imagine if this was kobes legacy

[Kennethgriffin]

1997-2007 kobe wins fuck all. choke after choke after choke. 0 rings. but has 2 MVPS

2008 - Kobe goes to sanantonio to team up with Tim Duncan and Chris Paul. sabotages the finals cause Paul is in line for MVP

2009 - Kobe, Duncan and Paul win the finals against the magic ( kobe is league mvp and finals mvp )

2010 - Kobes spurs with Duncan and Paul choke the series away against boston. gets bailed out by a Manu series saving 3 pointer at the buzzer ) ( kobe is league mvp and finals mvp )

2011 - Kobe loses with Duncan and Paul ( kobe gets shut down by finals mvp James Jones ( on Miami )

2012 - Kobe goes back to LA to team up with Dirk and Westbrook... loses to finals mvp Shane Battier ( on Miami * Lebron sucks it up and kobe gets shut down by shane battier )

2013 - Kobe loses again with Dirk and and Westbrook to finals mvp Chris Bosh ( on Miami * Lebron sucks it up again and kobe gets shut down by shane battier again )




how awesome is this career

[kobeunderbite]

Bosh = Duncan?
Kyrie = Westbrook?
Dirk = Love?



Why didn't you just use the same players?

[Robceltsfan]

Nice bit of fiction....but Kobe wasn't good enough to win that many MVP's.

[Bush4Ever]

On a more normal team/career arc, Kobe pre-Gasol (or a Gasol-like player), would have won a heaping bag of dicks and that's it.

[elartman1973]

Pleaselove my kobe
Jesus christ the op is one obsessed loser

[lettherebehouse]

On a more normal team/career arc, Kobe pre-Gasol (or a Gasol-like player), would have won a heaping bag of dicks and that's it.

There is nothing normal about playing with a starting 5 that includes Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

[Deez]

On a more normal team/career arc, Kobe pre-Gasol (or a Gasol-like player), would have won a heaping bag of dicks and that's it.

There is nothing normal about playing with a starting 5 that includes Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

[Robceltsfan]

On a more normal team/career arc, Kobe pre-Gasol (or a Gasol-like player), would have won a heaping bag of dicks and that's it.

There is nothing normal about playing with a starting 5 that includes Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

There is also nothing normal about spending your early years playing alongside the most dominant force in the NBA.

[Kennethgriffin]

Bosh = Duncan?
Kyrie = Westbrook?
Dirk = Love?



Why didn't you just use the same players?

in terms of the seasons those guys played in... theyre all virtually similar numbers

[lettherebehouse]

On a more normal team/career arc, Kobe pre-Gasol (or a Gasol-like player), would have won a heaping bag of dicks and that's it.

There is nothing normal about playing with a starting 5 that includes Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

There is also nothing normal about spending your early years playing alongside the most dominant force in the NBA.

Penny Hardaway, Eddie Jones, and Nick Van Exel were awarded that same luxury.

[Robceltsfan]

There is nothing normal about playing with a starting 5 that includes Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

There is also nothing normal about spending your early years playing alongside the most dominant force in the NBA.

Penny Hardaway, Eddie Jones, and Nick Van Exel were awarded that same luxury.

20-23 year old Shaq....while also playing some of that time in MJ's NBA....so no, they weren't afforded the same luxury as Prime Shaq.

[AtiliusRegulus]

1997-2007 kobe wins fuck all. choke after choke after choke. 0 rings. but has 2 MVPS

2008 - Kobe goes to sanantonio to team up with Tim Duncan and Chris Paul. sabotages the finals cause Paul is in line for MVP

2009 - Kobe, Duncan and Paul win the finals against the magic ( kobe is league mvp and finals mvp )

2010 - Kobes spurs with Duncan and Paul choke the series away against boston. gets bailed out by a Manu series saving 3 pointer at the buzzer ) ( kobe is league mvp and finals mvp )

2011 - Kobe loses with Duncan and Paul ( kobe gets shut down by finals mvp James Jones ( on Miami )

2012 - Kobe goes back to LA to team up with Dirk and Westbrook... loses to finals mvp Shane Battier ( on Miami * Lebron sucks it up and kobe gets shut down by shane battier )

2013 - Kobe loses again with Dirk and and Westbrook to finals mvp Chris Bosh ( on Miami * Lebron sucks it up again and kobe gets shut down by shane battier again )




how awesome is this career

Haters are not going to appreciate what you just wrote, but it shows the numerous passes that LeBron has been given.

[Bush4Ever]

There is nothing normal about playing with a starting 5 that includes Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

No, that's not an average roster.

But it's also relatively obvious that Kobe simply cannot be the one and only (see Lebron in Cleveland 1.0) and win big.

So, if Kobe had Lebron's career/situations...it would have probably gone

Winless until getting the sidekick (like Lebron)
Finally getting the supporting talent and bouncing around some rings, mixed in with a terrible Finals (like Lebron)
Gradually fading from the elite status and top ranks (see Lebron 2020).

Kobe's career would have been Lebron's career, except with less winning in Cleveland 1.0 and probably a different type of error in Miami/Dallas (instead of playing someone passively, playing aggressively to an absurdity).

[Kennethgriffin]

holy fuck somehow the duplicate thread on realgm is still up after 10 minutes


i obviously had to reword some things so i wouldn't come accross as a complete troll

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtop ... #p47723265" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


might be a good home for me afterall



edit* nevermind its locked lol

[lettherebehouse]

There is nothing normal about playing with a starting 5 that includes Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

No, that's not an average roster.

But it's also relatively obvious that Kobe simply cannot be the one and only (see Lebron in Cleveland 1.0) and win big.

So, if Kobe had Lebron's career/situations...it would have probably gone

Winless until getting the sidekick (like Lebron)
Finally getting the supporting talent and bouncing around some rings, mixed in with a terrible Finals (like Lebron)
Gradually fading from the elite status and top ranks (see Lebron 2020).

Kobe's career would have been Lebron's career, except with less winning in Cleveland 1.0 and probably a different type of error in Miami/Dallas (instead of playing someone passively, playing aggressively to an absurdity).

That's a lot of hypothetical speculation. What we do know as fact, is that that putrid level of a team with an emerging Bynum was dramatically teetered into greatness with just a sprinkle of formidability in Gasol's arrival. You've seen great players in the league throughout who couldn't swing that type of balance with far more impacting "on paper" additions. How many "big 3s", let alone "big 2s", have we seen over the past 16 years fail at even getting to the Finals? Kobe did it 3 straight times with nothing remotely close to adding prime Wade/Bosh level talent.

[Kennethgriffin]

There is nothing normal about playing with a starting 5 that includes Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

No, that's not an average roster.

But it's also relatively obvious that Kobe simply cannot be the one and only (see Lebron in Cleveland 1.0) and win big.

So, if Kobe had Lebron's career/situations...it would have probably gone

Winless until getting the sidekick (like Lebron)
Finally getting the supporting talent and bouncing around some rings, mixed in with a terrible Finals (like Lebron)
Gradually fading from the elite status and top ranks (see Lebron 2020).

Kobe's career would have been Lebron's career, except with less winning in Cleveland 1.0 and probably a different type of error in Miami/Dallas (instead of playing someone passively, playing aggressively to an absurdity).

kobes 2006 roster would be in the east finals most seasons

and lebrons cavs were built on defense and three point shooting.. if you knew anything about basketball you'd have known this


kobes teams with smush and kwame weren't built on anything... just ymca trash that actually were quoted saying "don't pass me the ball. i might fumble it" - kwame brown

[Bush4Ever]

That's a lot of hypothetical speculation.

Not really.

We know he won nothing without a strong sidekick (like Lebron).
We know that he stumbled in multiple Finals (like Lebron).
We know that when placed in a terrible team situation, he won 0.0000 playoff series (unlike Lebron, albeit out West).

None of that is guesswork.

In lead dog roles (apples to apples):

With elite supporting talent, Kobe = Lebron in winning.
Without elite supporting talent Lebron > Kobe in winning.

It's an objective fact, and not open for debate.

[lettherebehouse]

That's a lot of hypothetical speculation.

Not really.

We know he won nothing without a strong sidekick (like Lebron).
We know that he stumbled in multiple Finals (like Lebron).
We know that when placed in a terrible team situation, he won 0.0000 playoff series (unlike Lebron, albeit out West).

None of that is guesswork.

In lead dog roles (apples to apples):

With elite supporting talent, Kobe = Lebron in winning.
Without elite supporting talent Lebron > Kobe in winning.

It's an objective fact, and not open for debate.

What is open for debate, is what we consider "elite supporting cast". Your "normal team" comment has more to do with the 2007-2010 Lakers, than any of the 11-14 Heat rosters who was/is universally considered as an elite collection of players.

[Kennethgriffin]

That's a lot of hypothetical speculation.

Not really.

We know he won nothing without a strong sidekick (like Lebron).
We know that he stumbled in multiple Finals (like Lebron).
We know that when placed in a terrible team situation, he won 0.0000 playoff series (unlike Lebron, albeit out West).

None of that is guesswork.

In lead dog roles (apples to apples):

With elite supporting talent, Kobe = Lebron in winning.
Without elite supporting talent Lebron > Kobe in winning.

It's an objective fact, and not open for debate.

only one guy in nba history won anything without a strong sidekick


hakeem in 94



pau gasol on the other hand is probably the 5th or 6th lowest ranked 2nd option in championship history

while lebrons sidekick for his 2 titles has a top 20 all time ranking and is only below

- Kobe Bryant
- Jerry west
- John Havlicek
- Kareem abdul jabbar
- Magic Johnson
- Tim Duncan

[Bush4Ever]

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the 11-14 Heat rosters who was/is universally considered as an elite collection of players.

Yes clearly elite, that's why they didn't fall like a rock once Lebron left.