2015 Anger General Greatest post-merger Players of All Time #35

[Deez]

So I have to ask because I'm not fully understanding it:

Why Pau over Mourning?

Offense.....efficiency.....and rings.

That's been the general gist.

Except Pau wasn't as efficient and isn't overwhelmingly the more skilled offensive player. He certainly doesn't even begin to compare defensively either.

Zo definitely better on defense but he's not near the scorer that Pau is.

[Y2K]

Offense.....efficiency.....and rings.

That's been the general gist.

Except Pau wasn't as efficient and isn't overwhelmingly the more skilled offensive player. He certainly doesn't even begin to compare defensively either.

Zo definitely better on defense but he's not near the scorer that Pau is.

[Bush4Ever]

I think the two rings are substantial here, considering the role he won them in, especially in 2010, where he was arguably *the* difference maker in the series (in combination with blatant rigging from the league office for the Lakers ).

[Deez]

Except Pau wasn't as efficient and isn't overwhelmingly the more skilled offensive player. He certainly doesn't even begin to compare defensively either.

Zo definitely better on defense but he's not near the scorer that Pau is.

I think Pau has better range than Zo. If I need to spread the floor I'd take Pau over Zo everytime.

[Y2K]

I think the two rings are substantial here, considering the role he won them in, especially in 2010, where he was arguably *the* difference maker in the series (in combination with blatant rigging from the league office for the Lakers ).

I'll give Pau that for sure.

[Y2K]

Zo definitely better on defense but he's not near the scorer that Pau is.

I think Pau has better range than Zo. If I need to spread the floor I'd take Pau over Zo everytime.

But does that difference make up for Zo's overwhelming advantages defensively? I don't think so.

[Deez]

I think Pau has better range than Zo. If I need to spread the floor I'd take Pau over Zo everytime.

But does that difference make up for Zo's overwhelming advantages defensively? I don't think so.

assists and boards also favor Pau, idk it's probably fairly close but Pau also trumps him when it comes to playoffs.

[Deez]

Pau also as a 123 to 90 Win Share advantage and just barely in PER

[Robceltsfan]

I think Pau has better range than Zo. If I need to spread the floor I'd take Pau over Zo everytime.

But does that difference make up for Zo's overwhelming advantages defensively? I don't think so.

assists and boards also favor Pau, idk it's probably fairly close but Pau also trumps him when it comes to playoffs.

Very misleading.

[Deez]

But does that difference make up for Zo's overwhelming advantages defensively? I don't think so.

assists and boards also favor Pau, idk it's probably fairly close but Pau also trumps him when it comes to playoffs.

Very misleading.

Sorry, He has better PPG, REB, ASSISTS in the playoffs than ZO

[Robceltsfan]

assists and boards also favor Pau, idk it's probably fairly close but Pau also trumps him when it comes to playoffs.

Very misleading.

Sorry, He has better PPG, REB, ASSISTS in the playoffs than ZO

Zo played a large number of his playoff games way, way past his prime. In his 7 pre-injury trips to the playoffs he averaged 20.4/9.8.

[vcsgrizzfan]

So I have to ask because I'm not fully understanding it:

Why Pau over Mourning?

Offense.....efficiency.....and rings.

That's been the general gist.

Except Pau wasn't as efficient and isn't overwhelmingly the more skilled offensive player. He certainly doesn't even begin to compare defensively either.

Pau was far better offensively. He was far more versatile, being a much better passer and being able to play effectively in the low block, the elbow, the high post and mesh into many roles and play with many different players effectively. Zo was a poor passer who turned the ball over a lot. That's a combination that really detracts from your offensive game and is too often overlooked.

[Y2K]

Offense.....efficiency.....and rings.

That's been the general gist.

Except Pau wasn't as efficient and isn't overwhelmingly the more skilled offensive player. He certainly doesn't even begin to compare defensively either.

Pau was far better offensively. He was far more versatile, being a better passer and being able to play effectively in the low block, the elbow, the high post and mesh into many roles and play with many different players effectively.

Not arguing with this point at all either. Skill wise Mourning, despite not having as much range and definitely not a great play maker, ended up being a player who shot over 50%, drew a good amount of fouls and was a 20 ppg scorer On some pretty decent teams before his health failed him.

[Y2K]

Voting for this round closes at 9 pm CST.

[Deez]

Pau

[Odogg]

Pau is the clearly superior offensive player.

Zo the clearly superior defensive player.

Like others have said, the two 2nd dog rings give Pau the edge.

[Y2K]

Pau is the clearly superior offensive player.

Zo the clearly superior defensive player.

Like others have said, the two 2nd dog rings give Pau the edge.

I don't believe Pau was the superior player when it comes to productivity though. Skill wise and versatility wise, yes he was better.

[vcsgrizzfan]

Pau is the clearly superior offensive player.

Zo the clearly superior defensive player.

Like others have said, the two 2nd dog rings give Pau the edge.

I don't believe Pau was the superior player when it comes to productivity though. Skill wise and versatility wise, yes he was better.

Pau did more with less in Memphis and was a key guy in two rings.

Iffa, woulda, coulda but no way in hell do the Lakers win those two rings with Zo instead of Pau. You hugely underestimate Pau's impact on winning and overestimate Zo's.

[Y2K]

Pau is the clearly superior offensive player.

Zo the clearly superior defensive player.

Like others have said, the two 2nd dog rings give Pau the edge.

I don't believe Pau was the superior player when it comes to productivity though. Skill wise and versatility wise, yes he was better.

Pau did more with less in Memphis and was a key guy in two rings.

Iffa, woulda, coulda but no way in hell do the Lakers win those two rings with Zo instead of Pau. You hugely underestimate Pau's impact on winning and overestimate Zo's.

My position isn't pro-Zo or anti-Pau. I just disagree with the notion that Pau was clearly superior offensively because the stats do not reflect that. Neither guy was a big time scorer at their peaks, which would have widened the gap between them on that side of the ball....atleast in my opinion.

Defensively, while having a tendency to be a bit undisciplined, was one of the best defenders of his time.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I don't believe Pau was the superior player when it comes to productivity though. Skill wise and versatility wise, yes he was better.

Pau did more with less in Memphis and was a key guy in two rings.

Iffa, woulda, coulda but no way in hell do the Lakers win those two rings with Zo instead of Pau. You hugely underestimate Pau's impact on winning and overestimate Zo's.

My position isn't pro-Zo or anti-Pau. I just disagree with the notion that Pau was clearly superior offensively because the stats do not reflect that. Neither guy was a big time scorer at their peaks, which would have widened the gap between them on that side of the ball....atleast in my opinion.

Defensively, while having a tendency to be a bit undisciplined, was one of the best defenders of his time.

I disagree that Zo is near Pau offensively. He was a much poorer passer, turned it over far more and had a much more limited skill set which made him less adaptable. His offensive IQ was lower as evidenced by things as elementary as screen setting. Pau could play inside, at the top of the key, or pretty much anywhere inside the three point line and be effective. That simply wasn't the case with Zo.