Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
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Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
AWARDS
MVPs:
Kobe - 1
LeBron - 4
Finals MVPs:
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 2
All-Star games:
Kobe - 10
LeBron - 10
Rookie of the Year:
Kobe - No
LeBron - Yes
All-NBA 1st Team:
Kobe - 6
LeBron - 7
All-NBA 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Team:
Kobe - 10
LeBron - 9
All-NBA Defensive 1st Team:
Kobe - 6
LeBron - 5
All-NBA Defensive 1st or 2nd Team:
Kobe - 8
LeBron - 5
Championships:
Kobe - 3
LeBron - 2
All-Star Game MVPs:
Kobe - 2
LeBron - 2
Dunk Contest Champion:
Kobe - 1
LeBron - 0
Player of the Week:
Kobe - 21
LeBron - 45
Player of the Month:
Kobe - 11
LeBron - 27
Rookie of the Month:
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 6
STATS - TOTALS (REGULAR SEASON)
Minutes Played:
Kobe - 31571
LeBron - 32582
Games Played:
Kobe - 866
LeBron - 824
Games Started:
Kobe - 718
LeBron - 823
Points:
Kobe - 21619
LeBron - 22673
FG's Made:
Kobe - 7456
LeBron - 8150
3 PT's Made:
Kobe - 1086
LeBron - 1107
FT's Made:
Kobe - 5621
LeBron - 5266
Offensive Rebounds:
Kobe - 1047
LeBron - 1012
Total Rebounds:
Kobe - 4590
LeBron - 5965
Assists:
Kobe - 4002
LeBron - 5684
Steals:
Kobe - 1321
LeBron - 1417
Blocks:
Kobe - 507
LeBron - 666
TO's:
Kobe - 2542
LeBron - 2729
STATS - AVERAGES (REGULAR SEASON)
MPG:
Kobe - 36.5
LeBron - 39.5
PPG:
Kobe - 25.0
LeBron - 27.5
FG%:
Kobe - 45.3%
LeBron - 49.6%
3pt%:
Kobe - 34.0%
LeBron - 34.0%
FT%:
Kobe - 83.9%
LeBron - 74.7%
RPG:
Kobe - 5.3
LeBron - 7.2
APG:
Kobe - 4.6
LeBron - 6.9
SPG:
Kobe - 1.5
LeBron - 1.7
BPG:
Kobe - 0.6
LeBron - 0.8
TOPG:
Kobe - 2.9
LeBron - 3.3
ADVANCED STATS - (REGULAR SEASON)
PER:
Kobe - 23.6
LeBron - 27.8
PER Leader in a Season:
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 6
Top 5 in PER in a Season:
Kobe - 4
LeBron - 7
Win Shares per 48 Min:
Kobe - 0.188
LeBron - 0.243
TS%:
Kobe - 55.7%
LeBron - 58.0%
eFG:
Kobe - 48.6%
LeBron - 52.9%
GAME ACCOMPLISHMENTS - (REGULAR SEASON)
Triple Doubles:
Kobe - 14
LeBron - 36
Double Doubles:
Kobe - 127
LeBron - 265
Games >= 60 Points
Kobe - 4
LeBron - 1
Games >= 50 Points
Kobe - 23
LeBron - 10
Games >= 40 Points
Kobe - 92
LeBron - 51
Games >= 30 Points
Kobe - 281
LeBron - 331
Games < 20 Points
Kobe - 278
LeBron - 136
Games < 10 Points
Kobe - 71
LeBron - 8
Games >= 10 Rebounds
Kobe - 85
LeBron - 171
Games < 5 Rebounds
Kobe - 363
LeBron - 136
Games 0 Rebounds
Kobe - 18
LeBron - 3
Games >= 10 Assists
Kobe - 57
LeBron - 131
Games < 5 Assists
Kobe - 459
LeBron - 157
Games 0 Assists
Kobe - 47
LeBron - 2
Games shooting >= 60%
Kobe - 103
LeBron - 151
Games shooting >= 50%
Kobe - 325
LeBron - 434
Games shooting < 45%
Kobe - 408
LeBron - 265
Games shooting < 40%
Kobe - 270
LeBron - 143
Games shooting < 30%
Kobe - 87
LeBron - 38
Games >= 5 TOs
Kobe - 162
LeBron - 199
Games < 2 TOs
Kobe - 215
LeBron - 122
Wins:
Kobe - 560
LeBron - 544
Winning %:
Kobe - 64.7%
LeBron - 66.0%
STATS - TOTALS (PLAYOFFS)
Minutes Played:
Kobe - 5948
LeBron - 5954
Games Played:
Kobe - 152
LeBron - 138
Games Started:
Kobe - 132
LeBron - 138
Points:
Kobe - 3686
LeBron - 3871
FG's Made:
Kobe - 1323
LeBron - 1327
3 PT's Made:
Kobe - 177
LeBron - 195
FT's Made:
Kobe - 863
LeBron - 1022
Offensive Rebounds:
Kobe - 161
LeBron - 223
Total Rebounds:
Kobe - 766
LeBron - 1191
Assists:
Kobe - 703
LeBron - 924
Steals:
Kobe - 209
LeBron - 236
Blocks:
Kobe - 102
LeBron - 127
TO's:
Kobe - 444
LeBron - 482
STATS - AVERAGES (PLAYOFFS)
MPG:
Kobe - 39.1
LeBron - 43.1
PPG:
Kobe - 24.3 (decrease)
LeBron - 28.1 (increase)
FG%:
Kobe - 44.5% (decrease)
LeBron - 47.2% (decrease)
3pt%:
Kobe - 32.5% (decrease)
LeBron - 32.2% (decrease)
FT%:
Kobe - 79.8% (decrease)
LeBron - 74.9% (increase)
RPG:
Kobe - 5.0 (decrease)
LeBron - 8.6 (increase)
APG:
Kobe - 4.6 (same)
LeBron - 6.7 (decrease)
SPG:
Kobe - 1.4 (decrease)
LeBron - 1.7 (same)
BPG:
Kobe - 0.7 (increase)
LeBron - 0.9 (increase)
TOPG:
Kobe - 2.9 (same)
LeBron - 3.5 (worse)
STATS - GAME ACCOMPLISHMENTS (PLAYOFFS)
Triple Doubles:
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 11
Double Doubles:
Kobe - 16
LeBron - 55
Games >= 60 Points
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 0
Games >= 50 Points
Kobe - 1
LeBron - 0
Games >= 40 Points
Kobe - 6
LeBron - 11
Games >= 30 Points
Kobe - 49
LeBron - 61
Games < 20 Points
Kobe - 42
LeBron - 19
Games < 10 Points
Kobe - 16
LeBron - 1
Games >= 10 Rebounds
Kobe - 11
LeBron - 47
Games < 5 Rebounds
Kobe - 70
LeBron - 10
Games 0 Rebounds
Kobe - 8
LeBron - 0
Games >= 10 Assists
Kobe - 5
LeBron - 19
Games < 5 Assists
Kobe - 68
LeBron - 28
Games 0 Assists
Kobe - 9
LeBron - 0
Games shooting >= 60%
Kobe - 14
LeBron - 21
Games shooting >= 50%
Kobe - 51
LeBron - 52
Games shooting < 45%
Kobe - 73
LeBron - 62
Games shooting < 40%
Kobe - 52
LeBron - 33
Games shooting < 30%
Kobe - 13
LeBron - 8
Games >= 5 TOs
Kobe - 29
LeBron - 39
Games < 2 TOs
Kobe - 37
LeBron - 20
Wins:
Kobe - 94
LeBron - 88
Winning %:
Kobe - 61.8%
LeBron - 63.8%
TOTAL CATEGORIES LEAD:
Kobe - 25
LeBron - 82
MVPs:
Kobe - 1
LeBron - 4
Finals MVPs:
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 2
All-Star games:
Kobe - 10
LeBron - 10
Rookie of the Year:
Kobe - No
LeBron - Yes
All-NBA 1st Team:
Kobe - 6
LeBron - 7
All-NBA 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Team:
Kobe - 10
LeBron - 9
All-NBA Defensive 1st Team:
Kobe - 6
LeBron - 5
All-NBA Defensive 1st or 2nd Team:
Kobe - 8
LeBron - 5
Championships:
Kobe - 3
LeBron - 2
All-Star Game MVPs:
Kobe - 2
LeBron - 2
Dunk Contest Champion:
Kobe - 1
LeBron - 0
Player of the Week:
Kobe - 21
LeBron - 45
Player of the Month:
Kobe - 11
LeBron - 27
Rookie of the Month:
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 6
STATS - TOTALS (REGULAR SEASON)
Minutes Played:
Kobe - 31571
LeBron - 32582
Games Played:
Kobe - 866
LeBron - 824
Games Started:
Kobe - 718
LeBron - 823
Points:
Kobe - 21619
LeBron - 22673
FG's Made:
Kobe - 7456
LeBron - 8150
3 PT's Made:
Kobe - 1086
LeBron - 1107
FT's Made:
Kobe - 5621
LeBron - 5266
Offensive Rebounds:
Kobe - 1047
LeBron - 1012
Total Rebounds:
Kobe - 4590
LeBron - 5965
Assists:
Kobe - 4002
LeBron - 5684
Steals:
Kobe - 1321
LeBron - 1417
Blocks:
Kobe - 507
LeBron - 666
TO's:
Kobe - 2542
LeBron - 2729
STATS - AVERAGES (REGULAR SEASON)
MPG:
Kobe - 36.5
LeBron - 39.5
PPG:
Kobe - 25.0
LeBron - 27.5
FG%:
Kobe - 45.3%
LeBron - 49.6%
3pt%:
Kobe - 34.0%
LeBron - 34.0%
FT%:
Kobe - 83.9%
LeBron - 74.7%
RPG:
Kobe - 5.3
LeBron - 7.2
APG:
Kobe - 4.6
LeBron - 6.9
SPG:
Kobe - 1.5
LeBron - 1.7
BPG:
Kobe - 0.6
LeBron - 0.8
TOPG:
Kobe - 2.9
LeBron - 3.3
ADVANCED STATS - (REGULAR SEASON)
PER:
Kobe - 23.6
LeBron - 27.8
PER Leader in a Season:
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 6
Top 5 in PER in a Season:
Kobe - 4
LeBron - 7
Win Shares per 48 Min:
Kobe - 0.188
LeBron - 0.243
TS%:
Kobe - 55.7%
LeBron - 58.0%
eFG:
Kobe - 48.6%
LeBron - 52.9%
GAME ACCOMPLISHMENTS - (REGULAR SEASON)
Triple Doubles:
Kobe - 14
LeBron - 36
Double Doubles:
Kobe - 127
LeBron - 265
Games >= 60 Points
Kobe - 4
LeBron - 1
Games >= 50 Points
Kobe - 23
LeBron - 10
Games >= 40 Points
Kobe - 92
LeBron - 51
Games >= 30 Points
Kobe - 281
LeBron - 331
Games < 20 Points
Kobe - 278
LeBron - 136
Games < 10 Points
Kobe - 71
LeBron - 8
Games >= 10 Rebounds
Kobe - 85
LeBron - 171
Games < 5 Rebounds
Kobe - 363
LeBron - 136
Games 0 Rebounds
Kobe - 18
LeBron - 3
Games >= 10 Assists
Kobe - 57
LeBron - 131
Games < 5 Assists
Kobe - 459
LeBron - 157
Games 0 Assists
Kobe - 47
LeBron - 2
Games shooting >= 60%
Kobe - 103
LeBron - 151
Games shooting >= 50%
Kobe - 325
LeBron - 434
Games shooting < 45%
Kobe - 408
LeBron - 265
Games shooting < 40%
Kobe - 270
LeBron - 143
Games shooting < 30%
Kobe - 87
LeBron - 38
Games >= 5 TOs
Kobe - 162
LeBron - 199
Games < 2 TOs
Kobe - 215
LeBron - 122
Wins:
Kobe - 560
LeBron - 544
Winning %:
Kobe - 64.7%
LeBron - 66.0%
STATS - TOTALS (PLAYOFFS)
Minutes Played:
Kobe - 5948
LeBron - 5954
Games Played:
Kobe - 152
LeBron - 138
Games Started:
Kobe - 132
LeBron - 138
Points:
Kobe - 3686
LeBron - 3871
FG's Made:
Kobe - 1323
LeBron - 1327
3 PT's Made:
Kobe - 177
LeBron - 195
FT's Made:
Kobe - 863
LeBron - 1022
Offensive Rebounds:
Kobe - 161
LeBron - 223
Total Rebounds:
Kobe - 766
LeBron - 1191
Assists:
Kobe - 703
LeBron - 924
Steals:
Kobe - 209
LeBron - 236
Blocks:
Kobe - 102
LeBron - 127
TO's:
Kobe - 444
LeBron - 482
STATS - AVERAGES (PLAYOFFS)
MPG:
Kobe - 39.1
LeBron - 43.1
PPG:
Kobe - 24.3 (decrease)
LeBron - 28.1 (increase)
FG%:
Kobe - 44.5% (decrease)
LeBron - 47.2% (decrease)
3pt%:
Kobe - 32.5% (decrease)
LeBron - 32.2% (decrease)
FT%:
Kobe - 79.8% (decrease)
LeBron - 74.9% (increase)
RPG:
Kobe - 5.0 (decrease)
LeBron - 8.6 (increase)
APG:
Kobe - 4.6 (same)
LeBron - 6.7 (decrease)
SPG:
Kobe - 1.4 (decrease)
LeBron - 1.7 (same)
BPG:
Kobe - 0.7 (increase)
LeBron - 0.9 (increase)
TOPG:
Kobe - 2.9 (same)
LeBron - 3.5 (worse)
STATS - GAME ACCOMPLISHMENTS (PLAYOFFS)
Triple Doubles:
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 11
Double Doubles:
Kobe - 16
LeBron - 55
Games >= 60 Points
Kobe - 0
LeBron - 0
Games >= 50 Points
Kobe - 1
LeBron - 0
Games >= 40 Points
Kobe - 6
LeBron - 11
Games >= 30 Points
Kobe - 49
LeBron - 61
Games < 20 Points
Kobe - 42
LeBron - 19
Games < 10 Points
Kobe - 16
LeBron - 1
Games >= 10 Rebounds
Kobe - 11
LeBron - 47
Games < 5 Rebounds
Kobe - 70
LeBron - 10
Games 0 Rebounds
Kobe - 8
LeBron - 0
Games >= 10 Assists
Kobe - 5
LeBron - 19
Games < 5 Assists
Kobe - 68
LeBron - 28
Games 0 Assists
Kobe - 9
LeBron - 0
Games shooting >= 60%
Kobe - 14
LeBron - 21
Games shooting >= 50%
Kobe - 51
LeBron - 52
Games shooting < 45%
Kobe - 73
LeBron - 62
Games shooting < 40%
Kobe - 52
LeBron - 33
Games shooting < 30%
Kobe - 13
LeBron - 8
Games >= 5 TOs
Kobe - 29
LeBron - 39
Games < 2 TOs
Kobe - 37
LeBron - 20
Wins:
Kobe - 94
LeBron - 88
Winning %:
Kobe - 61.8%
LeBron - 63.8%
TOTAL CATEGORIES LEAD:
Kobe - 25
LeBron - 82
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Re: Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
Nice stats. I love stats.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are dumber than that.
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Re: Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
FixedRobceltsfan wrote:Nice stats. I love stats.
Re: Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
Holy shit, nice long list. Lebron has Kobe beat through 29 then. He's got some years left.
Re: Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
Lebron > Kobe.
This isn't even a debate.
This isn't even a debate.
Come at the King, you best not miss.
Re: Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
Lebron is superior to Kobe in virtually every meaningful way, and might be able to challenge Jordan before the end. Probably not, but he at least has a chance.
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The whole Kobe-Lebron comparison died out years ago. Like Kobe said with MJ, their careers have been completely different. We can get into semantics all we want but the fact remains LeBron was given the keys to the kingdom right as an 18 year old starter and never played second fiddle to anyone - so of course his success by whatever age is going to be greater.
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Cobra Kai wrote:lol at these biased stats.
How can stats be biased?
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I and other LeBron fans have moved on from Kobe and now have our sights set on Jordan. I suggest you do the same.
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Re: Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
Havlicekstealsit wrote:The whole Kobe-Lebron comparison died out years ago. Like Kobe said with MJ, their careers have been completely different. We can get into semantics all we want but the fact remains LeBron was given the keys to the kingdom right as an 18 year old starter and never played second fiddle to anyone - so of course his success by whatever age is going to be greater.
I agree. The sooner people come to realize this, the sooner they'll be able to appreciate both of them for what they've done (doing) on the court, instead of dwelling and nitpicking what they could have or should have done in the past.
In any comparison, there's one who falls short of the other. Is it a bad thing to not be able to measure up to Lebron and Jordan (who will go down as #1, and #2 respectively All Time)? Hell no. Being a Top 10 G.O.A.T. is a better career than 99.9% of the guys who have come through the league.
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You prefer Kobe's style of play. I get it. That doesn't mean he's better.gainesvillejjstalker wrote:Funny you come up with this this thread, considering Kobe's skills are head and shoulders above Lebron's; thus, Kobe's decline is minimal, if it even exists, and Lebron's will be much greater.
Oh and Kobe's an alpha and didn't leave his own team to join a finals MVP and form a dream team. Lebron has left bullets in his gun many times, due to fear. Kobe has always unloaded his clip like a real alpha male. The eye test is far and above more important in this case.
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Doesn't matter because Kobe>LeBron
Now that I got that out of the way. Kobe averaged like 7-8ppg off the bench in his very first season to LeBron's 20-21ppg in his.
Now that I got that out of the way. Kobe averaged like 7-8ppg off the bench in his very first season to LeBron's 20-21ppg in his.
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That's not LeBron's fault, that's Kobe's fault.elmouse03 wrote:Doesn't matter because Kobe>LeBron
Now that I got that out of the way. Kobe averaged like 7-8ppg off the bench in his very first season to LeBron's 20-21ppg in his.
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Is it possible that anyone here takes you serious after you made such a dumb comment?gainesvillejjstalker wrote:Funny you come up with this this thread, considering Kobe's skills are head and shoulders above Lebron's; thus, Kobe's decline is minimal, if it even exists, and Lebron's will be much greater.
Oh and Kobe's an alpha and didn't leave his own team to join a finals MVP and form a dream team. Lebron has left bullets in his gun many times, due to fear. Kobe has always unloaded his clip like a real alpha male. The eye test is far and above more important in this case.
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Oh he's said much worse before...I don't think anyone takes him seriously, except a few Bulls fans.deezna10 wrote:Is it possible that anyone here takes you serious after you made such a dumb comment?gainesvillejjstalker wrote:Funny you come up with this this thread, considering Kobe's skills are head and shoulders above Lebron's; thus, Kobe's decline is minimal, if it even exists, and Lebron's will be much greater.
Oh and Kobe's an alpha and didn't leave his own team to join a finals MVP and form a dream team. Lebron has left bullets in his gun many times, due to fear. Kobe has always unloaded his clip like a real alpha male. The eye test is far and above more important in this case.
And you know it.
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There has been worse comments but that's how Kobe and LeBron fans are.deezna10 wrote:Is it possible that anyone here takes you serious after you made such a dumb comment?gainesvillejjstalker wrote:Funny you come up with this this thread, considering Kobe's skills are head and shoulders above Lebron's; thus, Kobe's decline is minimal, if it even exists, and Lebron's will be much greater.
Oh and Kobe's an alpha and didn't leave his own team to join a finals MVP and form a dream team. Lebron has left bullets in his gun many times, due to fear. Kobe has always unloaded his clip like a real alpha male. The eye test is far and above more important in this case.
And you know it.
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Not a fan of either . Never was. (Thus making me more Objective by not looking through LEtot or Kobe kid glasses) but I'll take Kobe over Lehype all day every day:
1. He was far more offensively dominant force than Lebron
2. Played in a much tougher conference his entire career
3. Didn't leave to collude with other HOF'ers in that same weak conference
4. Fundamentally more sound than Lebron
5. More range in his game than Lebron
6. Truth is Kobe did more with LESS. (Yes he got 3'ships with Shaq, but he also won another two with much less help than Lebron has now ). Lebron has essentially been a ZERO without top notch first ballot HOFers.
Last but not least... He didn't bitch whine and complain over every little no call. He was more of a MAN. He didn't expect to ALWAYS Have special privileges and double standards (he expected more contact and physicality) and just live at the line and assume a foul would always be called when he had the ball in his hands
1. He was far more offensively dominant force than Lebron
2. Played in a much tougher conference his entire career
3. Didn't leave to collude with other HOF'ers in that same weak conference
4. Fundamentally more sound than Lebron
5. More range in his game than Lebron
6. Truth is Kobe did more with LESS. (Yes he got 3'ships with Shaq, but he also won another two with much less help than Lebron has now ). Lebron has essentially been a ZERO without top notch first ballot HOFers.
Last but not least... He didn't bitch whine and complain over every little no call. He was more of a MAN. He didn't expect to ALWAYS Have special privileges and double standards (he expected more contact and physicality) and just live at the line and assume a foul would always be called when he had the ball in his hands
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Kobe lead the league in technicals one year, didn't he?DorianRo wrote:Not have of either but I'll take Kobe over Lehype all day every day:
1. He was far more offensively dominance force than Lebron
2. Played in a much tougher conference his entire career
3. Didn't leave to collude with other HOF'ers in that same weak conference
4. Fundamentally more sound than Lebron
5. More range in his game than Lebron
Last but not least... He didn't bitch whine and complain over every little no call. He was more of a MAN
He was 2nd in 2006, 4th in 2007, 1st in 2008, 9th in 2009, 4th in 2010, 2nd in 2011, 9th in 2012, and 6th in 2013.
Yeah, Kobe never whines...lol.
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Re: Kobe vs. LeBron age 29 comprehensive comparison, long
Ghostown42 wrote:Kobe lead the league in technicals one year, didn't he?DorianRo wrote:Not have of either but I'll take Kobe over Lehype all day every day:
1. He was far more offensively dominance force than Lebron
2. Played in a much tougher conference his entire career
3. Didn't leave to collude with other HOF'ers in that same weak conference
4. Fundamentally more sound than Lebron
5. More range in his game than Lebron
Last but not least... He didn't bitch whine and complain over every little no call. He was more of a MAN
shhh. Don't bring that up.
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Wait so Lebron whines but yet Kobe was near the top for crying and getting technicals? hmm....