2015 Anger General Greatest post-merger Players of All Time #47

[Odogg]

Outside of Christian Laettner (who doesn't count), there's only one member of the original Dream Team who has yet to make this list.

He averaged 18/4/4 over the course of his 13 year career-- during his prime, he averaged 25+ for 5 straight seasons.

My completely objective vote is for Chris Mullin.

Good dream team reminder.

[Odogg]

LOL I am glad I missed most of the Tmac election thread.

[Odogg]

Jamaal Wilkes does not get there. Career PER of only like 16, even less in the playoffs. Ginobli gets the nod easily in a comparison of 2/3 dogs.

[Odogg]

Same goes for Nixon.

[Y2K]

I'm going out on a limb and voting for Grant Hill. Ben Wallace is a worthy candidate but peak for peak, I'd take Hill's overall game over Ben's very stout defense.

[Y2K]

Voting for the round closes at 10 pm CST.

[elmouse03]

Ben Wallace's defense on Shaq from 04-07 was pretty damn amazing.

[rtiff68]

Please love my Mullin, damn it!

[Odogg]

Please love my Mullin, damn it!

He may have a chance to crack the top 50 in this project, but you have to make the case still. I mean he made the dream team because you have to have that 3 point specialiat in international ball, and Bird had a bad back, so although I like your angle, the voters may need more.

[Robceltsfan]

If you want Mullin in I'll get him in.

What are you offering?

[Y2K]

Please love my Mullin, damn it!

He may have a chance to crack the top 50 in this project, but you have to make the case still. I mean he made the dream team because you have to have that 3 point specialiat in international ball, and Bird had a bad back, so although I like your angle, the voters may need more.

[dwcmwa]

I'd go with Mully here.

But the biased-ty continues here with no mention of Rose.


Youngest MVP Ever and even though he's been derailed by injuries so was G. Hill but he still has a spot here AND he never won an MVP.

[Robceltsfan]

I'd go with Mully here.

But the biased-ty continues here with no mention of Rose.


Youngest MVP Ever and even though he's been derailed by injuries so was G. Hill but he still has a spot here AND he never won an MVP.

Rose would be lucky to make a top 100 list.

[rtiff68]

Please love my Mullin, damn it!

He may have a chance to crack the top 50 in this project, but you have to make the case still. I mean he made the dream team because you have to have that 3 point specialiat in international ball, and Bird had a bad back, so although I like your angle, the voters may need more.

In all honesty, I don't have a problem with anyone going Mullin, Wallace, or Billups (extremely underrated player in my opinion-- something that advanced metrics support) here. That said, consider this a case for Mullin: all 3 of the players below had long careers as NBA wings. Their career per game numbers are as follows...

Player A:

17.1ppg / 5.0rebs / 2.7asts / 1.2stls; .438 / .370 / .707

Player B:

18.2ppg / 3.0rebs / 3.0asts / .8stls; .471 / .395 / .888

Player C:

18.2ppg / 4.5rebs / 3.5asts / 1.6stls; .509 / .384 / .865

For Player A and Player B, the majority of the years they played hovered right around their career averages. In sharp contrast, Player C had a 5 year stretch where he averaged 25+ppg and shot over 50% from the field every time. Player B scored the most career points because he played 4+ more seasons than the other two players (even though all 3 had fairly long careers, relatively speaking).

Player A is Jason RIchardson, who hasn't and won't come anywhere near this list. Player B is Reggie Miller, who is #41...

...and Player C is, shockingly, Chris Mullin. Do we really value career volume statistics THAT much if said player's peak is nowhere close to a comparable player's?

Final, interesting and timely note: the only advantage Kobe Bryant really has over Michael Jordan career-wise is the fact that he accumulated higher totals because he played longer and he had a slight edge in 3-point shooting. If you replaced "Kobe Bryant" with "Reggie Miller" and "Michael Jordan" with "Chris Mullin," the previous sentence would ring every bit as true...

...and yet we have Reggie approximately 10 spots ahead of Chris and Jordan 6 spots ahead of Kobe.

[Odogg]

Thanks. But didnt reggie have a lot more playoff success than mullin?

[rtiff68]

Thanks. But didnt reggie have a lot more playoff success than mullin?

Sure, but he also had WAY more opportunities because he played on much better teams. Again, that's not Miller's fault, and team circumstances obviously impact every player on this list, but it should at least be brought up. For the record, when Mullin did get there during his peak, he performed at an extremely high level.

[rtiff68]

Another note: it was suggested earlier that Mullin was on the original Dream Team only because they needed another 3-point shooter. For the record, both Mullin and Miller were peaking at the time the team was picked, Miller was a slightly better 3-point shooter, and Mullin is only 2 years older (so it wasn't an "age" thing).