Talk to me about the 2016-17 Golden State Warriors

[thedangerouskitchen]

Best team I've had the pleasure of witnessing. Really no weaknesses.

^^^^ Sucks Bill Russell's stick THEN claims a team that allows 115-PPG in the Finals has no weakness. ^^^

He has been exposed as a troll and tries to call other posters out for the same. He is on record as saying AI wasn't a winning type but has used an older AI for an argument that Melo had help with him.
I think Grizz iz on some shizz.

Truth... ^^^

[thedangerouskitchen]

The NBA said it would open up the lanes so it's maybe some of both. Players like MJ, Drexler, Nique are just as explosive as these players.

Also it probably would prolong players careers like maybe Penny, Grant Hill, TMac, etc.

For sure there were great explosive players who could drive in prior eras. MJ is the greatest of all time at driving the lane. There are just far more of them at one time now.

I think it's maybe the same but now you can freak out thru the lane, back then you may meet the floor. Those players back then were more fundamentally sound also.

Grizz places no value on Defense / protecting the rim unless the subject is Bill Russell.

[vcsgrizzfan]

The NBA said it would open up the lanes so it's maybe some of both. Players like MJ, Drexler, Nique are just as explosive as these players.

Also it probably would prolong players careers like maybe Penny, Grant Hill, TMac, etc.

For sure there were great explosive players who could drive in prior eras. MJ is the greatest of all time at driving the lane. There are just far more of them at one time now.

I think it's maybe the same but now you can freak out thru the lane, back then you may meet the floor. Those players back then were more fundamentally sound also.

No it's not the same. Guys like MJ and Drexler stuck out because there weren't many wings with the combination of handles, deceptiveness, explosiveness etc to slash effectively. Do rules make it easier now? Of course, but there are far more players with the raw talent to make it work now than ever before. A lot of the current crop also can shoot the 3 for around 40% which means you have to play them tight from 28 feet out which makes it that much easier for them to put the rock on the floor and drive the lane.

[Smelters]

For sure there were great explosive players who could drive in prior eras. MJ is the greatest of all time at driving the lane. There are just far more of them at one time now.

I think it's maybe the same but now you can freak out thru the lane, back then you may meet the floor. Those players back then were more fundamentally sound also.

No it's not the same. Guys like MJ and Drexler stuck out because there weren't many wings with the combination of handles, deceptiveness, explosiveness etc to slash effectively. Do rules make it easier now? Of course, but there are far more players with the raw talent to make it work now than ever before. A lot of the current crop also can shoot the 3 for around 40% which means you have to play them tight from 28 feet out which makes it that much easier for them to put the rock on the floor and drive the lane.

You have quite a few players who get near triple doubles nowadays even EPayton on the Magic. Guys like Kevin Johnson would eat even more now.

With the game going to the 3, you have guys who have adjusted and become better 3 shooters right before our eyes. KLeonard and MGasol come to mind.

Maybe more raw talent but way less skill.

Steph almost averaged a triple dub in the finals. So I think the players from then would probably put up some crazy numbers also.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I think it's maybe the same but now you can freak out thru the lane, back then you may meet the floor. Those players back then were more fundamentally sound also.

No it's not the same. Guys like MJ and Drexler stuck out because there weren't many wings with the combination of handles, deceptiveness, explosiveness etc to slash effectively. Do rules make it easier now? Of course, but there are far more players with the raw talent to make it work now than ever before. A lot of the current crop also can shoot the 3 for around 40% which means you have to play them tight from 28 feet out which makes it that much easier for them to put the rock on the floor and drive the lane.

You have quite a few players who get near triple doubles nowadays even EPayton on the Magic. Guys like Kevin Johnson would eat even more now.

With the game going to the 3, you have guys who have adjusted and become better 3 shooters right before our eyes. KLeonard and MGasol come to mind.

Maybe more raw talent but way less skill.

Steph almost averaged a triple dub in the finals. So I think the players from then would probably put up some crazy numbers also.

Less skill? Are you kidding me?

[Smelters]

No it's not the same. Guys like MJ and Drexler stuck out because there weren't many wings with the combination of handles, deceptiveness, explosiveness etc to slash effectively. Do rules make it easier now? Of course, but there are far more players with the raw talent to make it work now than ever before. A lot of the current crop also can shoot the 3 for around 40% which means you have to play them tight from 28 feet out which makes it that much easier for them to put the rock on the floor and drive the lane.

You have quite a few players who get near triple doubles nowadays even EPayton on the Magic. Guys like Kevin Johnson would eat even more now.

With the game going to the 3, you have guys who have adjusted and become better 3 shooters right before our eyes. KLeonard and MGasol come to mind.

Maybe more raw talent but way less skill.

Steph almost averaged a triple dub in the finals. So I think the players from then would probably put up some crazy numbers also.

Less skill? Are you kidding me?

Yes less skill. Why should they work on skills when it's easy to move around the court and get to the basket?

[vcsgrizzfan]

You have quite a few players who get near triple doubles nowadays even EPayton on the Magic. Guys like Kevin Johnson would eat even more now.

With the game going to the 3, you have guys who have adjusted and become better 3 shooters right before our eyes. KLeonard and MGasol come to mind.

Maybe more raw talent but way less skill.

Steph almost averaged a triple dub in the finals. So I think the players from then would probably put up some crazy numbers also.

Less skill? Are you kidding me?

Yes less skill. Why should they work on skills when it's easy to move around the court and get to the basket?

What does that even mean? Average handles are better than ever, shooting is better than ever, especially from deep, ball movement is better than ever "on average" etc... There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

[Smelters]

Less skill? Are you kidding me?

Yes less skill. Why should they work on skills when it's easy to move around the court and get to the basket?

What does that even mean? Average handles are better than ever, shooting is better than ever, especially from deep, ball movement is better than ever "on average" etc... There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

You say that but gave examples where you think the skill level has improved.
What's it's gonna be, Clevey?

Marl Price, Jeff Hornacek, Chris Mullin, Dale Ellis say hi from 3

Isiah, Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, etc say hi from the ankle hurting club.

It's just now you have more space and less contact. Perfect way to show off one's offensive skills.

[vcsgrizzfan]

Yes less skill. Why should they work on skills when it's easy to move around the court and get to the basket?

What does that even mean? Average handles are better than ever, shooting is better than ever, especially from deep, ball movement is better than ever "on average" etc... There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

You say that but gave examples where you think the skill level has improved.
What's it's gonna be, Clevey?

Marl Price, Jeff Hornacek, Chris Mullin, Dale Ellis say hi from 3

Isiah, Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, etc say hi from the ankle hurting club.

It's just now you have more space and less contact. Perfect way to show off one's offensive skills.

I gave specific skills, not jibberish. It's a fact, not speculation that 3 point shooting has improved. Even FT % has improved. It's a fact that there has never been better 3 point shooting. It's not provable with data, but you have to be brain dead to not believe the "average" handles aren't better than ever.

You made a baseless claim that skills had declined. I called you on that and now you're deflecting.

You always talk out of your ass and then deflect or backpedal.

[Smelters]

What does that even mean? Average handles are better than ever, shooting is better than ever, especially from deep, ball movement is better than ever "on average" etc... There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

You say that but gave examples where you think the skill level has improved.
What's it's gonna be, Clevey?

Marl Price, Jeff Hornacek, Chris Mullin, Dale Ellis say hi from 3

Isiah, Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, etc say hi from the ankle hurting club.

It's just now you have more space and less contact. Perfect way to show off one's offensive skills.

I gave specific skills, not jibberish. It's a fact, not speculation that 3 point shooting has improved. Even FT % has improved. It's a fact that there has never been better 3 point shooting. It's not provable with data, but you have to be brain dead to not believe the "average" handles aren't better than ever.

You made a baseless claim that skills had declined. I called you on that and now you're deflecting.

You always talk out of your ass and then deflect or backpedal.

Stop dude. I gave you examples also. It's players in the game now that have no concept of a midrange game or even have a post up game.

That is why I said earlier to you that it can be a little bit of both. You are trying to win an argument that is hard to win. I'm just trying to wake you up.

They actually used bigs back then so they got to go to the line. Nowadays you have perimeter players dominating the ball so things like ft% would probably be better.

The 3pt shot wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now, so there are trade offs.

[vcsgrizzfan]

There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

You say that but gave examples where you think the skill level has improved.
What's it's gonna be, Clevey?

Marl Price, Jeff Hornacek, Chris Mullin, Dale Ellis say hi from 3

Isiah, Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, etc say hi from the ankle hurting club.

It's just now you have more space and less contact. Perfect way to show off one's offensive skills.

I gave specific skills, not jibberish. It's a fact, not speculation that 3 point shooting has improved. Even FT % has improved. It's a fact that there has never been better 3 point shooting. It's not provable with data, but you have to be brain dead to not believe the "average" handles aren't better than ever.

You made a baseless claim that skills had declined. I called you on that and now you're deflecting.

You always talk out of your ass and then deflect or backpedal.

Stop dude. I gave you examples also. It's players in the game now that have no concept of a midrange game or even have a post up game.

That is why I said earlier to you that it can be a little bit of both. You are trying to win an argument that is hard to win. I'm just trying to wake you up.

They actually used bigs back then so they got to go to the line. Nowadays you have perimeter players dominating the ball so things like ft% would probably be better.

The 3pt shot wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now, so there are trade offs.

No. You gave a few players names like it proved a point. That's not how it works. Don't make baseless claims and not expect to be called on them.

You claimed skills had declined. With all due respect, that's bullshit.

[Smelters]

I gave specific skills, not jibberish. It's a fact, not speculation that 3 point shooting has improved. Even FT % has improved. It's a fact that there has never been better 3 point shooting. It's not provable with data, but you have to be brain dead to not believe the "average" handles aren't better than ever.

You made a baseless claim that skills had declined. I called you on that and now you're deflecting.

You always talk out of your ass and then deflect or backpedal.

Stop dude. I gave you examples also. It's players in the game now that have no concept of a midrange game or even have a post up game.

That is why I said earlier to you that it can be a little bit of both. You are trying to win an argument that is hard to win. I'm just trying to wake you up.

They actually used bigs back then so they got to go to the line. Nowadays you have perimeter players dominating the ball so things like ft% would probably be better.

The 3pt shot wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now, so there are trade offs.

No. You gave a few players names like it proved a point. That's not how it works. Don't make baseless claims and not expect to be called on them.

You claimed skills had declined. With all due respect, that's bullshit.

I named guys who didn't get as much as they probably would get now because the game was different. Just imagine those guys with more room to play with and way less contact.

I still think the players in the past had more skills though. I just don't want to go back and forth with your contradictory views.

[CleveTown™]

69-70 wins

tight series vs san antonio

blow out cavs in finals

durant averages 26ppg, curry 24ppg, klay 17ppg, draymond 14ppg

league mvp = kawhi leonard

finals mvp = durant

lol close

[Robceltsfan]

There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

You say that but gave examples where you think the skill level has improved.
What's it's gonna be, Clevey?

Marl Price, Jeff Hornacek, Chris Mullin, Dale Ellis say hi from 3

Isiah, Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, etc say hi from the ankle hurting club.

It's just now you have more space and less contact. Perfect way to show off one's offensive skills.

I gave specific skills, not jibberish. It's a fact, not speculation that 3 point shooting has improved. Even FT % has improved. It's a fact that there has never been better 3 point shooting. It's not provable with data, but you have to be brain dead to not believe the "average" handles aren't better than ever.

You made a baseless claim that skills had declined. I called you on that and now you're deflecting.

You always talk out of your ass and then deflect or backpedal.

Stop dude. I gave you examples also. It's players in the game now that have no concept of a midrange game or even have a post up game.

That is why I said earlier to you that it can be a little bit of both. You are trying to win an argument that is hard to win. I'm just trying to wake you up.

They actually used bigs back then so they got to go to the line. Nowadays you have perimeter players dominating the ball so things like ft% would probably be better.

The 3pt shot wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now, so there are trade offs.

Who gives a fuck? That's like saying pro football teams suck at running the wishbone in today's game. Shit is obsolete. Why shoot 45% from 18 feet when you can shoot 40% from 24 feet?

[thedangerouskitchen]

Yes less skill. Why should they work on skills when it's easy to move around the court and get to the basket?

What does that even mean? Average handles are better than ever, shooting is better than ever, especially from deep, ball movement is better than ever "on average" etc... There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

You say that but gave examples where you think the skill level has improved.
What's it's gonna be, Clevey?

Marl Price, Jeff Hornacek, Chris Mullin, Dale Ellis say hi from 3

Isiah, Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, etc say hi from the ankle hurting club.

It's just now you have more space and less contact. Perfect way to show off one's offensive skills.

Exactly... and no rim protection.

[Odogg]

67-15
16-4 more importantly

I nailed reg season and playoff wins. Never imagined at the time that they would only drop one playoff game.

[thedangerouskitchen]

There is no measurable metric where skill has declined.

You say that but gave examples where you think the skill level has improved.
What's it's gonna be, Clevey?

Marl Price, Jeff Hornacek, Chris Mullin, Dale Ellis say hi from 3

Isiah, Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, etc say hi from the ankle hurting club.

It's just now you have more space and less contact. Perfect way to show off one's offensive skills.

I gave specific skills, not jibberish. It's a fact, not speculation that 3 point shooting has improved. Even FT % has improved. It's a fact that there has never been better 3 point shooting. It's not provable with data, but you have to be brain dead to not believe the "average" handles aren't better than ever.

You made a baseless claim that skills had declined. I called you on that and now you're deflecting.

You always talk out of your ass and then deflect or backpedal.

Stop dude. I gave you examples also. It's players in the game now that have no concept of a midrange game or even have a post up game.

That is why I said earlier to you that it can be a little bit of both. You are trying to win an argument that is hard to win. I'm just trying to wake you up.

They actually used bigs back then so they got to go to the line. Nowadays you have perimeter players dominating the ball so things like ft% would probably be better.

The 3pt shot wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now, so there are trade offs.

... NOR do they play Defense anymore.

[Odogg]

69-70 wins

tight series vs san antonio

blow out cavs in finals

durant averages 26ppg, curry 24ppg, klay 17ppg, draymond 14ppg

league mvp = kawhi leonard

finals mvp = durant

lol close

Meh. Sa series was not close and Kwahi ain't getting MVP.

[Robceltsfan]

I gave specific skills, not jibberish. It's a fact, not speculation that 3 point shooting has improved. Even FT % has improved. It's a fact that there has never been better 3 point shooting. It's not provable with data, but you have to be brain dead to not believe the "average" handles aren't better than ever.

You made a baseless claim that skills had declined. I called you on that and now you're deflecting.

You always talk out of your ass and then deflect or backpedal.

Stop dude. I gave you examples also. It's players in the game now that have no concept of a midrange game or even have a post up game.

That is why I said earlier to you that it can be a little bit of both. You are trying to win an argument that is hard to win. I'm just trying to wake you up.

They actually used bigs back then so they got to go to the line. Nowadays you have perimeter players dominating the ball so things like ft% would probably be better.

The 3pt shot wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now, so there are trade offs.

... NOR do they play Defense anymore.

I get so tired of hearing this horseshit.

[Deez]

Stop dude. I gave you examples also. It's players in the game now that have no concept of a midrange game or even have a post up game.

That is why I said earlier to you that it can be a little bit of both. You are trying to win an argument that is hard to win. I'm just trying to wake you up.

They actually used bigs back then so they got to go to the line. Nowadays you have perimeter players dominating the ball so things like ft% would probably be better.

The 3pt shot wasn't as prevalent back then as it is now, so there are trade offs.

... NOR do they play Defense anymore.

I get so tired of hearing this horseshit.

that they don't play defense?