2015 Anger General Greatest post-merger Players of All Time #6

[Y2K]

The results are in. Shaquille O'Neal was voted as the #5 Greatest Post-Merger Player of All Time.

Each thread will be stickied to the general board until the given round is over. Nominations during this round are open.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Tim Duncan
3. Earvin Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Shaquille O'Neal

Begin by casting your vote for #6 from these candidates:


Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 6

Kobe Bryant - 2

Lebron James - 5

Hakeem Olajuwon - 4




Total Votes: 17

[elmouse03]

Kareem

[americaninfidel]

Kareem.

[l3bron]

Someone post Kareem's post-merger resume. On my phone and too lazy to look it up.

[Y2K]

Someone post Kareem's post-merger resume. On my phone and too lazy to look it up.

I'll text it to you.

[Y2K]

Kareem from 1977-89:

5× NBA champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–1988)
1× NBA Finals MVP (1985)
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (1977, 1980)
12× NBA All-Star (1977, 1979–1989)
5× All-NBA First Team (1977, 1980–1981, 1984, 1986)
4× All-NBA Second Team (1978–1979, 1983, 1985)
3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1979–1981)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1977–1978, 1984)
2× NBA blocks leader (1979–1980)

1011 games

9021/15792 fg = 58% FG
3858/5188 ft = 74%
21901 pts = 21.7 ppg
8896 rbs = 8.8 rpg
3239 ast = 3.2 apg
2356 blk = 2.3 bpg

[Deez]

Kareem

[vcsgrizzfan]

Wilt, because if he wanted to, he could still have been averaging 35 and 15 all the way through the 80s.

[FPL]

Vote is for Dream. Maybe he can get some support here. Also, I nominate KG.

I think most will put him in the top, top echelon among defenders (on their Mount Rushmores). At his peak, also a monster offensively. Here's some data:

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and the obligatory beautiful tape (if he doesn't pass your eye test, nobody does):

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Came into the league as a monster, and dominated early on:

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His mid-season years were wasted because of four dudes...Ralph Sampson (too fragile, was moved), and the trio of John Lucas, Lewis Lloyd, and Mitchell Wiggins. Another great read from Grantland. From 88-92, his teams were in a state of constant turmoil.

For those interested, the 1991 series vs LA is online, a rematch of their series the year before (final playoff games before his offensive peak of 93, 94, 94, 96).

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He wasn't a perfect player. Had attitude issues early on, and got angry with his teammates when they underperformed. Passed out when doubled/tripled, not to create a play. Didn't have terrific discipline, fouled a ton. These issues were not a huge problem when he was at his best. Seattle's swarming defense also bothered him a ton, and for full disclosure, he didn't face them in 94, 95, and when he played them in 93, 96 they made his life difficult (though G7 in 93 is perhaps one of the worst refereed games in playoff history).

Still, 13 very high quality years (84-85 through 96-97), and a couple more starter caliber years from a GOAT level defender and one of the most effective post players in league history is nothing to sneeze at, certainly.

I'll have some quotes later on or in the next thread if he doesn't get much traction, but a lot of the video really speaks for itself.

[l3bron]

I honestly think Lebron should go here. Only advantage Kareem has is titles.

[Macrotus]

rolf...because of longevity...Duncan moved up all the way to #2 while Kobe moving down on the ranking.

The bias never seize to amaze me on this board.

[l3bron]

Longevity isn't the ONLY reason Duncan made it over Magic you dunce.

[elmouse03]

rolf...because of longevity...Duncan moved up all the way to #2 while Kobe moving down on the ranking.

The bias never seize to amaze me on this board.

this board is a lot better towards Kobe then a lot of other ones. We have him in our top 10 all time at 8 while most have him at like 13 I think.

[Macrotus]

Longevity isn't the ONLY reason Duncan made it over Magic you dunce.

It's ONE of two reasons...

[l3bron]

Longevity isn't the ONLY reason Duncan made it over Magic you dunce.

It's ONE of two reasons...

The other reason is that he's better than Kobe.

[Y2K]

I honestly think Lebron should go here. Only advantage Kareem has is titles.

That's a big advantage in a lot of people'opinion.

[Macrotus]

Longevity isn't the ONLY reason Duncan made it over Magic you dunce.

It's ONE of two reasons...

The other reason is that he's better than Kobe.

uh...where in my post I say he is better.

[l3bron]

I honestly think Lebron should go here. Only advantage Kareem has is titles.

That's a big advantage in a lot of people'opinion.

I hope those people have Bill Russell as the unquestioned GOAT.

[Y2K]

I honestly think Lebron should go here. Only advantage Kareem has is titles.

That's a big advantage in a lot of people'opinion.

I hope those people have Bill Russell as the unquestioned GOAT.

Why do you say that?

[Deez]

That's a big advantage in a lot of people'opinion.

I hope those people have Bill Russell as the unquestioned GOAT.

Why do you say that?

She thinks that rings are their only reason for where they place players on the GOAT list.