2014 Anger General Greatest of All Time #28

[Odogg]

http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic ... ng-for-37/

HN list so far.

Better, but still a heavy Kobe Hater influence it appears.

[elmouse03]

http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic ... ng-for-37/

HN list so far.

Better, but still a heavy Kobe Hater influence it appears.

I always had Kobe in my 7-10 range but in no particular order with Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem.

Same with my 1-6 of MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem, and Russell. No order of course.

[americaninfidel]

I just lost a lot of respect for realgm after seeing that list.

Bird at 10 is the most laughable to me. Having Shaq and Lebron ahead of Magic is a close second though. I also don't think Duncan belongs ahead of Magic, Spurs' homer or not, but at least there's a more reasonable case for that. And I don't agree with Wilt that high, but I know I'm in the minority there.

[Odogg]

http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic ... ng-for-37/

HN list so far.

Better, but still a heavy Kobe Hater influence it appears.

I always had Kobe in my 7-10 range but in no particular order with Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem.

Same with my 1-6 of MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem, and Russell. No order of course.

Yeah that's a good way to look at it. Not sure what you think about this, but I think there's a strong case for Lebron over Hakeem for that last top 10 spot. Lebron obvi with more mvps, and both with the 2 rings. Both had inconsistent playoff careers, but I think overall Lebron has had more playoff success. It seems Hakeem fell off the planet from 87-93, during his prime years.

[elmouse03]

Better, but still a heavy Kobe Hater influence it appears.

I always had Kobe in my 7-10 range but in no particular order with Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem.

Same with my 1-6 of MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem, and Russell. No order of course.

Yeah that's a good way to look at it. Not sure what you think about this, but I think there's a strong case for Lebron over Hakeem for that last top 10 spot. Lebron obvi with more mvps, and both with the 2 rings. Both had inconsistent playoff careers, but I think overall Lebron has had more playoff success. It seems Hakeem fell off the planet from 87-93, during his prime years.

Huh? Hakeem's best years were from 92-93 to 96-97 under Rudy T but he wasn't horrible from 84-92. 22.9ppg 12.5rpg 3.5bpg 2spg.

[Y2K]

I always had Kobe in my 7-10 range but in no particular order with Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem.

Same with my 1-6 of MJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Kareem, and Russell. No order of course.

Yeah that's a good way to look at it. Not sure what you think about this, but I think there's a strong case for Lebron over Hakeem for that last top 10 spot. Lebron obvi with more mvps, and both with the 2 rings. Both had inconsistent playoff careers, but I think overall Lebron has had more playoff success. It seems Hakeem fell off the planet from 87-93, during his prime years.

Huh? Hakeem's best years were from 92-93 to 96-97 under Rudy T but he wasn't horrible from 84-92. 22.9ppg 12.5rpg 3.5bpg 2spg.

Exactly. His supporting cast went to shit from 1987-92, not his own performance:

2x rebounding champion
5X all-star
5X all-nba
2x block leader
4x all-defensive

[Odogg]

I meant he was a nonfactor in the playoffs during those years. Check out the Rockets playoff finishes in the link below from 87-92. 6 years in a row of either .500 ball or 1st round exits. And it was from the ages of 24-29 so certainly some of those years were part of his prime.

You say he had a crappy supporting cast - but so did Lebron in Cleveland, and Lebron was dropping 65 win seasons, consistently advancing past the first round and even made the finals one year. Sure Hakeem made the finals in 86, but that's when Sampson was still playing at an all star level beside him.

Clearly Lebron has had a stronger playoff career.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Y2K]

I meant he was a nonfactor in the playoffs during those years. Check out the Rockets playoff finishes in the link below from 87-92. 6 years in a row of either .500 ball or 1st round exits. And it was from the ages of 24-29 so certainly some of those years were part of his prime.

You say he had a crappy supporting cast - but so did Lebron in Cleveland, and Lebron was dropping 65 win seasons, consistently advancing past the first round and even made the finals one year. Sure Hakeem made the finals in 86, but that's when Sampson was still playing at an all star level beside him.

Clearly Lebron has had a stronger playoff career.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You have to take into account the circumstances.....

the Cavs built around Lebron's talent, while the Rockets did not for Hakeem. They also let Lebron fun the show, while Dumb Chaney allowed Thorpe, Maxwell and Sleepy Floyd leeway to shoot whenever and disregard actually running a real offense thru the superstar.

The Cavs two 60 win seasons featured more supporting talent than Hakeem had from 1987-90.

In 1992, they were 40-30 with Dream, 2-10 without him.

Lastly, Lebron's skillset and athletic ability in this era allows him to have more control of the outcome on the court. Dream had to depend on others to get him the ball, which lessens the impact that he can have in contrast to an impact perimeter player.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I meant he was a nonfactor in the playoffs during those years. Check out the Rockets playoff finishes in the link below from 87-92. 6 years in a row of either .500 ball or 1st round exits. And it was from the ages of 24-29 so certainly some of those years were part of his prime.

You say he had a crappy supporting cast - but so did Lebron in Cleveland, and Lebron was dropping 65 win seasons, consistently advancing past the first round and even made the finals one year. Sure Hakeem made the finals in 86, but that's when Sampson was still playing at an all star level beside him.

Clearly Lebron has had a stronger playoff career.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You have to take into account the circumstances.....

the Cavs built around Lebron's talent, while the Rockets did not for Hakeem. They also let Lebron fun the show, while Dumb Chaney allowed Thorpe, Maxwell and Sleepy Floyd leeway to shoot whenever and disregard actually running a real offense thru the superstar.

The Cavs two 60 win seasons featured more supporting talent than Hakeem had from 1987-90.

In 1992, they were 40-30 with Dream, 2-10 without him.

Lastly, Lebron's skillset and athletic ability in this era allows him to have more control of the outcome on the court. Dream had to depend on others to get him the ball, which lessens the impact that he can have in contrast to an impact perimeter player.

LeBron's last 3 years they were 1-13 in the games he missed. We also saw what happened the following season. The next best player was arguably Williams. Varajeo was quite underrated, but for the most part it was a collection of has beens, never wases and never will bes.

[Y2K]

I meant he was a nonfactor in the playoffs during those years. Check out the Rockets playoff finishes in the link below from 87-92. 6 years in a row of either .500 ball or 1st round exits. And it was from the ages of 24-29 so certainly some of those years were part of his prime.

You say he had a crappy supporting cast - but so did Lebron in Cleveland, and Lebron was dropping 65 win seasons, consistently advancing past the first round and even made the finals one year. Sure Hakeem made the finals in 86, but that's when Sampson was still playing at an all star level beside him.

Clearly Lebron has had a stronger playoff career.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You have to take into account the circumstances.....

the Cavs built around Lebron's talent, while the Rockets did not for Hakeem. They also let Lebron fun the show, while Dumb Chaney allowed Thorpe, Maxwell and Sleepy Floyd leeway to shoot whenever and disregard actually running a real offense thru the superstar.

The Cavs two 60 win seasons featured more supporting talent than Hakeem had from 1987-90.

In 1992, they were 40-30 with Dream, 2-10 without him.

Lastly, Lebron's skillset and athletic ability in this era allows him to have more control of the outcome on the court. Dream had to depend on others to get him the ball, which lessens the impact that he can have in contrast to an impact perimeter player.

LeBron's last 3 years they were 1-13 in the games he missed. We also saw what happened the following season. The next best player was arguably Williams. Varajeo was quite underrated, but for the most part it was a collection of has beens, never wases and never will bes.

You have to look at it deeper than that though. Their skillsets and roles fit around Lebron's game. They can't stand alone and have the same impact.

Hakeem Olajuwon did not have that until 1991. But Dumb Chaney did not utilize them to play off of Hakeem as Rudy T did.

[vcsgrizzfan]

You have to take into account the circumstances.....

the Cavs built around Lebron's talent, while the Rockets did not for Hakeem. They also let Lebron fun the show, while Dumb Chaney allowed Thorpe, Maxwell and Sleepy Floyd leeway to shoot whenever and disregard actually running a real offense thru the superstar.

The Cavs two 60 win seasons featured more supporting talent than Hakeem had from 1987-90.

In 1992, they were 40-30 with Dream, 2-10 without him.

Lastly, Lebron's skillset and athletic ability in this era allows him to have more control of the outcome on the court. Dream had to depend on others to get him the ball, which lessens the impact that he can have in contrast to an impact perimeter player.

LeBron's last 3 years they were 1-13 in the games he missed. We also saw what happened the following season. The next best player was arguably Williams. Varajeo was quite underrated, but for the most part it was a collection of has beens, never wases and never will bes.

You have to look at it deeper than that though. Their skillsets and roles fit around Lebron's game. They can't stand alone and have the same impact.

Hakeem Olajuwon did not have that until 1991. But Dumb Chaney did not utilize them to play off of Hakeem as Rudy T did.

With all due respect, y2ktors, that's kind of bullshit. There was no great plan. It was dumb and dumber in the Cavs front office and saying Anthony Parker, JJ Hickson, Mo Williams etc. were put together with some plan is baloney. They were winging it and LeBron was just playing that well.

I'm not denigrating Hakeem. But I do think that looking at that Cavs team and suggesting there was any real talent there is kind of baloney. How many guys from the 2010 team are even still in the league?

[Y2K]

LeBron's last 3 years they were 1-13 in the games he missed. We also saw what happened the following season. The next best player was arguably Williams. Varajeo was quite underrated, but for the most part it was a collection of has beens, never wases and never will bes.

You have to look at it deeper than that though. Their skillsets and roles fit around Lebron's game. They can't stand alone and have the same impact.

Hakeem Olajuwon did not have that until 1991. But Dumb Chaney did not utilize them to play off of Hakeem as Rudy T did.

With all due respect, y2ktors, that's kind of bullshit. There was no great plan. It was dumb and dumber in the Cavs front office and saying Anthony Parker, JJ Hickson, Mo Williams etc. were put together with some plan is baloney. They were winging it and LeBron was just playing that well.

I'm not denigrating Hakeem. But I do think that looking at that Cavs team and suggesting there was any real talent there is kind of baloney. How many guys from the 2010 team are even still in the league?

Parker and Williams could shoot, which helped spread the floor. Mo, at times, could facilitate, allowing Lebron to not always have that responsibility.

Jamison could efficiently create his own offense.

Hickson was too young and raw to be a real cobtributer.

I'm not saying that there was an abundance of talent. I'm saying that the pieces around him were out around him to suit Lebron James. Doubt That they win a title because those guys were all role players, not stars.

Shaq was supposed to be the easy offense in their half court offense but he couldn't stay healthy.

They were trying to trade for A'mare but Lebron didn't want Hickson to be a part of the deal.

[Y2K]

My vote is Patrick Ewing.

[Y2K]

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