King Deez wrote:
Didn't he also play in like only 4 playoffs and had only 1 good playoffs too? Idk, i just don't see much of an argument for him. Longevity isn't huge but his small sample size doesn't favor him at all.
Again, I think part of it is because you don't believe he was really as good as others do (Grizz, me, Rob?). Right?
So because he was really good that cancels out playoff success, seasons with large chunks of missed games and his short ass career, longevity, etc.? Since he's really good I think Lamarcus Aldridge should be in this discussion too then. I think he's really good.
At least you've upped Walton's career peak from "solid" to "really good" on the level of Aldridge.
AGAIN... I think our opinions of his peak level vary a bit. I think he was better than "solid" and better than Aldridge. That's fine. Leave it at that.
Again, I think part of it is because you don't believe he was really as good as others do (Grizz, me, Rob?). Right?
So because he was really good that cancels out playoff success, seasons with large chunks of missed games and his short ass career, longevity, etc.? Since he's really good I think Lamarcus Aldridge should be in this discussion too then. I think he's really good.
I'm open to considering anyone. Show me where Lamarcus Aldridge made two 1st team All-Defenses, a league MVP, a Finals MVP.....and two rings.
Thanks.
Well he's really good, that was Abes argument. He's made more all-nba teams in less time played. He's actually played more games than Bill Walton while averaging 6 ppg more, been to the playoffs more times. the MVP does help Walton though I'll give you that. His playoff stats trump the shit out of Waltons. I guess he doesn't have the supporting cast that Walton had.
King Deez wrote:
So because he was really good that cancels out playoff success, seasons with large chunks of missed games and his short ass career, longevity, etc.? Since he's really good I think Lamarcus Aldridge should be in this discussion too then. I think he's really good.
I'm open to considering anyone. Show me where Lamarcus Aldridge made two 1st team All-Defenses, a league MVP, a Finals MVP.....and two rings.
Thanks.
Well he's really good, that was Abes argument. He's made more all-nba teams in less time played. He's actually played more games than Bill Walton while averaging 6 ppg more, been to the playoffs more times. the MVP does help Walton though I'll give you that. His playoff stats trump the shit out of Waltons. I guess he doesn't have the supporting cast that Walton had.
I'll write this out slowly and in large letters.
LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE HAS A NEGATIVE SEVEN OFFENSIVE TO DEFENSIVE RATING.....104-111.
There are screen doors that keep out the wind better than Aldridge plays defense.
Contrarily, in Walton's 3 seasons of major playoff contribution, he was a PLUS TWENTY-TWO rating.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
King Deez wrote:
So because he was really good that cancels out playoff success, seasons with large chunks of missed games and his short ass career, longevity, etc.? Since he's really good I think Lamarcus Aldridge should be in this discussion too then. I think he's really good.
I'm open to considering anyone. Show me where Lamarcus Aldridge made two 1st team All-Defenses, a league MVP, a Finals MVP.....and two rings.
Thanks.
Well he's really good, that was Abes argument. He's made more all-nba teams in less time played. He's actually played more games than Bill Walton while averaging 6 ppg more, been to the playoffs more times. the MVP does help Walton though I'll give you that. His playoff stats trump the shit out of Waltons. I guess he doesn't have the supporting cast that Walton had.
Robceltsfan wrote:
I'm open to considering anyone. Show me where Lamarcus Aldridge made two 1st team All-Defenses, a league MVP, a Finals MVP.....and two rings.
Thanks.
Well he's really good, that was Abes argument. He's made more all-nba teams in less time played. He's actually played more games than Bill Walton while averaging 6 ppg more, been to the playoffs more times. the MVP does help Walton though I'll give you that. His playoff stats trump the shit out of Waltons. I guess he doesn't have the supporting cast that Walton had.
I don't think Rob has a clue what I'm arguing...
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Robceltsfan wrote:
I'm open to considering anyone. Show me where Lamarcus Aldridge made two 1st team All-Defenses, a league MVP, a Finals MVP.....and two rings.
Thanks.
Well he's really good, that was Abes argument. He's made more all-nba teams in less time played. He's actually played more games than Bill Walton while averaging 6 ppg more, been to the playoffs more times. the MVP does help Walton though I'll give you that. His playoff stats trump the shit out of Waltons. I guess he doesn't have the supporting cast that Walton had.
I don't think Rob has a clue what I'm arguing...
I don't even know what's being argued anymore myself. I wasn't actually arguing for Aldridge either lol
Aldridge has a career 20.3 PER to Waltons 20. Close. Aldridge has 69 win shares to Waltons 39. Walton 24 Defensive Win Shares in his 10 years to Aldridges 25. Offensive win shares Walton 14 to Ald. 44.4
King Deez wrote:
Well he's really good, that was Abes argument. He's made more all-nba teams in less time played. He's actually played more games than Bill Walton while averaging 6 ppg more, been to the playoffs more times. the MVP does help Walton though I'll give you that. His playoff stats trump the shit out of Waltons. I guess he doesn't have the supporting cast that Walton had.
You are better off using *ranks* in PER than raw values across eras. IIRC, Walton was maybe 2nd or 3rd those years in PER. Combined with amazing defense, and there is no question Walton's peak was extraordinary.
How that falls into a career ranking can be debated amongst reasonable people, but his value at peak really cannot.
Taking a break from the board. Please reference my last post for more details if you are interested.
Deez, if your next movement will be to point out that Aldridge has a better regular season WS/48, I'll counter by pointing out 2 things:
1) Aldridge's WS/48 drops by MORE THAN 50% from RS to playoffs....which is embarrassing
2) Walton's career WS/48 includes a fuckload of those injury riddled, non-peak seasons.......none of Aldridge's seasons can touch the two peak years Walton had.....not even close
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
Aldridge has a playoff WS/48 of .069. Walton's WS/48 in the playoffs is .155.
Aldridge isn't even half-way to Walton's WS level.
But how is Aldridges Offensive and defensive win shares more than Waltons in 1 less year played?
Because he played more games/minutes......A LOT more. Win Shares are an accumulated statistic....kinda like points, rebounds, assists....etc.
Stop trolling...
This is where we decide what stats/accolades etc we want to use for our argument. Longevity is now out the window again. We should probably set a boundary or list of what we are allowed to use for voting in the future that way we dont' all argue for one thing and ignore another. These lists are fucked up because of it.
