2014 Anger General Geatest of All Time: #22 selection

[Y2K]

The results are in. John Havlicek was voted as the #21 Greatest Player of All Time.



Greatest players of All Time list:
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1. Michael Jordan

2. Bill Russell

3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

4. Ervin Magic Johnson

5. Wilt Chamberlain

6. Larry Bird

7. Tim Duncan

8. Kobe Bryant

9. Shaquille O'Neal

10. Hakeem Olajuwon

11. Lebron James

12. Oscar Robertson

13. Moses Malone

14. Jerry West

15. Julius Erving

16. George Mikan

17. Bob Pettit

18. Karl Malone

19. Kevin Garnett

20. Elgin Baylor

21. John Havlicek



Vote for your #22 player of all time posting the said player's name from the list of candidates available during that particular round.

****NOMINATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED THIS ROUND.********


David Robinson-

Dirk Nowitzki - 8

Isiah Thomas - 7

Patrick Ewing -

Scottie Pippen - 1

Dwyane Wade - 3

Kevin McHale -

John Stockton -

Rick Barry -

Charles Barkley - 2

Bob Cousy -


TOTAL Votes: 21

[PhutureDynasty]

Isiah Thomas.

[Havlicekstealsit]

Dirk

[ripper76]

Wade.

[Yuh]

I honestly feel like at this point you'd actually have to look for reasons to not vote D-Wade in.

Wade.

[ripper76]

I honestly feel like at this point you'd actually have to look for reasons to not vote D-Wade in.

Wade.

There's no way Dirk should be ranked higher than Wade.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I honestly feel like at this point you'd actually have to look for reasons to not vote D-Wade in.

Wade.

There's no way Dirk should be ranked higher than Wade.

Explain. I'd like to read your explanation. It can be a case for Wade... or a case against Nowtizki... or a bit of both.

Just listing a name from the team you've been rooting for on here for quite awhile just doesn't move the needle for me though.

[ripper76]

I honestly feel like at this point you'd actually have to look for reasons to not vote D-Wade in.

Wade.

There's no way Dirk should be ranked higher than Wade.

Explain. I'd like to read your explanation. It can be a case for Wade... or a case against Nowtizki... or a bit of both.

Just listing a name from the team you've been rooting for on here for quite awhile just doesn't move the needle for me though.

I'm not interested in moving your needle.

I've discussed the case for Wade in depth a couple times in these polls.

[Yuh]

I honestly feel like at this point you'd actually have to look for reasons to not vote D-Wade in.

Wade.

There's no way Dirk should be ranked higher than Wade.

Explain. I'd like to read your explanation. It can be a case for Wade... or a case against Nowtizki... or a bit of both.

Just listing a name from the team you've been rooting for on here for quite awhile just doesn't move the needle for me though.

I'm sure that's how others will see it but at this point the case for Wade is much greater IMO. Plus, I think the KG vote was kinda put in hastily when the vote was so damn close. I'm not all that sure he should be that high on this list.

Wade is 8th all-time in career PER
3x Champion, 5 Finals Appearances
1x Finals MVP w/ one of the greatest Finals performances in NBA history
One of the greatest PER seasons in NBA history (Only Wilt, LeBron, MJ, Shaq, & D-Rob had better)
Arguably the 3rd greatest SG in NBA history behind only Mike and Kobe.
At his peak posted similar or better numbers than Kobe (depending on your perspective).
One of the best two-way players of his generation along w/ Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, and KG
Career 49% FG as a SG (almost unheard of nowadays)

I'm sure I could rattle off a few more if I wanted to.

[AbeVigodaLive]

There's no way Dirk should be ranked higher than Wade.

Explain. I'd like to read your explanation. It can be a case for Wade... or a case against Nowtizki... or a bit of both.

Just listing a name from the team you've been rooting for on here for quite awhile just doesn't move the needle for me though.

I'm not interested in moving your needle.

I've discussed the case for Wade in depth a couple times in these polls.

Well, thanks for the basketball discussion. I wasn't pushing your buttons. In all seriousness, I was hoping to learn more.

If you're kind enough to rehash what you wrote previously, or even want to copy and paste it... much obliged. I think it would add to the debate.

[Yuh]

Like I said, you actually have to look for reasons to not vote him in at this point.

[ripper76]

Explain. I'd like to read your explanation. It can be a case for Wade... or a case against Nowtizki... or a bit of both.

Just listing a name from the team you've been rooting for on here for quite awhile just doesn't move the needle for me though.

I'm not interested in moving your needle.

I've discussed the case for Wade in depth a couple times in these polls.

Well, thanks for the basketball discussion. I wasn't pushing your buttons. In all seriousness, I was hoping to learn more.

If you're kind enough to rehash what you wrote previously, or even want to copy and paste it... much obliged. I think it would add to the debate.

Well we were both a bit snarky there I think.

Anyway, yuh laid out some good accolades above.

Wade at his peak was unstoppable and he was at that level on the biggest stages deep in the playoffs and the Finals. People like to discount him because his "peak" was relatively short, but I think at this level you have to look at how good a guy was at his best. Some of these other guys had short, even shorter careers and dealt with injuries too. Mikan played roughly 62% of the number of games Wade played. He played fewer and shorter seasons and had bad injury problems as well, but that's not really held against him, not to the extent it is for Wade. Wade his going into his 12th year, and he's been a very high level almost the whole time. He's a better all around player at his position than a lot of these guys (in the area of assists, rebounds, steals, blocks) while being a top scorer.

People have used the PPG stat and PER to justify their votes for players already on the list. If you look at those, Wade is 8th all time in career PER, and 17th in career PPG. Dirk is 19th in career PER and 27th in career PPG. I don't see how Dirk is a better scorer or all around player than Wade and has one championship to three.

On the whole, I think Wade belongs on the list, certainly at this point, and definitely ahead of Dirk.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Like I said, you actually have to look for reasons to not vote him in at this point.

You mentioned PER a couple of times touting Wade.

Do you think it's disconcerting that Wade's PER goes down in the playoffs from the regular season (25.3 - 22.7)... while Dirk Nowitzki's has gone up in the playoffs (23.5 - 24.2)?

[AbeVigodaLive]

I'm not interested in moving your needle.

I've discussed the case for Wade in depth a couple times in these polls.

Well, thanks for the basketball discussion. I wasn't pushing your buttons. In all seriousness, I was hoping to learn more.

If you're kind enough to rehash what you wrote previously, or even want to copy and paste it... much obliged. I think it would add to the debate.

Well we were both a bit snarky there I think.

Anyway, yuh laid out some good accolades above.

Wade at his peak was unstoppable and he was at that level on the biggest stages deep in the playoffs and the Finals. People like to discount him because his "peak" was relatively short, but I think at this level you have to look at how good a guy was at his best. Some of this other guys had short, even shorter careers and dealt with injuries too. Mikan played roughly 62% of the number of games Wade played. He played fewer and shorter seasons and had bad injury problems as well, but that's not really held against him, not to the extent it is for Wade. Wade his going into his 12th year, and he's been a very high level almost the whole time. He's a better all around player at his position than a lot of these guys (in the area of assists, rebounds, steals, blocks) while being a top scorer.

People have used the PPG stat and PER to justify their votes for players already on the list. If you look at those, Wade is 8th all time in career PER, and 17th in career PPG. Dirk is 19th in career PER and 27th in career PPG. I don't see how Dirk is a better scorer or all around player than Wade and has one championship to three.

On the whole, I think Wade belongs on the list, certainly at this point, and definitely ahead of Dirk.

I get that Mikan didn't play long.

But the guy won a title almost EVERY season he was healthy. Granted, you could hold him playing with a broken leg in the playoffs against him... but that could be a positive too. In any event... I get your point.

I don't think Wade is a bad choice. At all. But Nowitzki CAN make a case too. (See above)

[Carpediem77]

Isiah Lord "Zeke" Thomas III

[americaninfidel]

Isiah.

[Yuh]

Like I said, you actually have to look for reasons to not vote him in at this point.

You mentioned PER a couple of times touting Wade.

Do you think it's disconcerting that Wade's PER goes down in the playoffs from the regular season (25.3 - 22.7)... while Dirk Nowitzki's has gone up in the playoffs (23.5 - 24.2)?

Yeah, like... not at all. Kind of a ridiculous insinuation, to be honest. Like I said, we're looking for reasons here. If you honestly believe that Dirk upped his game for the playoffs more than Wade did I don't know what to tell you, but I think you know better than that. Wade's numbers in the playoffs only dropped after his knees started to really break down. At his peak, he carved up (like really carved up) some of the best defensive teams of his generation in the playoffs (teams like the Celtics and Pistons). I can post the numbers if you like.

[ripper76]

Well, thanks for the basketball discussion. I wasn't pushing your buttons. In all seriousness, I was hoping to learn more.

If you're kind enough to rehash what you wrote previously, or even want to copy and paste it... much obliged. I think it would add to the debate.

Well we were both a bit snarky there I think.

Anyway, yuh laid out some good accolades above.

Wade at his peak was unstoppable and he was at that level on the biggest stages deep in the playoffs and the Finals. People like to discount him because his "peak" was relatively short, but I think at this level you have to look at how good a guy was at his best. Some of this other guys had short, even shorter careers and dealt with injuries too. Mikan played roughly 62% of the number of games Wade played. He played fewer and shorter seasons and had bad injury problems as well, but that's not really held against him, not to the extent it is for Wade. Wade his going into his 12th year, and he's been a very high level almost the whole time. He's a better all around player at his position than a lot of these guys (in the area of assists, rebounds, steals, blocks) while being a top scorer.

People have used the PPG stat and PER to justify their votes for players already on the list. If you look at those, Wade is 8th all time in career PER, and 17th in career PPG. Dirk is 19th in career PER and 27th in career PPG. I don't see how Dirk is a better scorer or all around player than Wade and has one championship to three.

On the whole, I think Wade belongs on the list, certainly at this point, and definitely ahead of Dirk.

I get that Mikan didn't play long.

But the guy won a title almost EVERY season he was healthy. Granted, you could hold him playing with a broken leg in the playoffs against him... but that could be a positive too. In any event... I get your point.

I don't think Wade is a bad choice. At all. But Nowitzki CAN make a case too. (See above)

What's the case for Nowitzki over Wade? He does nothing statistically better than Wade except shoot threes and rebound (even though 8.1 rpg for a 7ft tall PF is not impressive compared to 5.0 rpg for a 6'4" SG.)

His PER being a bit higher in the playoffs doesn't out outweigh everything else, and it didn't translate to more success.

[876Stephen]

I vote for wade, since i want my vote to matter this time

[Y2K]

I honestly feel like at this point you'd actually have to look for reasons to not vote D-Wade in.

Wade.

There's no way Dirk should be ranked higher than Wade.

Why not?

Edit: Disregard