Kobe admits he was wrong and a dumbfuck when dealing with Shaq back in the day

[Kingcarl24]

I love this fine line TDK has to now walk. Can't hype Pippen up too much or it diminishes what MJ did. Can't be too slack then or Kobe is seen as a better player.

[thedangerouskitchen]

As I pointed out earlier, the lakers had no problem scoring the ball (7th offensively) in large part to Kobe scoring/drawing all of the attention (notice the 4 defenders in my avatar). It was defensively they had their issues, and defense is in large part why grant and the Bulls were so good. Their raw offensive numbers may be comparable, but to say they had similar effects on the court is ridiculous

I'm responding to rob'fakecelts'fan's drivel... and FTR those Bulls were so good Defensively because of Pippen. Period, end of story (evidenced by the fact that the 95 Bulls were just as good Defensively, and Grant wasn't on the team).

Hahahaha, oh ya? The bulls only won rings because of Phil Jackson, evidenced by the fact that they never won before him or after him. Period end of story.


(Anyone can look like an idiotic jackass if they want)

You claimed Defense was a large part of why "Grant" and the Bulls were so good in 94... I pointed out that the 95 Bulls were just as good and Grant wasn't on the team.

That's a fact.

Why do you idiots insist on undermining the Value / Impact of Pippen's Defense?

Tell me, who was responsible for the Bulls' #2 Defensive rating in 95?

Grant? Nope... no longer on the team. Jordan? Nope... he only played 17 games that year. Kukoc...? Kerr...? BJ...? Luc freakin' Longley...????

Wrong-Wrong-Wrong... the answer is Scottie Maurice Pippen.

Period. End of story.

[thedangerouskitchen]

I love this fine line TDK has to now walk. Can't hype Pippen up too much or it diminishes what MJ did. Can't be too slack then or Kobe is seen as a better player.

Pippen is Top 20-25 all-time, and one of the 10 best all-around players ever in my book... I've always said that, and that in no way, shape or form diminishes Jordan.

[Kingcarl24]

I love this fine line TDK has to now walk. Can't hype Pippen up too much or it diminishes what MJ did. Can't be too slack then or Kobe is seen as a better player.

Pippen is Top 20-25 all-time, and one of the 10 best all-around players ever in my book... I've always said that, and that in no way, shape or form diminishes Jordan.

You're doing a good job. I'll definitely give you that.

[thedangerouskitchen]

injuries, coaches...defense...they all are irreverent.

05 Lakers: 28-38 with Kobe / 6-10 withOut him
94 Bulls: 51-21 with Pippen / 4-6 withOut him

how many game did Kobe and Odom (their 2nd best player) played together that yr?

oh...how convenient of you to leave out PJax...and Kobe practically played with a brand new team...where as Pippen had the same teammates.

Excuses are like assholes... only some stink more than others.

Your excuses smell pretty bad.

[Robceltsfan]

Who's better TDK...........Lebron or Pippen?

[Robceltsfan]

05 Lakers: 28-38 with Kobe / 6-10 withOut him
94 Bulls: 51-21 with Pippen / 4-6 withOut him

how many game did Kobe and Odom (their 2nd best player) played together that yr?

oh...how convenient of you to leave out PJax...and Kobe practically played with a brand new team...where as Pippen had the same teammates.

Excuses are like assholes... only some stink more than others.

Your excuses smell pretty bad.

Coming from the king of lame excuses.....that falls on deaf ears.

NEXT!!!

[wailuaFC]

I'm responding to rob'fakecelts'fan's drivel... and FTR those Bulls were so good Defensively because of Pippen. Period, end of story (evidenced by the fact that the 95 Bulls were just as good Defensively, and Grant wasn't on the team).

Hahahaha, oh ya? The bulls only won rings because of Phil Jackson, evidenced by the fact that they never won before him or after him. Period end of story.


(Anyone can look like an idiotic jackass if they want)

You claimed Defense was a large part of why "Grant" and the Bulls were so good in 94... I pointed out that the 95 Bulls were just as good and Grant wasn't on the team.

That's a fact.

Why do you idiots insist on undermining the Value / Impact of Pippen's Defense?

Tell me, who was responsible for the Bulls' #2 Defensive rating in 95?

Grant? Nope... no longer on the team. Jordan? Nope... he only played 17 games that year. Kukoc...? Kerr...? BJ...? Luc freakin' Longley...????

Wrong-Wrong-Wrong... the answer is Scottie Maurice Pippen.

Period. End of story.



Scottie

You're absolutely right, grant made the all star team because he was a very good offensive player and pippen is probably the goat perimeter defender, capable of single handily leading a team to the #2 defense in the league. It's too bad Jordan had to be there to ruin their defense year after year, they probably would have been better trading Jordan for a serviceable center and keeping grant for all those awesome offensive outbursts, now that'd be a dynasty!

[Macrotus]

05 Lakers: 28-38 with Kobe / 6-10 withOut him
94 Bulls: 51-21 with Pippen / 4-6 withOut him

how many game did Kobe and Odom (their 2nd best player) played together that yr?

oh...how convenient of you to leave out PJax...and Kobe practically played with a brand new team...where as Pippen had the same teammates.

Excuses are like assholes... only some stink more than others.

Your excuses smell pretty bad.

Rose's bulls are garbage...can't even sniff a Finals on the weak East.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Fine TDK.....Pippen is a God.


JUST HOW MUCH HELP DID MJ NEED????????

He wasn't a God... but he WAS most certainly a hell of a lot better than many give him credit for being.

No, he's given pretty much EXACTLY the amount of credit he deserved, as evidenced by his lack of success without MJ or PJax.

Stupid logic... coming from you that's not surprising. Case in point: What did MJ accomplish withOut Pippen and Jackson?

[Robceltsfan]

He wasn't a God... but he WAS most certainly a hell of a lot better than many give him credit for being.

No, he's given pretty much EXACTLY the amount of credit he deserved, as evidenced by his lack of success without MJ or PJax.

Stupid logic... coming from you that's not surprising. Case in point: What did MJ accomplish withOut Pippen and Jackson?

It's the same fucking logic you're using for most of your points.

Durrrrrrrr.....Pippen > Kobe......Durrrrrrr......teammates/coaching don't matter.......Durrrrrrr........Lamar Odom is as good as Horace Grant............DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[LookAway]

how many game did Kobe and Odom (their 2nd best player) played together that yr?

oh...how convenient of you to leave out PJax...and Kobe practically played with a brand new team...where as Pippen had the same teammates.

Excuses are like assholes... only some stink more than others.

Your excuses smell pretty bad.

Rose's bulls are garbage...can't even sniff a Finals on the weak East.

At least now we know why he doesn't show up for work. He's wanted

[thedangerouskitchen]

Hahahaha, oh ya? The bulls only won rings because of Phil Jackson, evidenced by the fact that they never won before him or after him. Period end of story.


(Anyone can look like an idiotic jackass if they want)

You claimed Defense was a large part of why "Grant" and the Bulls were so good in 94... I pointed out that the 95 Bulls were just as good and Grant wasn't on the team.

That's a fact.

Why do you idiots insist on undermining the Value / Impact of Pippen's Defense?

Tell me, who was responsible for the Bulls' #2 Defensive rating in 95?

Grant? Nope... no longer on the team. Jordan? Nope... he only played 17 games that year. Kukoc...? Kerr...? BJ...? Luc freakin' Longley...????

Wrong-Wrong-Wrong... the answer is Scottie Maurice Pippen.

Period. End of story.



Scottie

You're absolutely right, grant made the all star team because he was a very good offensive player and pippen is probably the goat perimeter defender, capable of single handily leading a team to the #2 defense in the league. It's too bad Jordan had to be there to ruin their defense year after year, they probably would have been better trading Jordan for a serviceable center and keeping grant for all those awesome offensive outbursts, now that'd be a dynasty!

Sooooo... how did the 95 Bulls finish #2 in Defense withOut Grant and, for the most part, withOut MJ?

Kukoc was a below-average defender... as was Kerr. BJ was average. Wil Perdue (lol)... Bill Wennington and Pete Myers...??

Come on...

[thedangerouskitchen]

No, he's given pretty much EXACTLY the amount of credit he deserved, as evidenced by his lack of success without MJ or PJax.

Stupid logic... coming from you that's not surprising. Case in point: What did MJ accomplish withOut Pippen and Jackson?

It's the same fucking logic you're using for most of your points.

Durrrrrrrr.....Pippen > Kobe......Durrrrrrr......teammates/coaching don't matter.......Durrrrrrr........Lamar Odom is as good as Horace Grant............DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

"My" logic...????

Again... you are the one who initiated this exchange by pointing to Pippen's "all star" teammates, and diminishing the help Kobe had around him.

I provided facts that show 05 Odom, Atkins and Butler were just as good as 94 "all stars" BJ and Grant.

Walk it off...

[Robceltsfan]

Stupid logic... coming from you that's not surprising. Case in point: What did MJ accomplish withOut Pippen and Jackson?

It's the same fucking logic you're using for most of your points.

Durrrrrrrr.....Pippen > Kobe......Durrrrrrr......teammates/coaching don't matter.......Durrrrrrr........Lamar Odom is as good as Horace Grant............DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

"My" logic...????

Again... you are the one who initiated this exchange by pointing to Pippen's "all star" teammates, and diminishing the help Kobe had around him.

I provided facts that show 05 Odom, Atkins and Butler were just as good as 94 "all stars" BJ and Grant.

Walk it off...

"Stats" don't equal "as good" unless you're going to agree that Nique was as good as Jordan. Somebody has to score points doofus.

It's funny how you denounce stats and advanced metrics when it fits your agenda..........and then espouse the very same stats and advanced metrics when it fits your agenda.

You are the worst troll here.....as usual.

[thedangerouskitchen]

It's the same fucking logic you're using for most of your points.

Durrrrrrrr.....Pippen > Kobe......Durrrrrrr......teammates/coaching don't matter.......Durrrrrrr........Lamar Odom is as good as Horace Grant............DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

"My" logic...????

Again... you are the one who initiated this exchange by pointing to Pippen's "all star" teammates, and diminishing the help Kobe had around him.

I provided facts that show 05 Odom, Atkins and Butler were just as good as 94 "all stars" BJ and Grant.

Walk it off...

"Stats" don't equal "as good" unless you're going to agree that Nique was as good as Jordan. Somebody has to score points doofus.

It's funny how you denounce stats and advanced metrics when it fits your agenda..........and then espouse the very same stats and advanced metrics when it fits your agenda.

You are the worst troll here.....as usual.

Pippen was, far and away, THE reason the 94 and 95 Bulls were so good Defensively. Kobe, on the other hand, is THE most over-rated Defender in NBA history.

You still have no point.

Next...

[Deez]

Hahahaha, oh ya? The bulls only won rings because of Phil Jackson, evidenced by the fact that they never won before him or after him. Period end of story.


(Anyone can look like an idiotic jackass if they want)

You claimed Defense was a large part of why "Grant" and the Bulls were so good in 94... I pointed out that the 95 Bulls were just as good and Grant wasn't on the team.

That's a fact.

Why do you idiots insist on undermining the Value / Impact of Pippen's Defense?

Tell me, who was responsible for the Bulls' #2 Defensive rating in 95?

Grant? Nope... no longer on the team. Jordan? Nope... he only played 17 games that year. Kukoc...? Kerr...? BJ...? Luc freakin' Longley...????

Wrong-Wrong-Wrong... the answer is Scottie Maurice Pippen.

Period. End of story.



Scottie

You're absolutely right, grant made the all star team because he was a very good offensive player and pippen is probably the goat perimeter defender, capable of single handily leading a team to the #2 defense in the league. It's too bad Jordan had to be there to ruin their defense year after year, they probably would have been better trading Jordan for a serviceable center and keeping grant for all those awesome offensive outbursts, now that'd be a dynasty!

one of the dumbest statements you've made Robby

[Repeat3peat]

You claimed Defense was a large part of why "Grant" and the Bulls were so good in 94... I pointed out that the 95 Bulls were just as good and Grant wasn't on the team.

That's a fact.

Why do you idiots insist on undermining the Value / Impact of Pippen's Defense?

Tell me, who was responsible for the Bulls' #2 Defensive rating in 95?

Grant? Nope... no longer on the team. Jordan? Nope... he only played 17 games that year. Kukoc...? Kerr...? BJ...? Luc freakin' Longley...????

Wrong-Wrong-Wrong... the answer is Scottie Maurice Pippen.

Period. End of story.



Scottie

You're absolutely right, grant made the all star team because he was a very good offensive player and pippen is probably the goat perimeter defender, capable of single handily leading a team to the #2 defense in the league. It's too bad Jordan had to be there to ruin their defense year after year, they probably would have been better trading Jordan for a serviceable center and keeping grant for all those awesome offensive outbursts, now that'd be a dynasty!

one of the dumbest statements you've made Robby

lol @ LeRob Wally

[Deez]

[wailuaFC]

You claimed Defense was a large part of why "Grant" and the Bulls were so good in 94... I pointed out that the 95 Bulls were just as good and Grant wasn't on the team.

That's a fact.

Why do you idiots insist on undermining the Value / Impact of Pippen's Defense?

Tell me, who was responsible for the Bulls' #2 Defensive rating in 95?

Grant? Nope... no longer on the team. Jordan? Nope... he only played 17 games that year. Kukoc...? Kerr...? BJ...? Luc freakin' Longley...????

Wrong-Wrong-Wrong... the answer is Scottie Maurice Pippen.

Period. End of story.



Scottie

You're absolutely right, grant made the all star team because he was a very good offensive player and pippen is probably the goat perimeter defender, capable of single handily leading a team to the #2 defense in the league. It's too bad Jordan had to be there to ruin their defense year after year, they probably would have been better trading Jordan for a serviceable center and keeping grant for all those awesome offensive outbursts, now that'd be a dynasty!

one of the dumbest statements you've made Robby

*wailua, and is it really any more dumb then saying pippen was the sole reason the Bulls had the #2 defense "period end of story"?