LakersNeedShaq wrote:
You can't just assume everything will continue its current status in these types of arguments, dude. If Curry took more shots, it's logical to assume that his percentages would dip. By how much? I have no idea. Also, if he focused more on being a scorer, other team defenses would play him differently.
And yes, Harden and Westbrook are better scorers than Curry.
You think Curry's field goal percentage would drop 49% to 43% just by taking 4 more shots? I seriously doubt that. As good a shooter as Curry is
defenses can't stop him from getting what he wants when he wants.
And yes they would play him differently but Curry is a superstar. Superstars overcome any adjustments made by defenses. Anyways Curry is already defended like a scorer rather than a passer which is why he is double and triple teamed every time down the court on offense.
Im astonished that people think what Westbrook is doing is impressive at least scoring wise. It's not hard to score a lot of points when you shoot the ball 38 times in a game and get 16 free throws, or shoot 32 times and get 14 free throws.
He's not doing anything special.
I was thinking the same thing about Curry, to be honest. He's averaging 23.6ppg 7.9apg. I mean I get that you're a huge fan, but those aren't "oh my god how amazing!" type stats. He's a borderline superstar, if at all.
I'd delete that last sentence. He's an undeniable superstar.
LakersNeedShaq wrote:
You can't just assume everything will continue its current status in these types of arguments, dude. If Curry took more shots, it's logical to assume that his percentages would dip. By how much? I have no idea. Also, if he focused more on being a scorer, other team defenses would play him differently.
And yes, Harden and Westbrook are better scorers than Curry.
You think Curry's field goal percentage would drop 49% to 43% just by taking 4 more shots? I seriously doubt that. As good a shooter as Curry is
defenses can't stop him from getting what he wants when he wants.
And yes they would play him differently but Curry is a superstar. Superstars overcome any adjustments made by defenses. Anyways Curry is already defended like a scorer rather than a passer which is why he is double and triple teamed every time down the court on offense.
Im astonished that people think what Westbrook is doing is impressive at least scoring wise. It's not hard to score a lot of points when you shoot the ball 38 times in a game and get 16 free throws, or shoot 32 times and get 14 free throws.
He's not doing anything special.
I was thinking the same thing about Curry, to be honest. He's averaging 23.6ppg 7.9apg. I mean I get that you're a huge fan, but those aren't "oh my god how amazing!" type stats. He's a borderline superstar, if at all.
Your not alone, every one is fascinated by Westbrook while Curry generally gets overlooked which is why he one of the most underrated players in the NBA.
His stats amazing because he's putting up these numbers without having the ball in his hands much unlike Harden and Westbrook while playing limited minutes for a superstar and a usage that isn't even close to either of those players.
Second the difference between the Warriors offense when Curry is and isn't on the court is insane. They have the best offense in the NBA when he plays and the worst when he doesn't. His impact offensively far exceeds that of a Westbrook or Harden.
Thirdly he's the best player on 46-11 basketball team.
Finally ala Tim Duncan he sacrifices personal stats for the betterment of the team.
PhutureDynasty wrote:Curry is in another realm as a shooter, not so much as a scorer.
How is Westbrook a better scorer? The only argument i can see is that he scores more points. No one seems to care how those points are achieved. If that's the only requirement than Allen Iverson is one of the best scorers in NBA history.
Harden averages more points this year and shoots only 3.5% worse than Curry. All while getting to the line more often.
Harden is a better scorer, Curry is a better shooter. Simple as that.
876Stephen wrote:
You think Curry's field goal percentage would drop 49% to 43% just by taking 4 more shots? I seriously doubt that. As good a shooter as Curry is
defenses can't stop him from getting what he wants when he wants.
And yes they would play him differently but Curry is a superstar. Superstars overcome any adjustments made by defenses. Anyways Curry is already defended like a scorer rather than a passer which is why he is double and triple teamed every time down the court on offense.
Im astonished that people think what Westbrook is doing is impressive at least scoring wise. It's not hard to score a lot of points when you shoot the ball 38 times in a game and get 16 free throws, or shoot 32 times and get 14 free throws.
He's not doing anything special.
I was thinking the same thing about Curry, to be honest. He's averaging 23.6ppg 7.9apg. I mean I get that you're a huge fan, but those aren't "oh my god how amazing!" type stats. He's a borderline superstar, if at all.
Your not alone, every one is fascinated by Westbrook while Curry generally gets overlooked which is why he one of the most underrated players in the NBA.
His stats amazing because he's putting up these numbers without having the ball in his hands much unlike Harden and Westbrook while playing limited minutes for a superstar and a usage that isn't even close to either of those players.
Second the difference between the Warriors offense when Curry is and isn't on the court is insane. They have the best offense in the NBA when he plays and the worst when he doesn't. His impact offensively far exceeds that of a Westbrook or Harden.
Thirdly he's the best player on 46-11 basketball team.
Finally ala Tim Duncan he sacrifices personal stats for the betterment of the team.
The thing about Curry is that he's a far better catch and shoot player than he is at any other facet of offense. Usually those type of players aren't held to the highest standard because they don't draw high frequency of fouls and don't command the highest level of attention in an opposing team's defensive game plan. they rely on their teammates to create scoring chances for then a bit more than a the other two guys in this conversation.
Max wrote:Doesn't Westbrook have a better TS% while scoring more points?
That should pretty much /thread.
Curry TS% .623
Westbrook TS% .535
Only Korver has a higher TS% among guards.
Get your facts right.
Facts? I asked a question.
I was thinking of PER btw. Which Westbrook is ahead of Curry.
He has a whopping 1.4 higher PEr than Curry despite Curry shooting better from the field, three and free throw. Curry averages the same amount of assists, averages more steals, more blocks, less fouls and way less turnovers while playing .1 more minutes per game.
But tell me again how Westbrook is more efficient. PER is useless.
I was thinking of PER btw. Which Westbrook is ahead of Curry.
He has a whopping 1.4 higher PEr than Curry despite Curry shooting better from the field, three and free throw. Curry averages the same amount of assists, averages more steals, more blocks, less fouls and way less turnovers while playing .1 more minutes per game.
But tell me again how Westbrook is more efficient. PER is useless.
Basketball Refence has him 1.5 higher, but anyway...
You keep talking about efficiency, only to then nitpick which terms of efficiency count.
I have no dog in this fight. Hell I'm way more of GS fan than OKC, due to my homie Dray.
You're just straight up being a homer by saying Curry is without a doubt better than Westbrook. That's all that's going on here.
PhutureDynasty wrote:Curry is in another realm as a shooter, not so much as a scorer.
How is Westbrook a better scorer? The only argument i can see is that he scores more points. No one seems to care how those points are achieved. If that's the only requirement than Allen Iverson is one of the best scorers in NBA history.
Harden averages more points this year and shoots only 3.5% worse than Curry. All while getting to the line more often.
Harden is a better scorer, Curry is a better shooter. Simple as that.
So Harden is a better scorer because he gets to the free throw line more?
That's faulty logic is you ask me.
There are many many players who get to the free throw line more than Curry including guys like Jimmy Butler, Demar Derozan, Demarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward, Kevin Martin, Rudy Gay, Eric Bledsoe, Lou Williams, Isiah Thomas etc.
I was thinking of PER btw. Which Westbrook is ahead of Curry.
He has a whopping 1.4 higher PEr than Curry despite Curry shooting better from the field, three and free throw. Curry averages the same amount of assists, averages more steals, more blocks, less fouls and way less turnovers while playing .1 more minutes per game.
But tell me again how Westbrook is more efficient. PER is useless.
Basketball Refence has him 1.5 higher, but anyway...
You keep talking about efficiency, only to then nitpick which terms of efficiency count.
I have no dog in this fight. Hell I'm way more of GS fan than OKC, due to my homie Dray.
You're just straight up being a homer by saying Curry is without a doubt better than Westbrook. That's all that's going on here.
1.5, my bad.
I dont understand how Westbrook is more efficient when i just laid out all the main stats people use to measure the efficiency of a player. Curry is better in all of them.
Madnessssss wrote:Curry is a good shooter. Thats about it. He's not as good a shooter as he was a couple years ago. He's declined quite a bit each year since his record breaking year in terms of fg% from 3. He's nothing amazing from 3 anymore.
His three point shooting has declined a lot yet it's still better than 95% of NBA players.
What does that tell you? With increased defensive attention, obviously your efficiency will suffer a little. But Westbrook's efficiency suffers greatly and there is zero way Curry's efficiency would decline to Westbrook or Harden levels with increased usage.
876Stephen wrote:
How is Westbrook a better scorer? The only argument i can see is that he scores more points. No one seems to care how those points are achieved. If that's the only requirement than Allen Iverson is one of the best scorers in NBA history.
Harden averages more points this year and shoots only 3.5% worse than Curry. All while getting to the line more often.
Harden is a better scorer, Curry is a better shooter. Simple as that.
So Harden is a better scorer because he gets to the free throw line more?
That's faulty logic is you ask me.
There are many many players who get to the free throw line more than Curry including guys like Jimmy Butler, Demar Derozan, Demarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward, Kevin Martin, Rudy Gay, Eric Bledsoe, Lou Williams, Isiah Thomas etc.
They all must be better scorers than Curry.
Where do you see me saying he's better simply because he gets to the line more? Guess you missed the part where I said he scores more points, a facet of which involves getting to the line. That's what I'm saying.
I was thinking the same thing about Curry, to be honest. He's averaging 23.6ppg 7.9apg. I mean I get that you're a huge fan, but those aren't "oh my god how amazing!" type stats. He's a borderline superstar, if at all.
Your not alone, every one is fascinated by Westbrook while Curry generally gets overlooked which is why he one of the most underrated players in the NBA.
His stats amazing because he's putting up these numbers without having the ball in his hands much unlike Harden and Westbrook while playing limited minutes for a superstar and a usage that isn't even close to either of those players.
Second the difference between the Warriors offense when Curry is and isn't on the court is insane. They have the best offense in the NBA when he plays and the worst when he doesn't. His impact offensively far exceeds that of a Westbrook or Harden.
Thirdly he's the best player on 46-11 basketball team.
Finally ala Tim Duncan he sacrifices personal stats for the betterment of the team.
The thing about Curry is that he's a far better catch and shoot player than he is at any other facet of offense. Usually those type of players aren't held to the highest standard because they don't draw high frequency of fouls and don't command the highest level of attention in an opposing team's defensive game plan. they rely on their teammates to create scoring chances for then a bit more than a the other two guys in this conversation.
So you agree with me that the refs aren't calling what they see with Curry but what they think they know. They think because Curry is a great shooter that he shouldn't get the foul calls that Westbrook and Harden get because they "drive to the hole" more?
