2014 Anger General Geatest of All Time: #21 selection

[Y2K]

The results are in. Elgin Baylor was voted as the #20 Greatest Player of All Time.



Greatest players of All Time list:
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1. Michael Jordan

2. Bill Russell

3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

4. Ervin Magic Johnson

5. Wilt Chamberlain

6. Larry Bird

7. Tim Duncan

8. Kobe Bryant

9. Shaquille O'Neal

10. Hakeem Olajuwon

11. Lebron James

12. Oscar Robertson

13. Moses Malone

14. Jerry West

15. Julius Erving

16. George Mikan

17. Bob Pettit

18. Karl Malone

19. Kevin Garnett

20. Elgin Baylor


Vote for your #21 player of all time posting the said player's name from the list of candidates available during that particular round.

****NOMINATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED THIS ROUND.********


David Robinson-

John Havlicek - 10

Dirk Nowitzki - 3

Isiah Thomas - 1

Scottie Pippen - 2

Dwyane Wade - 1

Kevin McHale -

Rick Barry -

Charles Barkley -



TOTAL Votes: 17

[876Stephen]

I'll wait and see who everyone else votes for.

[kobeunderbite]

Dirk Nowitzki.

[Y2K]

Case for John Havlicek

Spoiler:

So here's the argument for John Havlicek:

Points 26,395 (20.8 ppg)
Rebounds 8,007 (6.3 rpg)
Assists 6,114 (4.8 apg)

8× NBA champion (1963–1966, 1968–1969, 1974, 1976)
NBA Finals MVP (1974)
13× NBA All-Star (1966–1978)
4× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974)
7× All-NBA Second Team (1964, 1966, 1968–1970, 1975–1976)
5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1972–1976)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1969–1971)
Boston Celtics all-time leading scorer


Look at his career post-Rusell:

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Season    Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G GS   MP   FG  FGA  FG% 3P 3PA 3P%   2P  2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1969-70    29 BOS NBA  SG   81    41.6  9.1 19.6 .464             9.1 19.6 .464 6.0 7.1 .844         7.8 6.8             2.6 24.2
1970-71    30 BOS NBA  SF   81    45.4 11.0 24.5 .450            11.0 24.5 .450 6.8 8.4 .818         9.0 7.5             2.5 28.9
1971-72    31 BOS NBA  SF   82    45.1 10.9 23.9 .458            10.9 23.9 .458 5.6 6.7 .834         8.2 7.5             2.2 27.5
1972-73    32 BOS NBA  SF   80    42.1  9.6 21.3 .450             9.6 21.3 .450 4.6 5.4 .858         7.1 6.6             2.4 23.8
1973-74    33 BOS NBA  SF   76    40.7  9.0 19.8 .456             9.0 19.8 .456 4.6 5.5 .832 1.8 4.6 6.4 5.9 1.3 0.4     2.6 22.6
1974-75    34 BOS NBA  SF   82    38.2  7.8 17.2 .455             7.8 17.2 .455 3.5 4.0 .870 1.9 4.0 5.9 5.3 1.3 0.2     2.8 19.2
1975-76    35 BOS NBA  SF   76    34.2  6.6 14.8 .450             6.6 14.8 .450 3.7 4.4 .844 1.5 2.6 4.1 3.7 1.3 0.4     2.7 17.0
1976-77    36 BOS NBA  SF   79    36.9  7.3 16.2 .452             7.3 16.2 .452 3.0 3.6 .816 1.4 3.5 4.8 5.1 1.1 0.2     2.6 17.7
1977-78    37 BOS NBA  SF   82    34.1  6.7 14.8 .449             6.7 14.8 .449 2.8 3.3 .855 1.1 2.9 4.0 4.0 1.1 0.3 2.5 2.3 16.1
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2× NBA champion 1974, 1976
NBA Finals MVP (1974)
9× NBA All-Star (1970–1978)
4× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1975–1976)
5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1972–1976)
2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970–1971)

Case for Dirk Nowitzki

Spoiler:

10th all-time in points, likely to move into top 7-8.
9th all-time in win shares.
8th all-time in offensive win shares.
1x MVP, FMVP, Champion.
15 consecutive seasons of 17.5-26.6 PPG and counting.
One of six players who achieved a 50-40-90 season.
Led Mavs to playoffs in 13 of 14 seasons and counting.
12x All-Star.
12x All-NBA Team.
One of four players with playoff career average of 25 ppg and 10 rpg.
One of eleven players to have been NBA Champion, NBA regular season MVP, NBA Finals MVP and a 10× NBA All-Star.

Case for Charles Barkley:

Spoiler:

Points 23,757 (22.1 ppg)
Rebounds 12,546 (11.7 rpg)
Assists 4,215 (3.9 apg)

NBA Most Valuable Player (1993)
11× NBA All-Star (1987–1997)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (1991)
5× All-NBA First Team (1988–1991, 1993)
5× All-NBA Second Team (1986–1987, 1992, 1994–1995)
All-NBA Third Team (1996)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
NBA rebounding leader (1986–87)

He's the shortest rebounding champion of all-time, standing at 6'4 1/2.

For those of you who like analytics:

-finished top 8 or higher in PER from 1985-99

Look at the Philadelphia years on an individual level:

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Season      Age  Tm  Lg Pos    G   GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT% ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1984-85      21 PHI NBA  PF   82   60 28.6 5.2  9.5 .545 0.0 0.1 .167 5.2  9.5 .548 3.6  4.9 .733 3.2 5.3  8.6 1.9 1.2 1.0 2.5 3.7 14.0
1985-86      22 PHI NBA  PF   80   80 36.9 7.4 13.0 .572 0.2 0.9 .227 7.2 12.1 .598 5.0  7.2 .685 4.4 8.4 12.8 3.9 2.2 1.6 4.4 4.2 20.0
1986-87      23 PHI NBA  PF   68   62 40.3 8.2 13.8 .594 0.3 1.5 .202 7.9 12.3 .643 6.3  8.3 .761 5.7 8.9 14.6 4.9 1.8 1.5 4.7 3.7 23.0
1987-88      24 PHI NBA  PF   80   80 39.6 9.4 16.0 .587 0.6 2.0 .280 8.9 14.1 .630 8.9 11.9 .751 4.8 7.1 11.9 3.2 1.3 1.3 3.8 3.5 28.3
1988-89      25 PHI NBA  PF   79   79 39.1 8.9 15.3 .579 0.4 2.1 .216 8.4 13.2 .636 7.6 10.1 .753 5.1 7.4 12.5 4.1 1.6 0.8 3.2 3.3 25.8
1989-90      26 PHI NBA  PF   79   79 39.1 8.9 14.9 .600 0.3 1.2 .217 8.7 13.7 .632 7.1  9.4 .749 4.6 6.9 11.5 3.9 1.9 0.6 3.1 3.2 25.2
1990-91      27 PHI NBA  PF   67   67 37.3 9.9 17.4 .570 0.7 2.3 .284 9.3 15.1 .614 7.1  9.8 .722 3.9 6.3 10.1 4.2 1.6 0.5 3.1 2.6 27.6
1991-92      28 PHI NBA  PF   75   75 38.4 8.3 15.0 .552 0.4 1.8 .234 7.9 13.2 .597 6.1  8.7 .695 3.6 7.5 11.1 4.1 1.8 0.6 3.1 2.6 23.1

8 seasons        PHI NBA      610  582 37.3 8.2 14.3 .576 0.4 1.5 .241 7.9 12.8 .614 6.4  8.8 .733 4.4 7.2 11.6 3.7 1.7 1.0 3.5 3.4 23.3

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[FPL]

Dirk

[AbeVigodaLive]

Havlicek.

When do nominations open up?

Because I see Isiah on the list. And even McHale. But no Stockton or Cousy?

[Y2K]

Havlicek.

When do nominations open up?

Because I see Isiah on the list. And even McHale. But no Stockton or Cousy?

Starting this round. I failed to mention that in the OP so you can definitely nominate a player this round.

[kobeunderbite]

I nominate Andrew Bynum.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The thing about Havlicek... he was simply consistently good to great.

As the first top-notch 6th man... and as THE guy. He won as both. And he's one of the few guys in that era who didn't have inflated stats during the ABA/NBA split. His Per 36 numbers stayed pretty even.

And Havlicek could play defense. He was 1st team all defense at the tail end of his career when they fist starting awarding it... he Shirley would have earned a few more earlier in his career.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Havlicek.

When do nominations open up?

Because I see Isiah on the list. And even McHale. But no Stockton or Cousy?

Starting this round. I failed to mention that in the OP so you can definitely nominate a player this round.

It's time for Cousy to be considered.

[Bush4Ever]

Hondo.

Like I said before...sort of a poor man's Kobe Bryant IMO.

IIRC his lung capacity was freakishly large, which was credited for his insane cardio and endurance.



Edit: I'll throw Sam Jones into the mix. I have a bad feeling I am forgetting someone obvious though.

[876Stephen]

I nominate Allen Iverson

[Deez]

I nominate Andrew Bynum.

How many times you gonna vote retardedly like this?

[kobeunderbite]

I nominate Andrew Bynum.

How many times you gonna vote retardedly like this?

I *voted* for Dirk.

I *nominated* Andrew Bynum for future consideration.

[Bush4Ever]

Undies, I request that you stop being a faggot.

Thanks.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Hondo.

Like I said before...sort of a poor man's Kobe Bryant IMO.

IIRC his lung capacity was freakishly large, which was credited for his insane cardio and endurance.



Edit: I'll throw Sam Jones into the mix. I have a bad feeling I am forgetting someone obvious though.

John Stockton?

[876Stephen]

Undies, I request that you stop being a faggot.

Thanks.

Faggot calling other people faggot's?

[Bush4Ever]

Undies, I request that you stop being a faggot.

Thanks.

Faggot calling other people faggot's?

That was uncalled for, and I did nothing to deserve that remark.

[Master Spade]

At this point, there are just so many that could be #21, but could also drop to #29!!!


For me, it's between J.Havlicek and S.Pippen.


But........who to choose..........? Unlike all the young people on here who make it their mission to disrespect anyone they never saw play, I like to give credit where credit is due. J.H. deserves SERIOUS consideration for this spot!


.............this is difficult!!! but.......I vote.......................



John Havlicek



His resume is just too Great. He won as a support player, AND as the #1 Man. That is what separates him from Pippen, if only slightly.

[Bush4Ever]

Actually in retrospect, I should have looked at Sam Jones's career numbers a bit more. They are somewhat more modest than I had guessed or remembered.

I'll switch my nomination to Stockton.