2015 Anger General Greatest post-merger Players of All Time #1

[Robceltsfan]

And if Bird's 2nd team appearance isn't worthy, we'll only count seasons where the players were 1st-team All-NBA.

Magic 9
Bird 9

Now it's a fair bet.

[AbeVigodaLive]

And if Bird's 2nd team appearance isn't worthy, we'll only count seasons where the players were 1st-team All-NBA.

Magic 9
Bird 9

Now it's a fair bet.

Nope. Coupled with those extra 9 games (which came when Magic returned as a ground-bound round mound of goo as a no-defense-playing PF)... Magic definitely destroys him in longevity.

[ripper76]

Magic

[Robceltsfan]

Magic

[ripper76]

Magic

I'd vote for Bird, but he's not a nominee.

[Robceltsfan]

Magic

I'd vote for Bird, but he's not a nominee.

[Y2K]

So, 11 superstar years vs. 10.5?

Really?

Bird's top years are 80-88. That's 9 seasons vs 11. I left out 1990 as I don't consider that to be a superstar season by Bird standards.

Even then 11 vs 9 is not a huge gap but it can become more of a focus when the quantity of seasons played is lacking.

24 / 10 / 8 / 47% in 1990.

24 / 10 / 6 / 50% for his career.

What?
What?
WHAT???

The #s were pretty much there but he wasn't the same. He didn't quite have the same impact as he did before 1989.

but also keep in mind that his career #s from 80-88 were better than that 1990 season. Compare those.

***Remember, not by Bird's standards. It isn't too say that 1990 wasn't a great season because it was.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Bird's top years are 80-88. That's 9 seasons vs 11. I left out 1990 as I don't consider that to be a superstar season by Bird standards.

Even then 11 vs 9 is not a huge gap but it can become more of a focus when the quantity of seasons played is lacking.

24 / 10 / 8 / 47% in 1990.

24 / 10 / 6 / 50% for his career.

What?
What?
WHAT???

The #s were pretty much there but he wasn't the same. He didn't quite have the same impact as he did before 1989.

but also keep in mind that his career #s from 80-88 were better than that 1990 season. Compare those.

***Remember, not by Bird's standards. It isn't too say that 1990 wasn't a great season because it was.

Fair enough. Please remove Magic's rookie campaign since I don't think it compares favorably to his other seasons. Still a great season though.

Thanks.

[Robceltsfan]

24 / 10 / 8 / 47% in 1990.

24 / 10 / 6 / 50% for his career.

What?
What?
WHAT???

The #s were pretty much there but he wasn't the same. He didn't quite have the same impact as he did before 1989.

but also keep in mind that his career #s from 80-88 were better than that 1990 season. Compare those.

***Remember, not by Bird's standards. It isn't too say that 1990 wasn't a great season because it was.

Fair enough. Please remove Magic's rookie campaign since I don't think it compares favorably to his other seasons. Still a great season though.

Thanks.

Which again....leaves us at a 9v9 comparison. With Bird's peak being better.

[PhutureDynasty]

24 / 10 / 8 / 47% in 1990.

24 / 10 / 6 / 50% for his career.

What?
What?
WHAT???

The #s were pretty much there but he wasn't the same. He didn't quite have the same impact as he did before 1989.

but also keep in mind that his career #s from 80-88 were better than that 1990 season. Compare those.

***Remember, not by Bird's standards. It isn't too say that 1990 wasn't a great season because it was.

Fair enough. Please remove Magic's rookie campaign since I don't think it compares favorably to his other seasons. Still a great season though.

Thanks.

Let us strip that championship as well and give it to the most worthy candidate.

Wonder what team that is?

[Y2K]

The #s were pretty much there but he wasn't the same. He didn't quite have the same impact as he did before 1989.

but also keep in mind that his career #s from 80-88 were better than that 1990 season. Compare those.

***Remember, not by Bird's standards. It isn't too say that 1990 wasn't a great season because it was.

Fair enough. Please remove Magic's rookie campaign since I don't think it compares favorably to his other seasons. Still a great season though.

Thanks.

Let us strip that championship as well and give it to the most worthy candidate.

Wonder what team that is?

And that FMVP that he received.

[Robceltsfan]

Fair enough. Please remove Magic's rookie campaign since I don't think it compares favorably to his other seasons. Still a great season though.

Thanks.

Let us strip that championship as well and give it to the most worthy candidate.

Wonder what team that is?

And that FMVP that he received.

His name is now alongside greats like Kahwi Leonard and Andre Igoudala.

It is really beneficial to your team's chances when they have the MVP and a top 3 all-time player like Kareem playing for you.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Fair enough. Please remove Magic's rookie campaign since I don't think it compares favorably to his other seasons. Still a great season though.

Thanks.

Let us strip that championship as well and give it to the most worthy candidate.

Wonder what team that is?

And that FMVP that he received.

Wait... we went from discussing seasons to ONE game just to suit your argument now?

Stop.

[Y2K]

Let us strip that championship as well and give it to the most worthy candidate.

Wonder what team that is?

And that FMVP that he received.

His name is now alongside greats like Kahwi Leonard and Andre Igoudala.

It is really beneficial to your team's chances when they have the MVP and a top 3 all-time player like Kareem playing for you.

It sure is Beneficial. But it is what it is. Boston having a starting 5 of future HOFers was beneficial just as Jordan having Pip to form a potent perimeter duo was beneficial.

[Y2K]

Let us strip that championship as well and give it to the most worthy candidate.

Wonder what team that is?

And that FMVP that he received.

Wait... we went from discussing seasons to ONE game just to suit your argument now?

Stop.

Actually PhutureDynasty brought it up. But why should we disregard Magic's rookie year when he obviously had a great impact on his team's success, including winning FMVP?

Bird, in 1990 was on the court when his team blew a 2-0 lead in route to losing to a #7 seed in embarrassing fashion.

[PhutureDynasty]

I did bring it up in obvious satire fashion because it would mean the Sixers get another championship.

Pretty sure Y2K recognized this and played along.

Didn't think it would be construed any other way.

[Y2K]

I did bring it up in obvious satire fashion because it would mean the Sixers get another championship.

Pretty sure Y2K recognized this and played along.

Didn't think it would be construed any other way.

Indeed.

[AbeVigodaLive]

And that FMVP that he received.

Wait... we went from discussing seasons to ONE game just to suit your argument now?

Stop.

Actually PhutureDynasty brought it up. Why should we disregard Magic's rookie year when he obviously had a great impact on his team's success, including winning FMVP?

Bird, in 1990 was on the court when his team blew a 2-0 lead in route to losing to a #7 seed in embarrassing fashion.

And one could argue that Magic was THE reason his team lost the 1984 Finals with his colossal choke job. And let's not forget he was on the floor when an overmatched Houston team destroyed the Lakers. Magic let Robert Reid beat him?

You're being disingenuous in this thread. It's obvious for everyone.

[Bush4Ever]

Wait, why would someone switch their Bird/Magic vote from the original time we did this list?

There isn't any merger action to disrupt that ranking or any new information is there?

[Robceltsfan]

Wait, why would someone switch their Bird/Magic vote from the original time we did this list?

There isn't any merger action to disrupt that ranking or any new information is there?

I simply disliked the exclusion of Bird with the inclusion of Magic.....and Kareem GETTING VOTES in this #1 poll is either a troll....or people not putting any thought into what they're actually doing.