Saw Star Wars - I'd give it between a 6.5 - 7 out of 10

[elartman1973]

You're a weird motherfucker, you know that?

Not appreciating beautiful womens feet is whats weird actually

So, do you suck toes or lick toes? Do women stick their foot in your ass? Do women jack you off with their feet?

Please, help me understand how women's feet are worthy of appreciation.

Nicely kept feet means a nicely kept vagina..
Feet are also very sexy...nice one that is..cant stand ugly feet..a hot chick with ugly feet is a huge turn off

[Kingcarl24]

Not appreciating beautiful womens feet is whats weird actually

So, do you suck toes or lick toes? Do women stick their foot in your ass? Do women jack you off with their feet?

Please, help me understand how women's feet are worthy of appreciation.

Nicely kept feet means a nicely kept vagina..
Feet are also very sexy...nice one that is..cant stand ugly feet..a hot chick with ugly feet is a huge turn off

Stop talking about women. It's gross when you do.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Guy A is deeply conflicted and torn between good and evil, Guy B is manipulating guy A into being evil. It's definitely not a stretch to peg B as the villain.

We're just getting into semantics, though. Kylo Ren did bad things and made things difficult for the good guys, so in that sense he was villainous. That we can probably all agree on. I just don't think that he is necessarily the villain. Heck, even Han and Leia thought he was redeemable after he had slaughtered everyone in that jedi temple along with countless others en route to becoming a First Order leader.

Agreed that it is a lot of semantics.

Here's one angle: Is there a movie without the Kylo Ren character? Is there one without Snoke?

I get the long game angle. But these movies MUST work individually as well.

[Ali Natural]

Kylo was cool but turned bitch once he found out about Rey's force powers.

StarKiller base actually accomplished its goal, which was to destroy the New Republic.

The shit that disappointed me was Phasma.

[Robceltsfan]

Guy A is deeply conflicted and torn between good and evil, Guy B is manipulating guy A into being evil. It's definitely not a stretch to peg B as the villain.

We're just getting into semantics, though. Kylo Ren did bad things and made things difficult for the good guys, so in that sense he was villainous. That we can probably all agree on. I just don't think that he is necessarily the villain. Heck, even Han and Leia thought he was redeemable after he had slaughtered everyone in that jedi temple along with countless others en route to becoming a First Order leader.

Agreed that it is a lot of semantics.

Here's one angle: Is there a movie without the Kylo Ren character? Is there one without Snoke?

I get the long game angle. But these movies MUST work individually as well.

I disagree. That may have been the case in the 70's....but in this day of "epic trilogies" that just isn't the case anymore.

[ripper76]

The movie does work fairly well on its own, but if you want an explanation for why Ren is too "emo" or doesn't come across the same way Vader did in Episode IV, it's because of where Ren is at developmentally in the larger story arc.

[Robceltsfan]

The movie does work fairly well on its own, but if you want an explanation for why Ren is too "emo" or doesn't come across the same way Vader did in Episode IV, it's because of where Ren is at developmentally in the larger story arc.

Vader had his "dark moment" when he killed Windu in Episode III....years before Episode IV. Ren had his dark moment IN this movie....not the prior episode.

[kobeunderbite]

Guy A is deeply conflicted and torn between good and evil, Guy B is manipulating guy A into being evil. It's definitely not a stretch to peg B as the villain.

We're just getting into semantics, though. Kylo Ren did bad things and made things difficult for the good guys, so in that sense he was villainous. That we can probably all agree on. I just don't think that he is necessarily the villain. Heck, even Han and Leia thought he was redeemable after he had slaughtered everyone in that jedi temple along with countless others en route to becoming a First Order leader.

Agreed that it is a lot of semantics.

Here's one angle: Is there a movie without the Kylo Ren character? Is there one without Snoke?

I get the long game angle. But these movies MUST work individually as well.

I understand what you're saying, but Kylo Ren is a sympathetic character and still would be in a self-contained film. Grey, not black/white. With that being said, he is definitely the antagonist of TFA.

[elartman1973]

So, do you suck toes or lick toes? Do women stick their foot in your ass? Do women jack you off with their feet?

Please, help me understand how women's feet are worthy of appreciation.

Nicely kept feet means a nicely kept vagina..
Feet are also very sexy...nice one that is..cant stand ugly feet..a hot chick with ugly feet is a huge turn off

Stop talking about women. It's gross when you do.

Not gross at all ..dont see what makesnit gross

[kobeunderbite]

Nicely kept feet means a nicely kept vagina..
Feet are also very sexy...nice one that is..cant stand ugly feet..a hot chick with ugly feet is a huge turn off

Stop talking about women. It's gross when you do.

Not gross at all ..dont see what makesnit gross

That's because you have no self awareness.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Guy A is deeply conflicted and torn between good and evil, Guy B is manipulating guy A into being evil. It's definitely not a stretch to peg B as the villain.

We're just getting into semantics, though. Kylo Ren did bad things and made things difficult for the good guys, so in that sense he was villainous. That we can probably all agree on. I just don't think that he is necessarily the villain. Heck, even Han and Leia thought he was redeemable after he had slaughtered everyone in that jedi temple along with countless others en route to becoming a First Order leader.

Agreed that it is a lot of semantics.

Here's one angle: Is there a movie without the Kylo Ren character? Is there one without Snoke?

I get the long game angle. But these movies MUST work individually as well.

I disagree. That may have been the case in the 70's....but in this day of "epic trilogies" that just isn't the case anymore.

I'm getting confused. I'm not very smart, I guess.

I apologize for not understanding that Snoke, while being the ringleader, is the villain despite only appearing in hologram form and interacting with two people. And not the guy driving the action for 2 hours.

I'm only being slightly facetious. Again, probably comes down to semantics.

[elartman1973]

Stop talking about women. It's gross when you do.

Not gross at all ..dont see what makesnit gross

That's because you have no self awareness.

I have far more than you...
You dont even realize how much of a geek you are...and you are a huge geek

[AbeVigodaLive]

Artman working OT to get attention.



Dammit!!! It worked again. I see you fat buddy. I see you.

[kobeunderbite]

Not gross at all ..dont see what makesnit gross

That's because you have no self awareness.

I have far more than you...
You dont even realize how much of a geek you are...and you are a huge geek

I bet you don't. I have 8, how many self awareness do you have?

[ripper76]

I can't talk about Star Wars in the same thread as the discussion about feet.

[Kingcarl24]

Stop talking about women. It's gross when you do.

Not gross at all ..dont see what makesnit gross

That's because you have no self awareness.

None whatsoever.

[kobeunderbite]

[vcsgrizzfan]

Artie and those arguing with him. Please cease and desist. This is actually an interesting thread that doesn't need to be derailed.

Thanks in advance.

[Robceltsfan]

Agreed that it is a lot of semantics.

Here's one angle: Is there a movie without the Kylo Ren character? Is there one without Snoke?

I get the long game angle. But these movies MUST work individually as well.

I disagree. That may have been the case in the 70's....but in this day of "epic trilogies" that just isn't the case anymore.

I'm getting confused. I'm not very smart, I guess.

I apologize for not understanding that Snoke, while being the ringleader, is the villain despite only appearing in hologram form and interacting with two people. And not the guy driving the action for 2 hours.

I'm only being slightly facetious. Again, probably comes down to semantics.

The answer is in the middle. I agree that Ren is A villain, but to me he's not THE villain. Episode IV was made as a stand-alone film and Vader was the villain of that movie....even though the next two episodes (and eventually the prior three) saw that it was Palpatine/The Emperor that was pulling all the strings.

Knowing that history, and knowing that there are two films still to follow TFA, makes it pretty simple for one to assume that Snoke is the true villain of the trilogy.

Maybe we'll be surprised by a twist? I doubt it though...

[kobeunderbite]

I think everyone understands each other. It's not wrong to call Kylo Ren the villain, it just feels a tad disingenuous to label him as such because we know he won't be the ultimate villain of the story and we know that he is nowhere near pure evil.