2014 Anger General Greatest of All Time #28

[876Stephen]

only problem is duncan over kobe

other than that its an ok list

Another Kobe Kid alt?

[Y2K]

only problem is duncan over kobe

other than that its an ok list

Another Kobe Kid alt?

Nope not an alt. He's a veteran Kobe Kid from ESPN. He Was on ISH for a while as well.

[Y2K]

During the famous years, Isiah had the same number of turnovers per game, even though his assists per game and shot attempts were both way down (assists more so). It's also worth pointing out that his usage percentage was virtually unchanged throughout his career. I would wager (without looking at it in depth) that the statistical differences are pace-driven more than anything.

That, in combination with his sometimes spotty-shooting (although yes, he could get red-hot and get his shot off more easily than most anyone else at PG), sort of hold him back a little bit in my eyes.

I definitely think the gap between Isiah and "the others" on those title teams was less pronounced than most lead dogs vs. their teammates.

You could even argue that Dumars became more valuable as time went on.

He was.

[876Stephen]

only problem is duncan over kobe

other than that its an ok list

Another Kobe Kid alt?

Nope not an alt. He's a veteran Kobe Kid from ESPN. He Was on ISH for a while as well.

Okay. This board was sorely lacking of Kobe Kids, so this is very good news.

[Deez]

Another Kobe Kid alt?

Nope not an alt. He's a veteran Kobe Kid from ESPN. He Was on ISH for a while as well.

Okay. This board was sorely lacking of Kobe Kids, so this is very good news.

Lol

[876Stephen]

Nope not an alt. He's a veteran Kobe Kid from ESPN. He Was on ISH for a while as well.

Okay. This board was sorely lacking of Kobe Kids, so this is very good news.

Lol

[Deez]

Okay. This board was sorely lacking of Kobe Kids, so this is very good news.

Lol

[elmouse03]

only problem is duncan over kobe

other than that its an ok list

Another Kobe Kid alt?

Nope not an alt. He's a veteran Kobe Kid from ESPN. He Was on ISH for a while as well.

Who was he on espn?

[Y2K]

Another Kobe Kid alt?

Nope not an alt. He's a veteran Kobe Kid from ESPN. He Was on ISH for a while as well.

Who was he on espn?

griffmoney

[elmouse03]

Nope not an alt. He's a veteran Kobe Kid from ESPN. He Was on ISH for a while as well.

Who was he on espn?

griffmoney

oh it's griff? Welcome to the board griff.

[Odogg]

Yeah that's what I thought but was not sure

[elmouse03]

Would Dave Cowens or Lenny Wilkens be a good player to nominate at this point?

[Y2K]

Would Dave Cowens or Lenny Wilkens be a good player to nominate at this point?

Too early.

[elmouse03]

Would Dave Cowens or Lenny Wilkens be a good player to nominate at this point?

Too early.

hmmm. Nate Thurmond? He's huge on hoopsnation.

[Titan18]

Isiah

[Kennethgriffin]

Walt Frazier -

Isiah Thomas - 9

Patrick Ewing - 4

Elvin Hayes - 2

Allen Iverson -

Kevin McHale -

John Stockton -

George Gervin -

Bob Cousy -

this list scares me

isiah should have the most votes definitely.

but after that

ewing 4 votes

and not anywhere on the possible next candidates is Willis Reed anywhere to be found

reed > ewing



1964-65 NBA Rookie of the Year
1969-70 NBA All-Star Game MVP
1969-70 NBA Finals MVP
1969-70 NBA MVP
1972-73 NBA Finals MVP
1964-65 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
1966-67 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1967-68 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1968-69 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1969-70 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1969-70 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1970-71 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
1970 New York Knicks (NBA Champions )
1973 New York Knicks (NBA Champions )

19/13/2 career average as a great defensive big

just think of all the 1st team all nba's he woulda had if not for russell/wilt/kareem being in the league... bigs today dont have to deal with 3 guys like that lol


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[Master Spade]

Isiah Thomas

[Bush4Ever]

It's very difficult to argue Willis Reed over Ewing in my opinion.

Reed had a very short career, wasn't nearly the player Ewing was at their respective peaks, doesn't have the volume statistics or individual hardware of Ewing, etc...

Quite literally the only positive aspect advantage for Reed is the 1970 ring (he was very reduced during the second ring).

[elmouse03]

Reed during his first 7 years was a beast. 20 and 14.

Last 3 he averaged 11 and 8 and was injury prone.

[Bush4Ever]

Reed was a great player for a short time, I just don't see how he rises above Ewing, unless you heavily, heavily weigh rings in the argument.

If you look at rebounding, you have to look at the percentage of rebounds the player grabbed, not just volume.

At age 28, Reed grabbed 13.7 a game, 16 percent of all possible rebounds.

At the same age, Ewing grabbed 11.2 a game, but 16.8 percent of all possible rebounds.

Ewing was clearly the superior scorer and defensive player. They were probabaly equivalent as rebounders.

Ewing won more individual hardware. Did it longer (more volume statistics), and he did it mostly during the golden age of NBA centers.

Outside of "he won two rings/Finals MVPs (one of which was not earned)", what real arguments would Reed have in that matchup?