Will LeSecondFiddle defer to Ray Allen again today... ?

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thedangerouskitchen wrote:
WiseGuy wrote:
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Bosh instinctively passed to Ray Allen (for a long-range INefficient) 3-point shot INSTEAD of Lebron, because he knows Allen is a Closer with ice in his veins, where as James wilts like a dead flower in those situations.

This is not up for debate.

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You must not watch a lot of basketball. It was a corner three which is one of the most efficient shots in basketball. The Bosh assist was off a twenty six foot James miss. There was five seconds left on the clock. It would have been virtually impossible for Bosh to find James again considering the amount of time on the clock and where James was on the court.

There are a lot of knowledgeable basketball fans like your interlocutors on this site. Perhaps, if you spent less time writing and more time reading you too can become a valued and respected member of this board. I for one believe no man is uneducable.

ROFLMAO at the notion that a 3-point attempt (ANY shot from that range) is considered an efficient shot.


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WoW... !!

And again, kiddo... it's a well known fact that Lebron is NOT a Closer. If he were then Bosh would have been looking for him instead of instinctively passing to the one guy on the floor who is a Closer (Ray Allen).


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Ok but how does a Bosh pass to Allen = Lebron deferring to Allen?
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If the game gets in tight pressure situations LeCoward will Defer to clutchier teammates to bail him out of trouble for sure

You can almost set your watch by it. Wade/Allen/ Bosh will have to step up big time today for the cHeat to pull it out
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I'm sure wiseguy meant to say the corner 3 is the most efficient 3 point shot, rather than just say a corner 3 is one of the most efficient shots...
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Jordan deferred to Steve Kerr in the Finals for a game winner.

Jordan isn't a real closer.
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zombiesonics wrote:Jordan deferred to Steve Kerr in the Finals for a game winner.

Jordan isn't a real closer.

Jordan has closed more games in a single season than Lebron has done in 10 years
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constitutionnomore wrote:I'm sure wiseguy meant to say the corner 3 is the most efficient 3 point shot, rather than just say a corner 3 is one of the most efficient shots...

It's not only the most efficient shot it's the only shot a team can take if they want to win a game where they are trailing bu three with the game about to expire. Only a successful three point play leads to overtime. An And One would too but that's highly unlikely.
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zombiesonics wrote:Jordan deferred to Steve Kerr in the Finals for a game winner.

Jordan isn't a real closer.
Jordan also ended two playoff series (one a Finals) with clutch shots.
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James had just hit a deep three a couple plays before that with like 20 seconds left. He also took the shot that Bosh rebounded and got to Allen. I'm not sure how that's "deferring."
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WiseGuy wrote:
constitutionnomore wrote:I'm sure wiseguy meant to say the corner 3 is the most efficient 3 point shot, rather than just say a corner 3 is one of the most efficient shots...

It's not only the most efficient shot it's the only shot a team can take if they want to win a game where they are trailing bu three with the game about to expire. Only a successful three point play leads to overtime. An And One would too but that's highly unlikely.

..I'm just saying your wording wasn't clear in describing a corner 3...and I would also disagree with "It's not only the most efficient shot it's the only shot a team can take if they want to win a game where they are trailing bu three with the game about to expire".....any 3 shot would have worked, the corner being the most efficient...
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DorianRo wrote:
zombiesonics wrote:Jordan deferred to Steve Kerr in the Finals for a game winner.

Jordan isn't a real closer.

Jordan has closed more games in a single season than Lebron has done in 10 years

LeBron has made fifteen game winners...I'll check back later to see the season Michael Jordan made sixteen game winners in one season.


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I think most here had hoped that the OP's extended absence was due to a stint in rehab. However, it is becoming more apperant with each of his posts that he is as drunken as ever.
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ripper76 wrote:James had just hit a deep three a couple plays before that with like 20 seconds left. He also took the shot that Bosh rebounded and got to Allen. I'm not sure how that's "deferring."
When alcohol is involved in ones posting habits, anything is possible.
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WiseGuy wrote:
thedangerouskitchen wrote:
WiseGuy wrote:
You must not watch a lot of basketball. It was a corner three which is one of the most efficient shots in basketball. The Bosh assist was off a twenty six foot James miss. There was five seconds left on the clock. It would have been virtually impossible for Bosh to find James again considering the amount of time on the clock and where James was on the court.

There are a lot of knowledgeable basketball fans like your interlocutors on this site. Perhaps, if you spent less time writing and more time reading you too can become a valued and respected member of this board. I for one believe no man is uneducable.

ROFLMAO at the notion that a 3-point attempt (ANY shot from that range) is considered an efficient shot.


:lol:

WoW... !!

And again, kiddo... it's a well known fact that Lebron is NOT a Closer. If he were then Bosh would have been looking for him instead of instinctively passing to the one guy on the floor who is a Closer (Ray Allen).


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The NBA’s corner three is closer than from the wing and at the top of the key. At the wing and the top of the key, it’s the standard 23 feet 9 inches. In the corner, it’s only 22 feet. So it makes sense the corner three is the most efficient shot you can take in the game since it’s the closest spot on the floor where you can earn three points. But what about when you’re pressured or you’re shooting the corner three off the dribble? That’s where the most recent post by Vantage Sports comes in.
They used their quantitative data from the last two seasons to arrive at the charts you see above. Here’s their conclusion:
Even after accounting for shooter movement and the strength of the defense, the corner three still comes out looking like the easiest three. The big difference with the short distance corner three comes when defenders aren’t playing strong defense. If a shot is launched from the wing or top of the key, the defense might be able to get away with not getting a hand up. But if that three-point attempt comes from the corner, anything but great defense can turn an average shooter into a 40+ percent shooter.
This is fascinating stuff for analytics dorks, which I’m probably one of, but the corner three has a couple things working against it: it’s close enough to the sideline that players run the risk of falling on a spectator or the mayor’s waitress, and twisting an ankle; it’s also difficult to take an uncontested corner three since offensive players are boxed in by the baseline, the sideline, and the oncoming defender. Corner three-pointers are also increasingly more difficult—and that’s shown in the fourth graph—when a player dribbles before taking the shot. Implicit in that evaluation according to Vantage Sports’ analysis, is that the player isn’t set if he’s taking a shot off the dribble, especially as the number of dribbles increases. Most corner threes come off of penetration into the lane that forces the defender assigned to keep an eye on the shooter in the corner to drop down closer to the restricted area to help, thus leaving the corner player open. So when a player is set, and open, the corner three is the best shot in basketball, at least in terms of efficiency. Now we have numbers to back up what most professional basketball watchers have known for years: the corner three is the ish.
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AND LET'S JUST IGNORE THE FACT THE HEAT WERE DOWN THREE (95-92) WITH FIVE SECONDS ON THE CLOCK. IT WAS LITERALLY THE ONLY SHOT AVAILABLE TO TIE THE GAME AND SEND IT INTO OVERTIME.
this fetishisation of 'efficiency' is odd when many dont understand it to begin with. a 3pt = ineffecient only when you have a superficial understanding of the concept in basketball in the first place.

lol @ the latter. nice.
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you cant be serious tdk.

keep trying.
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