2014 Anger General Geatest of All Time: #21 selection

[Y2K]

Haven't you been voting for Wade over the last few spots?

Anyway Pippen is considered as a legit #2 option. While he does have 6 rings as a #2 option I can't put him over some of the 1's who have won it all and even some of the ones who have not.

I have been, and I'm probably kind of biased, but I think we're getting to the point were most impartial people have to consider him. There is still a lot of residual hate for the Heat that I think will probably bias people the other way though.

I think Wade should be ranked higher than Pippen for sure.

Thing about Wade is his career is riddled with injuries but when he was healthy and on he was close to unstoppable as can be.

He had a short prime due to injury. But how he performs in these next few years will probably define hus career the most, in my opinion.

[ripper76]

Haven't you been voting for Wade over the last few spots?

Anyway Pippen is considered as a legit #2 option. While he does have 6 rings as a #2 option I can't put him over some of the 1's who have won it all and even some of the ones who have not.

I have been, and I'm probably kind of biased, but I think we're getting to the point were most impartial people have to consider him. There is still a lot of residual hate for the Heat that I think will probably bias people the other way though.

I think Wade should be ranked higher than Pippen for sure.

Thing about Wade is his career is riddled with injuries but when he was healthy and on he was close to unstoppable as can be.

Yeah, some of these other guys had careers riddled with injuries also. George Mikan only played 439 games over 7 seasons, but that doesn't seem to be held against him. Wade has played 719 going into his 12th season.

I think on a list like this I give more weight to a players peak than his longevity.

[Y2K]

The biggest Things that I see Are hurting Pippen's Case:

-Only 4 out of 17 seasons of 20+ ppg

-Career post-Bulls outside of 2 all-defensive teams was anything but impressive.

-postseason FG% after 1993 is dreadful

[elmouse03]

I have been, and I'm probably kind of biased, but I think we're getting to the point were most impartial people have to consider him. There is still a lot of residual hate for the Heat that I think will probably bias people the other way though.

I think Wade should be ranked higher than Pippen for sure.

Thing about Wade is his career is riddled with injuries but when he was healthy and on he was close to unstoppable as can be.

Yeah, some of these other guys had careers riddled with injuries also. George Mikan only played 439 games over 7 seasons, but that doesn't seem to be held against him. Wade has played 719 going into his 12th season.

I think on a list like this I give more weight to a players peak than his longevity.

Mikan didn't have the 82 game season though. He played in seasons that had 60-72 games from 49-54 and pretty much played in every game each of those seasons.

[ripper76]

Thing about Wade is his career is riddled with injuries but when he was healthy and on he was close to unstoppable as can be.

Yeah, some of these other guys had careers riddled with injuries also. George Mikan only played 439 games over 7 seasons, but that doesn't seem to be held against him. Wade has played 719 going into his 12th season.

I think on a list like this I give more weight to a players peak than his longevity.

Mikan didn't have the 82 game season though. He played in seasons that had 60-72 games from 49-54 and pretty much played in every game each of those seasons.

I don't see how that makes a difference in a direct comparison between the two. Mikan played FEWER shorter seasons and only 61.1 pct of the number of games Wade played for his career.

[elmouse03]

The biggest Things that I see Are hurting Pippen's Case:

-Only 4 out of 17 seasons of 20+ ppg

-Career post-Bulls outside of 2 all-defensive teams was anything but impressive.

-postseason FG% after 1993 is dreadful

Can he be a guy to lead you to a championship? I mean the guy? I would take some guys who never won titles as #1 options over Pip as my guy I want to build around. Hurts because I am a Bulls and Pippen fan but it's the truth imo.

[elmouse03]

Yeah, some of these other guys had careers riddled with injuries also. George Mikan only played 439 games over 7 seasons, but that doesn't seem to be held against him. Wade has played 719 going into his 12th season.

I think on a list like this I give more weight to a players peak than his longevity.

Mikan didn't have the 82 game season though. He played in seasons that had 60-72 games from 49-54 and pretty much played in every game each of those seasons.

I don't see how that makes a difference in a direct comparison between the two. Mikan played FEWER shorter seasons and only 61.1 pct of the number of games Wade played for his career.

Are you talking about when Mikan returned after 1 year of retirement and played in 37 games in 55-56?

[ripper76]

Mikan didn't have the 82 game season though. He played in seasons that had 60-72 games from 49-54 and pretty much played in every game each of those seasons.

I don't see how that makes a difference in a direct comparison between the two. Mikan played FEWER shorter seasons and only 61.1 pct of the number of games Wade played for his career.

Are you talking about when Mikan returned after 1 year of retirement and played in 37 games in 55-56?

I'm talking about the entirety of their careers. Mikan played a lot fewer, and shorter seasons, than Wade, yet people seem to want to hold Wade's "longevity" against him.

[Y2K]

I have been, and I'm probably kind of biased, but I think we're getting to the point were most impartial people have to consider him. There is still a lot of residual hate for the Heat that I think will probably bias people the other way though.

I think Wade should be ranked higher than Pippen for sure.

Thing about Wade is his career is riddled with injuries but when he was healthy and on he was close to unstoppable as can be.

Yeah, some of these other guys had careers riddled with injuries also. George Mikan only played 439 games over 7 seasons, but that doesn't seem to be held against him. Wade has played 719 going into his 12th season.

I think on a list like this I give more weight to a players peak than his longevity.

There's got to be a fine line between high peak and judging longevity. I believe that Magic and Bird overcame their lack of longevity but had longer primes than Wade. Wade just has to be productive at a high level at this point in his career. It doesn't have to be a peak Wade. Just be a 20/5/5 player and play around 65 games per year.

Jerry West was a player who missed chunks of games in several seasons but he sustained a high level of play post-prime.

[elmouse03]

I don't see how that makes a difference in a direct comparison between the two. Mikan played FEWER shorter seasons and only 61.1 pct of the number of games Wade played for his career.

Are you talking about when Mikan returned after 1 year of retirement and played in 37 games in 55-56?

I'm talking about the entirety of their careers. Mikan played a lot fewer, and shorter seasons, than Wade, yet people seem to want to hold Wade's "longevity" against him.

Well it's not Mikan's fault for the era that he played in.

[ripper76]

Are you talking about when Mikan returned after 1 year of retirement and played in 37 games in 55-56?

I'm talking about the entirety of their careers. Mikan played a lot fewer, and shorter seasons, than Wade, yet people seem to want to hold Wade's "longevity" against him.

Well it's not Mikan's fault for the era that he played in.

That goes the other way too.

[elmouse03]

I'm talking about the entirety of their careers. Mikan played a lot fewer, and shorter seasons, than Wade, yet people seem to want to hold Wade's "longevity" against him.

Well it's not Mikan's fault for the era that he played in.

That goes the other way too.

Well Mikan with his numbers (particularly scoring) going down pretty much each year he was still pretty healthy from 49-54 with only missing 2 games in that span. That is 6 seasons of being healthy to Wade's 5 of his career.

[ripper76]

Well it's not Mikan's fault for the era that he played in.

That goes the other way too.

Well Mikan with his numbers (particularly scoring) going down pretty much each year he was still pretty healthy from 49-54 with only missing 2 games in that span. That is 6 seasons of being healthy to Wade's 5 of his career.

Wade played over 70 games in 5 seasons. The last two championships he won are not included in those years. It's a bit silly to act like he had only 5 good years.

[elmouse03]

That goes the other way too.

Well Mikan with his numbers (particularly scoring) going down pretty much each year he was still pretty healthy from 49-54 with only missing 2 games in that span. That is 6 seasons of being healthy to Wade's 5 of his career.

Wade played over 70 games in 5 seasons. The last two championships he won are not included in those years. It's a bit silly to act like he had only 5 good years.

I never said 5 good seasons. I said 5 healthy seasons of playing in at least 75 games. Wade has been good pretty much his entire career. Loved his 08-09 season.

[dwcmwa]

Can't wait till we get into the 400's and 500's.

[Deez]

I nominate Andrew Bynum.

How many times you gonna vote retardedly like this?

I *voted* for Dirk.

I *nominated* Andrew Bynum for future consideration.

And that changes the idiotic "nomination" how exactly? Bynum? lmao, come on man. btw i vote havlicek

[vcsgrizzfan]

That goes the other way too.

Well Mikan with his numbers (particularly scoring) going down pretty much each year he was still pretty healthy from 49-54 with only missing 2 games in that span. That is 6 seasons of being healthy to Wade's 5 of his career.

Wade played over 70 games in 5 seasons. The last two championships he won are not included in those years. It's a bit silly to act like he had only 5 good years.

In Mikan's defense in this discussion, he accomplished a lot more in his healthy seasons that Wade did in his. Wade has 2006 while Mikan dominated over an extended period where he was winning titles routinely.

[elmouse03]

I'm gonna wait till we get this list trimmed down some more before I nominate somebody.

[876Stephen]

22, Hondo's got this.

[Y2K]

I'm going to vote Dirk Nowitzki. Close call For me though.