Curry is in another realm as a scorer...

[TheSaboteur]

Because I said if something has changed since previous years, then my comments would be invalid. However, I don't believe much has changed, so your claim that Curry plays like Kyle Korver is quite shockingly wrong.

[876Stephen]

Because I said if something has changed since previous years, then my comments would be invalid. However, I don't believe much has changed, so your claim that Curry plays like Kyle Korver is quite shockingly wrong.

Is y2k calling Curry Kyle Korver?

[TheSaboteur]

Because I said if something has changed since previous years, then my comments would be invalid. However, I don't believe much has changed, so your claim that Curry plays like Kyle Korver is quite shockingly wrong.

Is y2k calling Curry Kyle Korver?

Looks like it.

[TheSaboteur]

Bump for l3bron

[wailuaFC]

Y2k, while I generally agree with your takes, curry and korver are in different realms as players and play styles and players off the ball deserve/draw just as much attention as players with the ball. Curry is the best player in the league at shooting off the dribble and has the fastest release I've ever seen, has elite handles, drives into the lane nearly at will, and is one of the best facilitators in the league, he isn't anything like korver other then both being great 3 pt shooters

[l3bron]

ITT: High blood pressure

PS: Harden > Curry in terms of scoring

PPS: Drawling fouls is a skill

[Max]

ITT: High blood pressure

PS: Harden > Curry in terms of scoring

PPS: Drawling fouls is a skill

Copy & paste.

You're amazing at it.

I wish you'd post one original thought of your own though.

[Y2K]

Because I said if something has changed since previous years, then my comments would be invalid. However, I don't believe much has changed, so your claim that Curry plays like Kyle Korver is quite shockingly wrong.

Is y2k calling Curry Kyle Korver?

If I was to believe such a thing, I would post exactly that. But I didn't.

[Y2K]

Y2k, while I generally agree with your takes, curry and korver are in different realms as players and play styles and players off the ball deserve/draw just as much attention as players with the ball. Curry is the best player in the league at shooting off the dribble and has the fastest release I've ever seen, has elite handles, drives into the lane nearly at will, and is one of the best facilitators in the league, he isn't anything like korver other then both being great 3 pt shooters

I never said such an outlandish thing, wailuaFC.

[wailuaFC]

Y2k, while I generally agree with your takes, curry and korver are in different realms as players and play styles and players off the ball deserve/draw just as much attention as players with the ball. Curry is the best player in the league at shooting off the dribble and has the fastest release I've ever seen, has elite handles, drives into the lane nearly at will, and is one of the best facilitators in the league, he isn't anything like korver other then both being great 3 pt shooters

I never said such an outlandish thing, wailuaFC.

Haha I should have known better, I just read the op and the last page haha, my mistake

[Y2K]

Y2k, while I generally agree with your takes, curry and korver are in different realms as players and play styles and players off the ball deserve/draw just as much attention as players with the ball. Curry is the best player in the league at shooting off the dribble and has the fastest release I've ever seen, has elite handles, drives into the lane nearly at will, and is one of the best facilitators in the league, he isn't anything like korver other then both being great 3 pt shooters

I never said such an outlandish thing, wailuaFC.

Haha I should have known better, I just read the op and the last page haha, my mistake

[rtiff68]

I never said such an outlandish thing, wailuaFC.

Haha I should have known better, I just read the op and the last page haha, my mistake

To be fair though, you did state the following:

The thing about Curry is that he's a far better catch and shoot player than he is at any other facet of offense. Usually those type of players aren't held to the highest standard because they don't draw high frequency of fouls and don't command the highest level of attention in an opposing team's defensive game plan

...and, to be perfectly honest, that couldn't be further from the truth. Curry's quick release, handle (which has improved dramatically over the years), ability to create his own shot, and court vision/passing ability is really what he is best at. You didn't call him Kyle Korver, but claiming "catch and shoot" is what he's best at is simply the opposite of the truth, and selling him short in a wide variety of areas.

As for commanding the highest level of an opposing team's game plan, I would argue that Curry's skill set makes the Warriors more difficult to game plan for defensively than Harden's does. Harden is a good shooter, but at the end of the day he wants to use his snakey craftiness (for lack of a better term) to get to the rim and/or draw fouls (which he does better than any other player in the game). Game planning for guys like Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Westbrook, etc. is relatively simple, it's just not easy (because they are/were so ridiculously good): you want to force them to take as many long, contested jumpers as possible.

With Curry, what strategy do you even attempt? There's a reason why the Warriors are offensively dominant when he's on the floor, and fall off so precipitously in that regard when he's on the bench. His ridiculous range and ability to shoot off balance and off of the dribble stretches perimeter defenses like no other player in the league does, and when you pair that with his passing and vision, you have choose between giving him the space to shoot, or leaving driving lanes wide open for cutters.

I think one could make a strong argument that Harden is a better scorer than Curry, but there's no question in my mind that a Curry led team is more difficult for opposing teams to defend than a Harden led team.

[wailuaFC]

Haha I should have known better, I just read the op and the last page haha, my mistake

To be fair though, you did state the following:

The thing about Curry is that he's a far better catch and shoot player than he is at any other facet of offense. Usually those type of players aren't held to the highest standard because they don't draw high frequency of fouls and don't command the highest level of attention in an opposing team's defensive game plan

...and, to be perfectly honest, that couldn't be further from the truth. Curry's quick release, handle (which has improved dramatically over the years), ability to create his own shot, and court vision/passing ability is really what he is best at. You didn't call him Kyle Korver, but claiming "catch and shoot" is what he's best at is simply the opposite of the truth, and selling him short in a wide variety of areas.

As for commanding the highest level of an opposing team's game plan, I would argue that Curry's skill set makes the Warriors more difficult to game plan for defensively than Harden's does. Harden is a good shooter, but at the end of the day he wants to use his snakey craftiness (for lack of a better term) to get to the rim and/or draw fouls (which he does better than any other player in the game). Game planning for guys like Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Westbrook, etc. is relatively simple, it's just not easy (because they are/were so ridiculously good): you want to force them to take as many long, contested jumpers as possible.

With Curry, what strategy do you even attempt? There's a reason why the Warriors are offensively dominant when he's on the floor, and fall off so precipitously in that regard when he's on the bench. His ridiculous range and ability to shoot off balance and off of the dribble stretches perimeter defenses like no other player in the league does, and when you pair that with his passing and vision, you have choose between giving him the space to shoot, or leaving driving lanes wide open for cutters.

I think one could make a strong argument that Harden is a better scorer than Curry, but there's no question in my mind that a Curry led team is more difficult for opposing teams to defend than a Harden led team.

10/10, this was what I was trying to write just much more eloquently put

[876Stephen]

Haha I should have known better, I just read the op and the last page haha, my mistake

To be fair though, you did state the following:

The thing about Curry is that he's a far better catch and shoot player than he is at any other facet of offense. Usually those type of players aren't held to the highest standard because they don't draw high frequency of fouls and don't command the highest level of attention in an opposing team's defensive game plan

...and, to be perfectly honest, that couldn't be further from the truth. Curry's quick release, handle (which has improved dramatically over the years), ability to create his own shot, and court vision/passing ability is really what he is best at. You didn't call him Kyle Korver, but claiming "catch and shoot" is what he's best at is simply the opposite of the truth, and selling him short in a wide variety of areas.

As for commanding the highest level of an opposing team's game plan, I would argue that Curry's skill set makes the Warriors more difficult to game plan for defensively than Harden's does. Harden is a good shooter, but at the end of the day he wants to use his snakey craftiness (for lack of a better term) to get to the rim and/or draw fouls (which he does better than any other player in the game). Game planning for guys like Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Westbrook, etc. is relatively simple, it's just not easy (because they are/were so ridiculously good): you want to force them to take as many long, contested jumpers as possible.

With Curry, what strategy do you even attempt? There's a reason why the Warriors are offensively dominant when he's on the floor, and fall off so precipitously in that regard when he's on the bench. His ridiculous range and ability to shoot off balance and off of the dribble stretches perimeter defenses like no other player in the league does, and when you pair that with his passing and vision, you have choose between giving him the space to shoot, or leaving driving lanes wide open for cutters.

I think one could make a strong argument that Harden is a better scorer than Curry, but there's no question in my mind that a Curry led team is more difficult for opposing teams to defend than a Harden led team.

This is spot fucking on. I don't really have the eloquence nor patience to type up a long winded response like this but this is what i have been saying the entire thread.

Drawing fouls is a skill no doubt but the difference between Harden and Curry's scoring output is only 3 points which minuscule despite Harden having the ball in his hands more a lot more, taking more free throws and 1 more shot per game.

[LNS]

Stephen got torn to bite sized pieces in here.

[Bush4Ever]

lol if all i did was stand behind the line and shoot threes i could be an efficient scorer too

[Kevin]

Stephen got torn to bite sized pieces in here.

Lol and now he just wants to stand behind rt's post and claim he was saying the same thing

[Titan18]

They are better than Chris Paul

[elmouse03]

They are better than Chris Paul

suck up.

[Y2K]

Haha I should have known better, I just read the op and the last page haha, my mistake

To be fair though, you did state the following:

The thing about Curry is that he's a far better catch and shoot player than he is at any other facet of offense. Usually those type of players aren't held to the highest standard because they don't draw high frequency of fouls and don't command the highest level of attention in an opposing team's defensive game plan

...and, to be perfectly honest, that couldn't be further from the truth. Curry's quick release, handle (which has improved dramatically over the years), ability to create his own shot, and court vision/passing ability is really what he is best at. You didn't call him Kyle Korver, but claiming "catch and shoot" is what he's best at is simply the opposite of the truth, and selling him short in a wide variety of areas.

As for commanding the highest level of an opposing team's game plan, I would argue that Curry's skill set makes the Warriors more difficult to game plan for defensively than Harden's does. Harden is a good shooter, but at the end of the day he wants to use his snakey craftiness (for lack of a better term) to get to the rim and/or draw fouls (which he does better than any other player in the game). Game planning for guys like Harden, LeBron, Kobe, Westbrook, etc. is relatively simple, it's just not easy (because they are/were so ridiculously good): you want to force them to take as many long, contested jumpers as possible.

With Curry, what strategy do you even attempt? There's a reason why the Warriors are offensively dominant when he's on the floor, and fall off so precipitously in that regard when he's on the bench. His ridiculous range and ability to shoot off balance and off of the dribble stretches perimeter defenses like no other player in the league does, and when you pair that with his passing and vision, you have choose between giving him the space to shoot, or leaving driving lanes wide open for cutters.

I think one could make a strong argument that Harden is a better scorer than Curry, but there's no question in my mind that a Curry led team is more difficult for opposing teams to defend than a Harden led team.

Well stated. Now, here's my point:

When I see that 55% of a player's made 3pt FGs are assisted by others, that's catching and shooting. that # is much higher in other seasons. He also knows how to get himself open and use that quick release so it is an added luxury that the warriors have in him.

Catch and shoot, IMHO, is still what he does best. That isn't to say that he is not great at other things because he definitely is and what he's but great at, he's improving in. It isn't to ssy that u are wrong, rtiff68.

I just don't see him as a guy that would have the same effect on an offense if he's playing with lesser tools. He's just not crafty enough when the shots aren't falling for him.