Does anyone remember when this was still a debate?

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Lol

[LNS]

Turns out you aren't a moron and don't have an absurd amount of cognitive bias. Others always aren't so fortunate.

I'd say you are a moron and prove it every time you post in any modern NBA discussion, you side with the current thing because you're a simp to modern pop culture.

You and your phony, self righteous opinions can eat a bag of dicks, take note that I value you alot less than you could ever dream of me, bitchboy.

You always sound angry.

I tried reading his post in a happy-go-lucky tone of voice and it still came out very angry sounding.

[Sudanese Sensation]

This escalated quickly.

[thedangerouskitchen]

I can't think of a situation where I would ever bypass Lebron for Kobe.

Turns out you aren't a moron and don't have an absurd amount of cognitive bias. Others always aren't so fortunate.

I'd say you are a moron and prove it every time you post in any modern NBA discussion, you side with the current thing because you're a simp to modern pop culture.

You and your phony, self righteous opinions can eat a bag of dicks, take note that I value you alot less than you could ever dream of me, bitchboy.

Grizz is a hypocrite who operates on double-standards and cherry-picked "stats" (on a player-by-player basis), instead of ranking/evaluating all players equally using the same consistent criteria. For instance, he thinks Bill Russell is the GOAT based solely on Defense YET when he drools over LeBron or Joker then Defense doesn't matter.

This is just one example of his complete lack of self awareness... or perhaps he realizes his hypocrisy but thinks we're all too dumb to notice? Either way he's the last person on this board who should be throwing stones at other posters when it comes to elavuating players.

LeFraud is a HIGHLY flawed player with DOZENS of black-eyes and failures on his resume. Nothing will change that fact. Dude couldn't lead his #1 seeded/60+ win teams past lower seeds two (2) years running, so he cried like a little girl about not wanting to be "the man" every night before running like a coward to form a Super Team with 2 other Top 15 players in the league at the time... that ALONE disqualifies him from GOAT discussion.

But But But... "check the stats".

[xer0]

Turns out you aren't a moron and don't have an absurd amount of cognitive bias. Others always aren't so fortunate.

I'd say you are a moron and prove it every time you post in any modern NBA discussion, you side with the current thing because you're a simp to modern pop culture.

You and your phony, self righteous opinions can eat a bag of dicks, take note that I value you alot less than you could ever dream of me, bitchboy.

You always sound angry.

This is anger general so I'm in the right place right?

Now answer me this, why do LeChoke fans get so angry that the bulk of people who know basketball do not share your views that your boyfriend is some basketball 'goat' and why do you guys have to tear down a legend (Jordan) in the process to prop up your detestable hero?

[wailuaFC]

It's never was a real debate, Kobe Bryant is a much better basketball player than LeBron.

If I have one (1) game to win I'm taking Kobe all day, every day. Kobe lived for "the moment". He craved the opportunity to be "the man" every single night whereas LeFraud prefers to defer to his teammates.

Also, ANY edge (if there even is one) that LeFruad might have on Offense is more than offset by Kobe's superior Defense... and ain't it funny that Defense never seems to matter when it comes to LeFraud.

Wonder why...

In that situation, I think a lot of people are taking Kobe. One shot, absolutely.

They’d be wrong. On game tying or game winning shots with one minute or less in the 4th quarter, LeBron is 56 of 124 (45%) while Kobe was 30 of 96 (31%)

[Sudanese Sensation]

This thread is peak anger general.

[thedangerouskitchen]

1 minute remaining in the games does not always = the last shot.

Buzzer beater/game-winning shots favor Kobe (8) over LeFraud (7, the last one coming waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in 2018). Jordan, of course, is the all-time leader with 9.

[Sudanese Sensation]

This thread has thread of the year if not thread of the millennium potential.

[thedangerouskitchen]

This thread has thread of the year if not thread of the millennium potential.

It has the potential IF the Kobe Kids actually defended their hero INSTEAD of gutlessly turning their backs on him for the SOLE purpose of slobbering over LeBron, in an effort to try and troll Bulls/Jordan fans.

Put another way, these Kobe Kids are proving ITT that they have no spine (which will limit the number of posts overall, and thus, prevent any TOTY honors).

[Odogg]

5 >>> 4

Kobe was better in 2006, lol at these Tots.

[elmouse03]

[xer0]

It's really pathetic seeing the same faces that hated lebron with a passion slurp LeBallsack just because he joined their team, he's setting them back and they turn a blind eye bc they are delusional enough to think they have a chance of winning a title with LeDone.

Clowns like Shill Jackson use to call him LeHGH now think he's the greatest, it's comical watching these pathetic little cretins squirm around parading their laughably childish fandom.

[Deez]

If I have one (1) game to win I'm taking Kobe all day, every day. Kobe lived for "the moment". He craved the opportunity to be "the man" every single night whereas LeFraud prefers to defer to his teammates.

Also, ANY edge (if there even is one) that LeFruad might have on Offense is more than offset by Kobe's superior Defense... and ain't it funny that Defense never seems to matter when it comes to LeFraud.

Wonder why...

In that situation, I think a lot of people are taking Kobe. One shot, absolutely.

They’d be wrong. On game tying or game winning shots with one minute or less in the 4th quarter, LeBron is 56 of 124 (45%) while Kobe was 30 of 96 (31%)

Likely a reason or excuse to those numbers. Hush usually has some bullshit excuse for Lebron when his aren’t as good as a certain players. Like LeBron being a below 40% shooter outside of 3 feet. He will have some crazy ass made up excuse as to why it’s so difficult for him.

[thedangerouskitchen]

In that situation, I think a lot of people are taking Kobe. One shot, absolutely.

They’d be wrong. On game tying or game winning shots with one minute or less in the 4th quarter, LeBron is 56 of 124 (45%) while Kobe was 30 of 96 (31%)

Likely a reason or excuse to those numbers. Hush usually has some bullshit excuse for Lebron when his aren’t as good as a certain players. Like LeBron being a below 40% shooter outside of 3 feet. He will have some crazy ass made up excuse as to why it’s so difficult for him.

38% during the regular season... 36% in the Playoffs.

Dude has soooo many flaws it's impossible to call him the GOAT. No troll.

[wailuaFC]

In that situation, I think a lot of people are taking Kobe. One shot, absolutely.

They’d be wrong. On game tying or game winning shots with one minute or less in the 4th quarter, LeBron is 56 of 124 (45%) while Kobe was 30 of 96 (31%)

Likely a reason or excuse to those numbers. Hush usually has some bullshit excuse for Lebron when his aren’t as good as a certain players. Like LeBron being a below 40% shooter outside of 3 feet. He will have some crazy ass made up excuse as to why it’s so difficult for him.

Feel free to find it. Not only has LeBron made nearly twice as many as Kobe, he did it on a much higher percent.

[Bush4Ever.]

Feel free to find it. Not only has LeBron made nearly twice as many as Kobe, he did it on a much higher percent.

Don't bother. I've been down this road with both of them on this exact point.

I got them argued down to them claiming field goals attempted and field goals made (within certain game situations) are "advanced analytics".

[LeBronMonsterDunk]

This thread is a great microcosm of the intellectual capacity of the various types of NBA fans

[Bush4Ever.]

Likely a reason or excuse to those numbers. Hush usually has some bullshit excuse for Lebron when his aren’t as good as a certain players. Like LeBron being a below 40% shooter outside of 3 feet. He will have some crazy ass made up excuse as to why it’s so difficult for him.

What is there to say on that?

1. Lebron isn't a sharpshooter and is not a good midrange shooter (although no, not disastrous, probably average or slightly below, in a similar place to Jordan's standing on threes).

2. Lebron shoots an abnormal amount of threes (a lower-percentage shot) relative to higher percentage (but not automatically *optimal* in terms of point per shot) shorter midrange shots. More threes in the denominator pulls down the total percentage downward. It's why Steph Curry has hovered in the mid-high 40s for FG percentage during his career, despite being the best shooter ever.

[Bush4Ever.]

I was actually curious about how Lebron's midrange percentages compared to the league during that time, so I'll looked year-by-year in and around his prime (I'll top and bottom it 2009 through 2020) in order to double-check and test my perception of Lebron's midrange performance. All stats via BR.

2009:
Lebron shoots 45, 29, and 39 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 41, 40, 41 percent, respectively
Result: +4, -11, -2
Total (not weighted by attempts): -9

2010:
Lebron shoots 47, 34, and 40 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 42, 40, 40 percent, respectively
Result: +7, -6, +0
Total (not weighted by attempts): +1
Running Total: -8

2011:
Lebron shoots 46, 44, and 45 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 39, 40, 40 percent, respectively
Result: +7, +4, +5
Total (not weighted by attempts): +16
Running Total: +8

2012:
Lebron shoots 48, 48, and 38 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 38, 39, 39 percent, respectively
Result: +10, +9, -1
Total (not weighted by attempts): +18
Running Total: +26

2013:
Lebron shoots 49, 42, and 45 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 38, 40, 39 percent, respectively
Result: +11, +2, +6
Total (not weighted by attempts): +19
Running Total: +45

2014:
Lebron shoots 55, 40, and 37 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 39, 40, 40 percent, respectively
Result: +16, +0, -3
Total (not weighted by attempts): +13
Running Total: +58

2015:
Lebron shoots 41, 36, and 38 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 38, 40, 39 percent, respectively
Result: +3, -4, -1
Total (not weighted by attempts): -2
Running Total: +56

2016:
Lebron shoots 36, 35, and 40 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 40, 40, 40 percent, respectively
Result: -4, -5, +0
Total (not weighted by attempts): -9
Running Total: +47

2017:
Lebron shoots 39, 44, and 31 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 41, 41, 40 percent, respectively
Result: -2, +3, -9
Total (not weighted by attempts): -8
Running Total: +39

2018:
Lebron shoots 38, 42, and 37 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 39, 42, 40 percent, respectively
Result: -1, +0, -3
Total (not weighted by attempts): -4
Running Total: +35

2019:
Lebron shoots 42, 45, and 34 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 40, 41, 40 percent, respectively
Result: +2, +4, -6
Total (not weighted by attempts): +0
Running Total: +35

2020:
Lebron shoots 34, 34, and 35 percent from 3-10, 10-16, and 16-3, respectively
The league averages that year were 40, 42, 40 percent, respectively
Result: -6, -8, -5
Total (not weighted by attempts): -19
Running Total: +16

So in total a +16. Obviously, this is unweighted by attempts (within distance and across years) and different across the distances. Doing quick mental math on the specific distances:

3-10: +47
10-16: -12
16-3: -19

This is across 12 years. So roughly a +4, -1, -2 per year at those selected distances.

Fairly better at 3-10. Slightly below-average at 10-16 and 16-3pt. Pretty much as expected. Note that Lebron has only taken 28 percent of his shots in that 10-3pt range during his career, a good chunk of which has taken place during the analytics movement (or whatever you want to call it).