Da haters gettin real nervous

[ElJorge]

If that happens there is no other justifiable explanation other than to conclude the leaguie today is weak as hell.

Uhhh yes… there is. If his shot starts falling and his defense improves, and he becomes a valuable 3 & D player, you’re saying the ONLY explanation is that the era is weak??

You’re setting up a very strange caveat for a player potentially improving. But FWIW I don’t think he’ll amount to anything more than a garbage time player.

Why do you have such a weird hard-on for hating on the modern league? The parity today is fantastic and it’s fun watching teams set all kinds of scoring records. I’m not much younger than you (I’m 43) and I don’t think “men were tougher back in my day” or whatever you go on about.

[thedangerouskitchen]

That you don't get how illogical and stupid that statement is boggles my mind. Eight year olds have more capacity for logic than you.

There is nothing illogical about it, meatball. Literally every scout/analyst said LeBronny is garbage, and doesn't belong anywhere near an NBA roster... so if he should suddenly become an impact player in the league your dumb ass thinks it's more logical to assume that literally every scout and analyst got it wrong, even when the league itself (and many current players/coaches) have already gone on record admitting that today's Era is weak and soft?

Sorry meatball but TDK is right: If Bust-)ut Bronny becomes an impact player in THIS era, it'll absolutely confirm that this era is weak AF.

Now get mad.

I could point out all the logical fallacies in that take, but why waste my time. You're too stupid to understand.

There's only two (2) viable conclusions to draw IF LeBronny becomes an impact player... either every single NBA scout/analyst was wrong OR the league is weak.

That you would choose "A" is why you're a meatball.

[thedangerouskitchen]

If that happens there is no other justifiable explanation other than to conclude the leaguie today is weak as hell.

Uhhh yes… there is. If his shot starts falling and his defense improves, and he becomes a valuable 3 & D player, you’re saying the ONLY explanation is that the era is weak??

You’re setting up a very strange caveat for a player potentially improving. But FWIW I don’t think he’ll amount to anything more than a garbage time player.

Why do you have such a weird hard-on for hating on the modern league? The parity today is fantastic and it’s fun watching teams set all kinds of scoring records. I’m not much younger than you (I’m 43) and I don’t think “men were tougher back in my day” or whatever you go on about.

No... as I've said numerous times, there's 2 options: Either the league is weak, or literally every NBA scout/analyst is wrong... and considering you yourself agree with the scouts/analysts, that leaves only one other option.

[ElJorge]

No... as I've said numerous times, there's 2 options: Either the league is weak, or literally every NBA scout/analyst is wrong... and considering you yourself agree with the scouts/analysts, that leaves only one other option.

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

[wailuaFC]

Just throwing it out there, bronny was a McDonald’s all American and projected lottery pick before having a heart attack. I get the cries for nepotism based on stats, but Tyler smith was a first round pick with worse stats than bronny, and didn’t have a literal heart attack in college, and not a word is whispered about him.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

No... as I've said numerous times, there's 2 options: Either the league is weak, or literally every NBA scout/analyst is wrong... and considering you yourself agree with the scouts/analysts, that leaves only one other option.

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

Nikola Jokic is arguably the greatest offensive center of all time. You can make that case between his efficiency, range, versatility and incredible passing. Yet he was picked deep in the second round. That's exactly the type of scenario you are talking about. No one forecast how he would develop, or he would have gone first overall.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Ben Wallace went undrafted. He's in the HOF.

[ElJorge]

No... as I've said numerous times, there's 2 options: Either the league is weak, or literally every NBA scout/analyst is wrong... and considering you yourself agree with the scouts/analysts, that leaves only one other option.

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

Nikola Jokic is arguably the greatest offensive center of all time. You can make that case between his efficiency, range, versatility and incredible passing. Yet he was picked deep in the second round. That's exactly the type of scenario you are talking about. No one forecast how he would develop, or he would have gone first overall.

Yea pretty much. It’s weird how tdk just refuses to accept that the game has improved. It’s not some knock on the 90s. It doesn’t mean that men nowadays are tougher or better. It doesn’t make tdk less of a manly man or whatever the hell. MJ is still widely considered the GOAT. It just means that the NBA has improved… most sports improve over time. This isn’t some groundbreaking revelation.

[thedangerouskitchen]

No... as I've said numerous times, there's 2 options: Either the league is weak, or literally every NBA scout/analyst is wrong... and considering you yourself agree with the scouts/analysts, that leaves only one other option.

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

Again... we're not talking about a guy drafted in the late 2nd round who develops into a servicable NBA role-player. We're talking about a guy who literally everyone agrees has no busines being in the NBA he's that bad... if THAT GUY develops into an impact player then yes, the league is weak.

[ElJorge]

No... as I've said numerous times, there's 2 options: Either the league is weak, or literally every NBA scout/analyst is wrong... and considering you yourself agree with the scouts/analysts, that leaves only one other option.

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

Again... we're not talking about a guy drafted in the late 2nd round who develops into a servicable NBA role-player. We're talking about a guy who literally everyone agrees has no busines being in the NBA he's that bad... if THAT GUY develops into an impact player then yes, the league is weak.

Nope… you can’t make a ridiculous claim like that and expect to be taken seriously.

In fact… you don’t even WATCH the current NBA. You’re literally the LEAST INFORMED person here when it comes to modern bball. Like I already said… try actually watching the game.

By your “logic” if Bronny becomes one of the worst NBA players ever then it must mean the modern era is the BEST ever

[thedangerouskitchen]

No... as I've said numerous times, there's 2 options: Either the league is weak, or literally every NBA scout/analyst is wrong... and considering you yourself agree with the scouts/analysts, that leaves only one other option.

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

Nikola Jokic is arguably the greatest offensive center of all time. You can make that case between his efficiency, range, versatility and incredible passing. Yet he was picked deep in the second round. That's exactly the type of scenario you are talking about. No one forecast how he would develop, or he would have gone first overall.

Did literally every NBA scout and analyst state that Jokic had no buisiness playing in the NBA? No they didn't. He got high praise for his shooting and playmaking. The only knock on Joker was his lack of athleticism.

LeBronny was universally considered a certifiable bust. Big difference.

Next...

[ElJorge]

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

Nikola Jokic is arguably the greatest offensive center of all time. You can make that case between his efficiency, range, versatility and incredible passing. Yet he was picked deep in the second round. That's exactly the type of scenario you are talking about. No one forecast how he would develop, or he would have gone first overall.

Did literally every NBA scout and analyst state that Jokic had no buisiness playing in the NBA? No they didn't. He got high praise for his shooting and playmaking. The only knock on Joker was his lack of athleticism.

LeBronny was universally considered a certifiable bust. Big difference.

Next...

They were calling him a “system player”. He IS the system instead. Three time MVP. Champion and FMVP. No one predicted he’d be this off the charts good.

Jokic's upside isn't too spectacular because he's a below-average athlete, so he'll have to focus on utilizing his skill set and operating as an efficient shooter and passer within a system.

Scouts are typically knowledgeable and have great insight, but they’re not the end-all be-all.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

Nikola Jokic is arguably the greatest offensive center of all time. You can make that case between his efficiency, range, versatility and incredible passing. Yet he was picked deep in the second round. That's exactly the type of scenario you are talking about. No one forecast how he would develop, or he would have gone first overall.

Did literally every NBA scout and analyst state that Jokic had no buisiness playing in the NBA? No they didn't. He got high praise for his shooting and playmaking. The only knock on Joker was his lack of athleticism.

LeBronny was universally considered a certifiable bust. Big difference.

Next...

He was a McDonald's all American and like wailuaFC said, considered a potential lottery pick before his heart attack.

But that's neither her nor there. You keep making the same logical fallacies (with appeal to authority being the most obvious ) post after post without realizing it. You're stupid.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Uhhh no. Again… you’re appealing to authority badly. There are things called “anomalies”. Sometimes someone will buck the trend and defy the odds. Me agreeing with the scouts doesn’t mean that we’re all correct and if we’re not then it MUST mean that the ENTIRE LEAGUE is bad. You THINK there are only two options… but that’s 100% incorrect. Try actually watching the game.

Again... we're not talking about a guy drafted in the late 2nd round who develops into a servicable NBA role-player. We're talking about a guy who literally everyone agrees has no busines being in the NBA he's that bad... if THAT GUY develops into an impact player then yes, the league is weak.

Nope… you can’t make a ridiculous claim like that and expect to be taken seriously.

In fact… you don’t even WATCH the current NBA. You’re literally the LEAST INFORMED person here when it comes to modern bball. Like I already said… try actually watching the game.

By your “logic” if Bronny becomes one of the worst NBA players ever then it must mean the modern era is the BEST ever

Wrong... that logic only makes sense if literally every scout/analyst/NBA franchise projected him to be a superstar and THEN he became a certifiable bust. In this case the opposite is true... and if that certifiable bust suddenly becomes an impact player then either the league is weak or a miracle happened.

Do you believe in miracles?

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

John Starks went undrafted. He wasn't all that good frankly, but was considered one of the better guards of the nineties. Too funny.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Nikola Jokic is arguably the greatest offensive center of all time. You can make that case between his efficiency, range, versatility and incredible passing. Yet he was picked deep in the second round. That's exactly the type of scenario you are talking about. No one forecast how he would develop, or he would have gone first overall.

Did literally every NBA scout and analyst state that Jokic had no buisiness playing in the NBA? No they didn't. He got high praise for his shooting and playmaking. The only knock on Joker was his lack of athleticism.

LeBronny was universally considered a certifiable bust. Big difference.

Next...

He was a McDonald's all American

Who NO TEAM wanted because he is universally regarded as a player better suited for the WNBA than the NBA.

Next...

[ElJorge]

Again... we're not talking about a guy drafted in the late 2nd round who develops into a servicable NBA role-player. We're talking about a guy who literally everyone agrees has no busines being in the NBA he's that bad... if THAT GUY develops into an impact player then yes, the league is weak.

Nope… you can’t make a ridiculous claim like that and expect to be taken seriously.

In fact… you don’t even WATCH the current NBA. You’re literally the LEAST INFORMED person here when it comes to modern bball. Like I already said… try actually watching the game.

By your “logic” if Bronny becomes one of the worst NBA players ever then it must mean the modern era is the BEST ever

Wrong... that logic only makes sense if literally every scout/analyst/NBA franchise projected him to be a superstar and THEN he became a certifiable bust. In this case the opposite is true... and if that certifiable bust suddenly becomes an impact player then either the league is weak or a miracle happened.

Do you believe in miracles?

I’ve already said that I think he’ll be a “garbage time player”. If in like 2-3 years he somehow develops into a very serviceable rotation player then I’d be pleased. If he becomes All Star level I’ll be blown away. But regardless of where his career ends up I’m not gonna use that as a barometer for where the league is at. It’s a team sport but it’s still up to the players as individuals to deliver or not. I know the Bulls being subpar probably doesn’t make you wanna watch the NBA right now, but randomly pick some games sometime and give it a shot. The ball movement is better, the shooting is better, the ball handling is better… only thing worse is the post play IMO. But the game has moved away from dumping the ball off to your big man and letting him go to work.

[thedangerouskitchen]

John Starks went undrafted. He wasn't all that good frankly, but was considered one of the better guards of the nineties. Too funny.

John Starks averaged 14/3/4 during the 90's... the only folks who considered him "one of the better Guards in the 90's" were other meatballs like you. To the rest of us he was a solid role-player.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

John Starks went undrafted. He wasn't all that good frankly, but was considered one of the better guards of the nineties. Too funny.

John Starks averaged 14/3/4 during the 90's... the only folks who considered him "one of the better Guards in the 90's" were other meatballs like you. To the rest of us he was a solid role-player.

He made an all star game, an all defensive team and won a sixth man of the year award.

In 94, he was an all star, the 2nd leading scorer on a Knicks team that won 57. He was a big part of the Knicks when they were the "challengers" (lol) to the Bulls in the 90s.

Could he make a roster in today's NBA? Probably, but he sure as hell isn't sniffing an all star game and is only a rotation player on a weak team.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Nope… you can’t make a ridiculous claim like that and expect to be taken seriously.

In fact… you don’t even WATCH the current NBA. You’re literally the LEAST INFORMED person here when it comes to modern bball. Like I already said… try actually watching the game.

By your “logic” if Bronny becomes one of the worst NBA players ever then it must mean the modern era is the BEST ever

Wrong... that logic only makes sense if literally every scout/analyst/NBA franchise projected him to be a superstar and THEN he became a certifiable bust. In this case the opposite is true... and if that certifiable bust suddenly becomes an impact player then either the league is weak or a miracle happened.

Do you believe in miracles?

I’ve already said that I think he’ll be a “garbage time player”. If in like 2-3 years he somehow develops into a very serviceable rotation player then I’d be pleased. If he becomes All Star level I’ll be blown away. But regardless of where his career ends up I’m not gonna use that as a barometer for where the league is at. It’s a team sport but it’s still up to the players as individuals to deliver or not. I know the Bulls being subpar probably doesn’t make you wanna watch the NBA right now, but randomly pick some games sometime and give it a shot. The ball movement is better, the shooting is better, the ball handling is better… only thing worse is the post play IMO. But the game has moved away from dumping the ball off to your big man and letting him go to work.

Fancy dribbling and (slightly) better shooting overall does not, IMO, make up for today's weak/soft Defense and predictable Offenses that take 40% of the shots from long-range (while missing said shots 65% of the time on average). Plus there are no true rivalries in the sport today because the players bounce around from team-to0-team so often, and are more interested in being buddy-buddy than winning at all costs.

Relative to the 80's/90's this Modern Era is boring and anticlimactic.