Irrefutable evidence/proof why the 90's were better and tougher than today's weak, sissy NBA

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

FG% in 1992-93: 47.3%

FG% in 2023-24: 47.5%

Hold on a second... I though you claimed today's players are soooo much better and more skilled??? How can that be when they shoot basically the same % from the field?

PS: The league shot higher than that throughout the entire decade of the 80's. In fact, 10 of the top 11 all-time highest FG% seasons belong to the 80's, including the Top 6 spots. So are we to conclude that the players from the 80's were better and more skilled than today's players??? If not, then you have no point.

Of course he has a point you moron. You are just being disingenuous as usual and ignoring the fact that a much larger percentage of shots are taken from 3, therefor making the average shot made that much more valuable.

[Bush4Ever.]

Hold on a second... I though you claimed today's players are soooo much better and more skilled??? How can that be when they shoot basically the same % from the field?

Yeah, it's a real brain-buster.

[thedangerouskitchen]

FG% in 1992-93: 47.3%

FG% in 2023-24: 47.5%

Hold on a second... I though you claimed today's players are soooo much better and more skilled??? How can that be when they shoot basically the same % from the field?

PS: The league shot higher than that throughout the entire decade of the 80's. In fact, 10 of the top 11 all-time highest FG% seasons belong to the 80's, including the Top 6 spots. So are we to conclude that the players from the 80's were better and more skilled than today's players??? If not, then you have no point.

Shooting the same percentage while taking shots at average 10-15 feet further from the basket is IMPRESSIVE AS FUCK.

If the opposing team was allowed to play Defense the way it was played in the 90's I'd agree with you. As it is in today's NBA, however, Defense is an afterthought... meaning the majority of those "further distant" shots are of the WIDE OPEN variety, and as anyone who has ever played the game knows, it's tougher hitting a 15-20 foot jumper with a defender drapped all over you than it is to hit a wide-open 25 footer with no defender in sight.

Context and perspective help... it's not just black/white, cut/dry as you try to make it seem.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Typical cement-headed BWGC thinking hitting WIDE OPEN 25 footers is the same as hitting 15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

Clearly the BWGC never actually played basketball.

[Bush4Ever.]

Every season in the 2020s has a higher average FT percentage than every season in the 80s and 90s.

Let me guess...that's also because of "muh no defense", right?

Shooting free throws is pretty much the strictest (because it's a relatively easy shot) and most conservative test of shooting differences you can generate (that also admits of perfect comparison, since it's the same shot every time in any era)...and the modern era *still* outperforms old school by a fair amount (about 2-3 percentage points over the 80s and 90s).

[LeBronMonsterDunk]

15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

What kind of retard would be taking those kinds of shots?

[zombiesonics]

FG% in 1992-93: 47.3%

FG% in 2023-24: 47.5%

Hold on a second... I though you claimed today's players are soooo much better and more skilled??? How can that be when they shoot basically the same % from the field?

EFG%:

‘93: 49.1%
‘24: 54.7%

FT%:

‘93: 75.4%
‘24: 78.4%

[Robceltsfan]

15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

What kind of retard would be taking those kinds of shots?

There were PLENTY OF THEM in the 90's and early 00's.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Typical cement-headed BWGC thinking hitting WIDE OPEN 25 footers is the same as hitting 15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

Clearly the BWGC never actually played basketball.

You are confused. The 3 point line is generally defended more vigorously than in any era in history. Certainly much more closely than in the 80s and 90s. The whole reason offenses are more successful is that so much more of the court has to be defended. Defending from 2-3 feet beyond the arc and in is much more taxing on the defense than guarding 16 feet and in. With good ball movement and inside out play, you will get your fair share of wide open 3s, but that is because of good offense and more court to cover.

[thedangerouskitchen]

at bragging about today's teams averaging 75%-78% FT shooting the past 10 years vs. 75-77% in the 80's/90's, as if that's supposed to prove anything.

The BWGC is getting beyond desperate ever since the Commish, the VP of Ops and several current coaches/players exposed this era as soft and weak a week or so ago,

[thedangerouskitchen]

15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

What kind of retard would be taking those kinds of shots?

The rules/style back then made it so that players were actually allowed to play tough, hard, physical Defense, and as a result many more shots were contested (making it harder to score) vs. today, where the style / rules in place have made it easier than ever to Score.

Pretty basic stuff, actually.

[Robceltsfan]

15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

What kind of retard would be taking those kinds of shots?

The rules/style back then made it so that players were actually allowed to play tough, hard, physical Defense, and as a result many more shots were contested (making it harder to score) vs. today, where the style / rules in place have made it easier than ever to Score.

Pretty basic stuff, actually.

Nah, they were morons. Taking an assload of shots in the 16-23 foot range....apparently under extreme pressure, according to YOU. Instead of just stepping back a few feet, spreading the offense, and get 50% more points for every shot made.

Players/coaches in the 90's are confirmed DUMB.

[LeBronMonsterDunk]

15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

What kind of retard would be taking those kinds of shots?

The rules/style back then made it so that players were actually allowed to play tough, hard, physical Defense, and as a result many more shots were contested (making it harder to score) vs. today, where the style / rules in place have made it easier than ever to Score.

Pretty basic stuff, actually.

So the players "back then" just weren't good enough to take better shots, or were they just stupid and didn't know long mid range shots were the worst shot in basketball?

[Robceltsfan]

The six highest FT% seasons have all occurred in the past 8 years.

And yes, TDK, when you have 45,000-65,000 free throw attempts every season, a couple percentage points is a YUUUUGE difference.

[Bush4Ever.]

at bragging about today's teams averaging 75%-78% FT shooting the past 10 years vs. 75-77% in the 80's/90's, as if that's supposed to prove anything.

The BWGC is getting beyond desperate ever since the Commish, the VP of Ops and several current coaches/players exposed this era as soft and weak a week or so ago,

Uhh...yeah a 2-3 percentage point difference over approximately 500-600K free throws (50K-60K FTs shot per year) against 200K free throws shot in the 2020s is actually a gigantic statistical difference.

lol

[thedangerouskitchen]

Typical cement-headed BWGC thinking hitting WIDE OPEN 25 footers is the same as hitting 15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

Clearly the BWGC never actually played basketball.

You are confused. The 3 point line is generally defended more vigorously than in any era in history. Certainly much more closely than in the 80s and 90s. The whole reason offenses are more successful is that so much more of the court has to be defended. Defending from 2-3 feet beyond the arc and in is much more taxing on the defense than guarding 16 feet and in. With good ball movement and inside out play, you will get your fair share of wide open 3s, but that is because of good offense and more court to cover.

There's waaaaay more wide-open shots taken today than ever before... as you said, the spacing makes it much harder for the Defense (and by default, much easier for the Offense).

Thanks for proving my point (and Silver's, Dumars', Gobert's, Kerr's, River's, etc) about today's weak/soft Defense.

[Robceltsfan]

Typical cement-headed BWGC thinking hitting WIDE OPEN 25 footers is the same as hitting 15-20 foot shots with defenders drapped all over them.

Clearly the BWGC never actually played basketball.

You are confused. The 3 point line is generally defended more vigorously than in any era in history. Certainly much more closely than in the 80s and 90s. The whole reason offenses are more successful is that so much more of the court has to be defended. Defending from 2-3 feet beyond the arc and in is much more taxing on the defense than guarding 16 feet and in. With good ball movement and inside out play, you will get your fair share of wide open 3s, but that is because of good offense and more court to cover.

There's waaaaay more wide-open shots taken today than ever before... as you said, the spacing makes it much harder for the Defense (and by default, much easier for the Offense).

Thanks for proving my point (and Silver's, Dumars', Gobert's, Kerr's, River's, etc) about today's weak/soft Defense.

This dumb ass contradicted himself in just two sentences.

Better spacing = better offense = harder on defense


None of that means "weak/soft defense".


You gotta make up your mind, TDK.

[thedangerouskitchen]

at bragging about today's teams averaging 75%-78% FT shooting the past 10 years vs. 75-77% in the 80's/90's, as if that's supposed to prove anything.

The BWGC is getting beyond desperate ever since the Commish, the VP of Ops and several current coaches/players exposed this era as soft and weak a week or so ago,

Uhh...yeah a 2-3 percentage point difference over approximately 500-600K free throws (50K-60K FTs shot per year) against 200K free throws shot in the 2020s is actually a gigantic statistical difference.

lol

Taken team-by-team and the difference is minimal.

22 FTA at a .784% clip (2024) = 17.2 Points
22 FTA at a .765% clip (1991) = 16.8 Points

Yeah, huge difference.



Next...

[thedangerouskitchen]

What kind of retard would be taking those kinds of shots?

The rules/style back then made it so that players were actually allowed to play tough, hard, physical Defense, and as a result many more shots were contested (making it harder to score) vs. today, where the style / rules in place have made it easier than ever to Score.

Pretty basic stuff, actually.

So the players "back then" just weren't good enough to take better shots, or were they just stupid and didn't know long mid range shots were the worst shot in basketball?

Players play in real time... they don't have the benefit of hindsight. The game style/rules were different back then. Defenders were allowed to be very physical / lots of contact, and that alone makes it harder to get a shot off (and make the shot) vs. playing in a soft/weak league where zero contact is allowed and there's enough spacing to drive a truck in the paint, which again, makes it much easier to shoot/score.

This is not rocket science.

[Robceltsfan]

at bragging about today's teams averaging 75%-78% FT shooting the past 10 years vs. 75-77% in the 80's/90's, as if that's supposed to prove anything.

The BWGC is getting beyond desperate ever since the Commish, the VP of Ops and several current coaches/players exposed this era as soft and weak a week or so ago,

Uhh...yeah a 2-3 percentage point difference over approximately 500-600K free throws (50K-60K FTs shot per year) against 200K free throws shot in the 2020s is actually a gigantic statistical difference.

lol

Taken team-by-team and the difference is minimal.

22 FTA at a .784% clip (2024) = 17.2 Points
22 FTA at a .765% clip (1991) = 16.8 Points

Yeah, huge difference.



Next...

Except is was more like 27-28 attempts during the "hammer players all you want with no fouls called" 90's.....and you picked THE BEST year from the 90's for the 76.5%. It was sub-74% for most of the 90's.

4.4% over 28 attempts per game is 22.0 versus 20.7 points per game. Do you know how many teams would KILL for an extra 1.3 points per game, EVERY game, guaranteed?

The answer: all of them