. And yet, on a comparative basis to top SFs today, his offense is crap. That isn't because he was a crappy player, obviously. It is because the average player is so much better today than they were in the 90s.

I think Madnesssss has a great case actually. If you take today's Jokic, and plunk him in the 90s with Pippen and an well above PF that the Bulls always had on their title winning teams and solid role players, they absolutely steam roll that decade. Jokic dwarfs anyone from the 90s on the offensive side of the ball, including Jordan. And as has been proven multiple times, a well above average defender who makes everyone around him meaningfully better.

The Nuggets supporting cast is weak EXCEPT WHEN JOKIC is on the floor. The data is irrefutable. His incredible passing ability and the fact you have to guard him from 30 feet out means he creates much easier shots for his teammates than they otherwise would get in a more 'typical' environment. This has been proven over and over again as guys shooting percentage both overall and from deep rise dramatically when they are playing with Jokic.

Team him up in the 90s with Pippen, a couple of decent shooters and a slashers like Pippen and PFs of the ilk of Grant and Rodman, and the domination would be laughable.

You and I both know Pip was not a top 30 player in the league with his offense alone. For some fugging reason, this fugging board puts so much emphasis on offense. Very little on defense. Pip could guard 1-4.

[Robceltsfan]

Are we talking about the same Pippen that shot 31 percent in 91, 20 percent in 92, 24 percent in 93. He did not improve his 3 point shooting. Until,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you guessed it. Until they moved the line in.

I call bullshit.

Think through everything you are saying here DaStars. Pippen is pretty much universally considered a top 30 player in NBA history, give or take. He is the best SF from the 90s and certainly a top 6-8 player for the entire decade. And yet, on a comparative basis to top SFs today, his offense is crap. That isn't because he was a crappy player, obviously. It is because the average player is so much better today than they were in the 90s.

I think Madnesssss has a great case actually. If you take today's Jokic, and plunk him in the 90s with Pippen and an well above PF that the Bulls always had on their title winning teams and solid role players, they absolutely steam roll that decade. Jokic dwarfs anyone from the 90s on the offensive side of the ball, including Jordan. And as has been proven multiple times, a well above average defender who makes everyone around him meaningfully better.

The Nuggets supporting cast is weak EXCEPT WHEN JOKIC is on the floor. The data is irrefutable. His incredible passing ability and the fact you have to guard him from 30 feet out means he creates much easier shots for his teammates than they otherwise would get in a more 'typical' environment. This has been proven over and over again as guys shooting percentage both overall and from deep rise dramatically when they are playing with Jokic.

Team him up in the 90s with Pippen, a couple of decent shooters and a slashers like Pippen and PFs of the ilk of Grant and Rodman, and the domination would be laughable.

You and I both know Pip was not a top 30 player in the league with his offense alone. For some fugging reason, this fugging board puts so much emphasis on offense. Very little on defense. Pip could guard 1-4.

Despite playing alongside the most shot-dominant player of all-time (outside of Wilt Chamberlain) Pippen was top 20 in PPG 4 times including 8th in the NBA in 93-94 when MJ was whiffing at curveballs.

Pip was also the "point forward" for those great Bulls teams. Six separate seasons he was top 20 in assists.

Scottie was at worst a top-15 offensive player in the 90's.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Are we talking about the same Pippen that shot 31 percent in 91, 20 percent in 92, 24 percent in 93. He did not improve his 3 point shooting. Until,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you guessed it. Until they moved the line in.

I call bullshit.

Think through everything you are saying here DaStars. Pippen is pretty much universally considered a top 30 player in NBA history, give or take. He is the best SF from the 90s and certainly a top 6-8 player for the entire decade. And yet, on a comparative basis to top SFs today, his offense is crap. That isn't because he was a crappy player, obviously. It is because the average player is so much better today than they were in the 90s.

I think Madnesssss has a great case actually. If you take today's Jokic, and plunk him in the 90s with Pippen and an well above PF that the Bulls always had on their title winning teams and solid role players, they absolutely steam roll that decade. Jokic dwarfs anyone from the 90s on the offensive side of the ball, including Jordan. And as has been proven multiple times, a well above average defender who makes everyone around him meaningfully better.

The Nuggets supporting cast is weak EXCEPT WHEN JOKIC is on the floor. The data is irrefutable. His incredible passing ability and the fact you have to guard him from 30 feet out means he creates much easier shots for his teammates than they otherwise would get in a more 'typical' environment. This has been proven over and over again as guys shooting percentage both overall and from deep rise dramatically when they are playing with Jokic.

Team him up in the 90s with Pippen, a couple of decent shooters and a slashers like Pippen and PFs of the ilk of Grant and Rodman, and the domination would be laughable.

You and I both know Pip was not a top 30 player in the league with his offense alone. For some fugging reason, this fugging board puts so much emphasis on offense. Very little on defense. Pip could guard 1-4.

So what? It doesn't change the point. It actually makes it stronger. Era adjusted, Pippen is miles better than anyone not named Jokic on the Denver roster. It isn't even debatable. Era adjusted Grant and Rodman dwarf the Nuggets PFs and so on and so forth. Just pulling out today's production (especially when it is inflated simply because of Jokic) and then saying Jokic had a better supporting cast is the stuff of absolute morons.