Hoopshype GOAT list.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

1. LeBron
2. MJ
3. KAJ
4. Magic
5. Russell.

No idea what their overall criteria are? They have Chamberlain 6th. Doesn't seem all that well thought out, but it's a list.

[Robceltsfan]

KAJ and Magic simply can't be that close together. The more I think about that....the more I shy away from it.

If they are that high together on the list, then they grossly underachieved from a winning perspective. 70% of the world shits on Lebron for being 4-6 while playing with nobody anywhere near a KAJ/Magic-level player, but Magic+KAJ can combine to only go 5-3 and they're both respected in the Top 4 all-time?

Something doesn't add up with that, to me.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

KAJ and Magic simply can't be that close together. The more I think about that....the more I shy away from it.

If they are that high together on the list, then they grossly underachieved from a winning perspective. 70% of the world shits on Lebron for being 4-6 while playing with nobody anywhere near a KAJ/Magic-level player, but Magic+KAJ can combine to only go 5-3 and they're both respected in the Top 4 all-time?

Something doesn't add up with that, to me.

I agree. KAJ should be ranked a fair bit higher than Magic. I see no case for Magic top 4. The rest of the top 15 is very questionable too.

[Shill Jackson]

KAJ and Magic simply can't be that close together. The more I think about that....the more I shy away from it.

If they are that high together on the list, then they grossly underachieved from a winning perspective. 70% of the world shits on Lebron for being 4-6 while playing with nobody anywhere near a KAJ/Magic-level player, but Magic+KAJ can combine to only go 5-3 and they're both respected in the Top 4 all-time?

Something doesn't add up with that, to me.

[Robceltsfan]

All tiers are in no particular order

Tier 1 (the only arguable GOATS)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Michael Jordan
Bill Russell

Tier 2 (multi-champs with multi-MVPs but not GOATS)

Larry Bird
Tim Duncan
Magic Johnson
Stephen Curry
Wilt Chamberlain

Tier 3 (the best multi-Finals-MVPs with an MVP)

Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kevin Durant

Tier 4 (the best Champs with an MVP)

Dirk Nowitzki
Nikola Jokic
Moses Malone
Giannis Antetokounmpo

Tier 5 (the best of the rest of the MVPs, Finals or otherwise)

Kevin Garnett
Charles Barkley
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Karl Malone
Willis Reed
Jerry West

[PhutureDynasty]

I essentially agree with Rob's tiers but I would move KD into tier 4 and I think Jokic has an argument for tier 3, even without multiple rings.

[Robceltsfan]

I essentially agree with Rob's tiers but I would move KD into tier 4 and I think Jokic has an argument for tier 3, even without multiple rings.

I'm very obviously weighting a lot on winning + "best player in the league" statuses while sprinkling in a little bit of context when players on this list had the unique advantage of being teammates.

With one more title, Jokic could arguably make it to the top of tier 3/bottom of tier 2. Durant has hit his ATG ceiling.

I could also be convinced to move KG to tier 4.

[Odogg]

1. LeBron
2. MJ
3. KAJ
4. Magic
5. Russell.

No idea what their overall criteria are? They have Chamberlain 6th. Doesn't seem all that well thought out, but it's a list.

Top 5 Not that far off imo. I am ok switching spots for Magic and Russell. Lebron will lock up #1 after the 2026 Lakers ring.

[Odogg]

All tiers are in no particular order

Tier 1 (the only arguable GOATS)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Michael Jordan
Bill Russell

Tier 2 (multi-champs with multi-MVPs but not GOATS)

Larry Bird
Tim Duncan
Magic Johnson
Stephen Curry
Wilt Chamberlain

Tier 3 (the best multi-Finals-MVPs with an MVP)

Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kevin Durant

Tier 4 (the best Champs with an MVP)

Dirk Nowitzki
Nikola Jokic
Moses Malone
Giannis Antetokounmpo

Tier 5 (the best of the rest of the MVPs, Finals or otherwise)

Kevin Garnett
Charles Barkley
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Karl Malone
Willis Reed
Jerry West

Durant way too high.

[Robceltsfan]

All tiers are in no particular order

Tier 1 (the only arguable GOATS)

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Lebron James
Michael Jordan
Bill Russell

Tier 2 (multi-champs with multi-MVPs but not GOATS)

Larry Bird
Tim Duncan
Magic Johnson
Stephen Curry
Wilt Chamberlain

Tier 3 (the best multi-Finals-MVPs with an MVP)

Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
Kevin Durant

Tier 4 (the best Champs with an MVP)

Dirk Nowitzki
Nikola Jokic
Moses Malone
Giannis Antetokounmpo

Tier 5 (the best of the rest of the MVPs, Finals or otherwise)

Kevin Garnett
Charles Barkley
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Karl Malone
Willis Reed
Jerry West

Durant way too high.

He's definitely the bottom of Tier 3....but he's definitely not below Tier 4. He's the most efficient volume scorer the game has ever seen (by a decently wide margin, IMO), and he's seen enough team success (even considering the stacked squad in GSW) to warrant top 15 all-time.

[Sudanese Sensation]

Has TDK seen this list?

[Deez]

Must be mostly todays snowflake generation voting lol

[LNS]

100% agree with this list

[Bush4Ever.]

Durant is the hardest modern day player to place for me.

I've been all over the place with him and might have overrated him a little in the past.

GOAT (or very close) scorer, but I can't shake the feeling he is a "the whole is less than the sum of the parts" type player, at least in a leading role.

I said at the end of 2019 going away from GS was a risk to his legacy, and I think post-GS he hasn't really done "the narrative" any favors in his direction.

He can't drop *too* much. 30K points, GOAT-tier scorer, two Finals MVP (albeit on easy mode), two rings (same), and he has had some level of playoff success as a leading player (just no rings).

I think a little awhile ago I had him at 15 here. I think that was too liberal a rank. On RealGM a few days ago I said in the late teens or 20th spot, and I think that might be a more accurate place. He should not be above or immediately adjacent to Curry at all.

[Deez]

More legit list

[Robceltsfan]

More legit list

Not even an updated list...

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list ... f-all-time

[LNS]

More legit list

Not even an updated list...

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list ... f-all-time

Russell is too high IMO

[Robceltsfan]

More legit list

Not even an updated list...

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list ... f-all-time

Russell is too high IMO

[PhutureDynasty]

More legit list

Not even an updated list...

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list ... f-all-time

Russell is too high IMO

Agreed.