Why is the concept of God so hard to believe?

[CleveTown™]

The thought of Creative Design is not difficult to comprehend or believe.

The thought of believing ANY of the man-made religions is absolutely asinine and delusional.

dont pay attention to religion. Just believe on the Lord and His Word, the Bible. And be saved.

That's religion. Somebody created that....a man or group of men. Please, keep wasting your time with it. For you; however, your belief in that fantasy probably saved your life (which is a good thing). Religion has it's merits...but authenticity isn't one of them.

you can be spiritual and not religious or affiliated with a religion.

[vcsgrizzfan]

..grizz/ghost/Robbie will all be in my prayers today...have a glorious day fellas...

Kind thoughts, whatever the motivation, are always a good thing. Cheers.

[Ghostown42]

Jordanzone talking to an atheist:

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Who's the emotional, attention seeker?

hyperbole?

You figured that out all by yourself? Aren't you a smart one.

[CleveTown™]

If you can listen to this hymn, and read the words, and not be saved after it, I can't help you any further. (My grandfather got saved after hearing this song. God's Word never returns to Him void.)

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[Robceltsfan]

If you can listen to this hymn, and read the words, and not be saved after it, I can't help you any further. (My grandfather got saved after hearing this song. God's Word never returns to Him void.)

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Dude, it's a sales pitch. You either buy into the sales pitch or you don't. I can guaran-fuckin-tee you that your constant babbling about God, Jesus and Christianity won't convert a single person on this board. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if there was anyone on the fence about "being saved" prior to listening to you, they have likely been pushed AWAY from that path.

My $.02.

[CleveTown™]

If you can listen to this hymn, and read the words, and not be saved after it, I can't help you any further. (My grandfather got saved after hearing this song. God's Word never returns to Him void.)

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Dude, it's a sales pitch. You either buy into the sales pitch or you don't. I can guaran-fuckin-tee you that your constant babbling about God, Jesus and Christianity won't convert a single person on this board. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if there was anyone on the fence about "being saved" prior to listening to you, they have likely been pushed AWAY from that path.

My $.02.

Well luckily for me, it is the Power of God that one is saved. God used murders, utterly vile men in the past in His day, before, and even still now to bring people to Christ.

Paul killed Jews, King David wasn't the kindest of men--setting up the husband of the wife he knocked up to be killed so he didn't find out...God can use anyone...might I say even the "unlikeliest" of those who serve Him.

[Robceltsfan]

If you can listen to this hymn, and read the words, and not be saved after it, I can't help you any further. (My grandfather got saved after hearing this song. God's Word never returns to Him void.)

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Dude, it's a sales pitch. You either buy into the sales pitch or you don't. I can guaran-fuckin-tee you that your constant babbling about God, Jesus and Christianity won't convert a single person on this board. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if there was anyone on the fence about "being saved" prior to listening to you, they have likely been pushed AWAY from that path.

My $.02.

Well luckily for me, it is the Power of God that one is saved. God used murders, utterly vile men in the past in His day, before, and even still now to bring people to Christ.

Paul killed Jews, King David wasn't the kindest of men--setting up the husband of the wife he knocked up to be killed so he didn't find out...God can use anyone...might I say even the "unlikeliest" of those who serve Him.

I'm 99.99964% sure you completely missed my point.

[CleveTown™]

Dude, it's a sales pitch. You either buy into the sales pitch or you don't. I can guaran-fuckin-tee you that your constant babbling about God, Jesus and Christianity won't convert a single person on this board. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that if there was anyone on the fence about "being saved" prior to listening to you, they have likely been pushed AWAY from that path.

My $.02.

Well luckily for me, it is the Power of God that one is saved. God used murders, utterly vile men in the past in His day, before, and even still now to bring people to Christ.

Paul killed Jews, King David wasn't the kindest of men--setting up the husband of the wife he knocked up to be killed so he didn't find out...God can use anyone...might I say even the "unlikeliest" of those who serve Him.

I'm 99.99964% sure you completely missed my point.

Your point was to draw light to the fact that my conduct on theforum is a bad reprsentation of Christ and His message. I pointed out that God can use anyone. Because it is the MESSAGE THAT OUTSHINES THE SINS OF THE MAN offering it.

Awake Rob. The time has come. Let the Lord melt your heart of stone and accept Him and who He is--the Creator, the Lord of lords and King of kings. Your redeemer. He loves you. Jesus came not to condemn you, but to save you. That's the TRUTH.

[Robceltsfan]

Well luckily for me, it is the Power of God that one is saved. God used murders, utterly vile men in the past in His day, before, and even still now to bring people to Christ.

Paul killed Jews, King David wasn't the kindest of men--setting up the husband of the wife he knocked up to be killed so he didn't find out...God can use anyone...might I say even the "unlikeliest" of those who serve Him.

I'm 99.99964% sure you completely missed my point.

Your point was to draw light to the fact that my conduct on theforum is a bad reprsentation of Christ and His message. I pointed out that God can use anyone. Because it is the MESSAGE THAT OUTSHINES THE SINS OF THE MAN offering it.

Awake Rob. The time has come. Let the Lord melt your heart of stone and accept Him and who He is--the Creator, the Lord of lords and King of kings. Your redeemer. He loves you. Jesus came not to condemn you, but to save you. That's the TRUTH.

I wouldn't follow you to find God any more than I would follow a camel to find water. It just wouldn't make sense.

[lettherebehouse]

As per the usual, Clevetown straight wreckin all the hellbound Atheists in this muahfuggin thread. Wit the swiftness too, I might add.

[CleveTown™]

I wouldn't follow you to find God any more than I would follow a camel to find water. It just wouldn't make sense.

Quit thinking about me. Take me out of it bro, Whether I'm here or not, whether you ever met me or not, God's message remains and is still there.

Pay attention to the message, not me.

[CleveTown™]

As per the usual, Clevetown straight wreckin all the hellbound Atheists in this muahfuggin thread. Wit the swiftness too, I might add.

God Bless you House. The Lord loves you.

[lettherebehouse]

As per the usual, Clevetown straight wreckin all the hellbound Atheists in this muahfuggin thread. Wit the swiftness too, I might add.

God Bless you House. The Lord loves you.

[Robceltsfan]

I wouldn't follow you to find God any more than I would follow a camel to find water. It just wouldn't make sense.

Quit thinking about me. Take me out of it bro, Whether I'm here or not, whether you ever met me or not, God's message remains and is still there.

Pay attention to the message, not me.

Messages only get listened to when conveyed by the proper medium. That's why cult leaders can convince people to drink the Koolaid. That's why a guy like Hitler can rise to power.

When the message of Christianity is conveyed on this board by a man who conducts himself in the manner you do, the message falls on deaf ears no matter how enticing the message itself might be. That's why every single one of your religious-themed threads is viewed as troll bait here....BECAUSE YOU'RE A TROLL.

Get it?

[CleveTown™]

I wouldn't follow you to find God any more than I would follow a camel to find water. It just wouldn't make sense.

Quit thinking about me. Take me out of it bro, Whether I'm here or not, whether you ever met me or not, God's message remains and is still there.

Pay attention to the message, not me.

Messages only get listened to when conveyed by the proper medium. That's why cult leaders can convince people to drink the Koolaid. That's why a guy like Hitler can rise to power.

When the message of Christianity is conveyed on this board by a man who conducts himself in the manner you do, the message falls on deaf ears no matter how enticing the message itself might be. That's why every single one of your religious-themed threads is viewed as troll bait here....BECAUSE YOU'RE A TROLL.

Get it?

LOl. the message doesn't need a messenger. The message is THERE. At your fingertips. The Bible in on the internet, you can read it online or you can go anywhere and listen to sermons on how to be saved. I'm a grain of sand in terms of messengers out there.

Please don't say what you;re saying as an excuse. it's weak.

[Robceltsfan]

Quit thinking about me. Take me out of it bro, Whether I'm here or not, whether you ever met me or not, God's message remains and is still there.

Pay attention to the message, not me.

Messages only get listened to when conveyed by the proper medium. That's why cult leaders can convince people to drink the Koolaid. That's why a guy like Hitler can rise to power.

When the message of Christianity is conveyed on this board by a man who conducts himself in the manner you do, the message falls on deaf ears no matter how enticing the message itself might be. That's why every single one of your religious-themed threads is viewed as troll bait here....BECAUSE YOU'RE A TROLL.

Get it?

LOl. the message doesn't need a messenger. The message is THERE. At your fingertips. The Bible in on the internet, you can read it online or you can go anywhere and listen to sermons on how to be saved. I'm a grain of sand in terms of messengers out there.

Please don't say what you;re saying as an excuse. it's weak.

I've read the Bible from front to back. I have no excuses. It's a poorly written science-fiction novel that is full of holes and plays on the fears of humanity. It's based on an extremely hateful and imperfect God who his followers claim is perfect and infallible. The whole thing is a political sham and has riddled this planet with hate, judgement and war for almost 2,000 years.

What I'm trying to tell you is that nobody is going to want to pursue Christianity based on your rantings here. They will be turned off to the idea.

[CleveTown™]

Messages only get listened to when conveyed by the proper medium. That's why cult leaders can convince people to drink the Koolaid. That's why a guy like Hitler can rise to power.

When the message of Christianity is conveyed on this board by a man who conducts himself in the manner you do, the message falls on deaf ears no matter how enticing the message itself might be. That's why every single one of your religious-themed threads is viewed as troll bait here....BECAUSE YOU'RE A TROLL.

Get it?

LOl. the message doesn't need a messenger. The message is THERE. At your fingertips. The Bible in on the internet, you can read it online or you can go anywhere and listen to sermons on how to be saved. I'm a grain of sand in terms of messengers out there.

Please don't say what you;re saying as an excuse. it's weak.

I've read the Bible from front to back. I have no excuses. It's a poorly written science-fiction novel that is full of holes and plays on the fears of humanity. It's based on an extremely hateful and imperfect God who his followers claim is perfect and infallible. The whole thing is a political sham and has riddled this planet with hate, judgement and war for almost 2,000 years.

What I'm trying to tell you is that nobody is going to want to pursue Christianity based on your rantings here. They will be turned off to the idea.

well ok, i get what your saying. No one wants to listen to a guy constantly rant about the Bible per se. But I don't. Maybe once or twice a month I'll have a big production, but it's not an every day thing.

And I'm saddened that you read the Bible with such a closed mind. Perhaps you read it with preconceived notions? It's fiction. Not real. That would dampen your experience.

You don't NEED the Bible to be saved. You need to believe in Jesus and accept what Him dying on the cross means for you, though.

[Robceltsfan]

LOl. the message doesn't need a messenger. The message is THERE. At your fingertips. The Bible in on the internet, you can read it online or you can go anywhere and listen to sermons on how to be saved. I'm a grain of sand in terms of messengers out there.

Please don't say what you;re saying as an excuse. it's weak.

I've read the Bible from front to back. I have no excuses. It's a poorly written science-fiction novel that is full of holes and plays on the fears of humanity. It's based on an extremely hateful and imperfect God who his followers claim is perfect and infallible. The whole thing is a political sham and has riddled this planet with hate, judgement and war for almost 2,000 years.

What I'm trying to tell you is that nobody is going to want to pursue Christianity based on your rantings here. They will be turned off to the idea.

well ok, i get what your saying. No one wants to listen to a guy constantly rant about the Bible per se. But I don't. Maybe once or twice a month I'll have a big production, but it's not an every day thing.

And I'm saddened that you read the Bible with such a closed mind. Perhaps you read it with preconceived notions? It's fiction. Not real. That would dampen your experience.

You don't NEED the Bible to be saved. You need to believe in Jesus and accept what Him dying on the cross means for you, though.

I read the Bible in my teenage years...as a believer. My parents both believe in God. My Father died believing in God. I made my own mind up over the years. The stories/scriptures/timeline/dogma........is just too unbelievable to me. There is no closed mind here. I give everything a fair shake, but I can't place my faith in that book. It simply doesn't make sense and the only thing that would possibly lead me back to it is the FEAR that I'll be punished if I don't.

FEAR is no reason to believe in an all-loving deity.

[CleveTown™]

I've read the Bible from front to back. I have no excuses. It's a poorly written science-fiction novel that is full of holes and plays on the fears of humanity. It's based on an extremely hateful and imperfect God who his followers claim is perfect and infallible. The whole thing is a political sham and has riddled this planet with hate, judgement and war for almost 2,000 years.

What I'm trying to tell you is that nobody is going to want to pursue Christianity based on your rantings here. They will be turned off to the idea.

well ok, i get what your saying. No one wants to listen to a guy constantly rant about the Bible per se. But I don't. Maybe once or twice a month I'll have a big production, but it's not an every day thing.

And I'm saddened that you read the Bible with such a closed mind. Perhaps you read it with preconceived notions? It's fiction. Not real. That would dampen your experience.

You don't NEED the Bible to be saved. You need to believe in Jesus and accept what Him dying on the cross means for you, though.

I read the Bible in my teenage years...as a believer. My parents both believe in God. My Father died believing in God. I made my own mind up over the years. The stories/scriptures/timeline/dogma........is just too unbelievable to me. There is no closed mind here. I give everything a fair shake, but I can't place my faith in that book. It simply doesn't make sense and the only thing that would possibly lead me back to it is the FEAR that I'll be punished if I don't.

FEAR is no reason to believe in an all-loving deity.

Ok. You can't believe in a Book. What about a Creator? Surely you are intelligent enough to know that there was some sort of Intelligent Design behind everything we see....I mean right? You have to. What person wouldn't?

[Robceltsfan]

well ok, i get what your saying. No one wants to listen to a guy constantly rant about the Bible per se. But I don't. Maybe once or twice a month I'll have a big production, but it's not an every day thing.

And I'm saddened that you read the Bible with such a closed mind. Perhaps you read it with preconceived notions? It's fiction. Not real. That would dampen your experience.

You don't NEED the Bible to be saved. You need to believe in Jesus and accept what Him dying on the cross means for you, though.

I read the Bible in my teenage years...as a believer. My parents both believe in God. My Father died believing in God. I made my own mind up over the years. The stories/scriptures/timeline/dogma........is just too unbelievable to me. There is no closed mind here. I give everything a fair shake, but I can't place my faith in that book. It simply doesn't make sense and the only thing that would possibly lead me back to it is the FEAR that I'll be punished if I don't.

FEAR is no reason to believe in an all-loving deity.

Ok. You can't believe in a Book. What about a Creator? Surely you are intelligent enough to know that there was some sort of Intelligent Design behind everything we see....I mean right? You have to. What person wouldn't?

I can't deny the possibility of a creator any more than you can prove one existed/exists. Sure, it's possible. But I will maintain a position that said creator is no more than a kid with a science experiment, and we are no more than one of probably millions of species throughout the universe that is no more special than the other.

Creative Design does not prove an afterlife.