vcsgrizzfan wrote:wailuaFC wrote:vcsgrizzfan wrote:
You basically just said there are many Cs you could use to build around Dirk. They are almost a dime a dozen.
Your example of Bargs is just retarded. Sorry.
It's a much tougher task finding one to build around Barkley. An older Hakeem obviously wasn't enough.
My bargs inclusion was as ridiculous as the steph vs Nash comparison, I was basically just trying to show that you need a player dedicated to nothing other then rebounding to fit with dirk. Once again, if this was an all time draft, the list would look much differently. As it's currently composed the poll is to find out who the greatest players of all time were, Barkley was a greater player then dirk in my opinion. You could present and argument for dirk other then the accepted there are lots of defensive bigs one I presented and I'd be willing to listen
You play to win. Russell is GOAT or 2ND GOAT because he made everyone around him more effective and hid many teammates weaknesses. He made you win.
Barkley had pretty stats, but did he help you win more than Dirk? Did he stretch defenses to make it easier for others on the offensive end? Did he guard the paint to make it easier for others on the defensive end? Was he versatile enough to cover up the aforementioned flaws? Be honest.
I understand you play to win, but there are other factors involved, these same factors are why you voted dirk over isiah despite Isiah winning more. Does dirk having one ring really make him that much greater of a winner then Barkley?
As far as all your versatility questions, ones of the same nature could be asked in the opposite direction. Was dirk ever able to control the boards allowing his teammates to get out early for easy transition baskets? Was dirk ever able to dominate in the painted area? Could dirk ever effectively guard a pnr?
Dirk is a great offensive player, but Barkley was better. Barkley shot a higher percentage, more offensive boards, more assists, equal amount of point(although Barkley does have a better career high as well as season high). I know it's easy to say dirk had the better offensive game because he was more versatile, but when does versatility matter more then effectiveness?