2014 Anger General Geatest of All Time: #20 selection

[Y2K]

I would vote Hondo ahead of Baylor with out hesitation.

Because you're a Baylor Hater.

Please list what Baylor has accomplished to have him ranked ahead of Hondo or Barry or Malone or Kg or Dirk etc other than the gaudy(inefficient)scoring and rebounding.

Abe hasn't done it yet.

And if Abe can't , there's no way u can.

Basically you're insinuating that it boils down to rings.

[876Stephen]

Because you're a Baylor Hater.

Please list what Baylor has accomplished to have him ranked ahead of Hondo or Barry or Malone or Kg or Dirk etc other than the gaudy(inefficient)scoring and rebounding.

Abe hasn't done it yet.

And if Abe can't , there's no way u can.

Basically you're insinuating that it boils down to rings.

No regular season mvp's, obviously no fmvp's no titles.

Buy voting for Baylor you guys are basically acknowledging that only thing that matters at this stage is how skilled you were as a basketball player and did you put up gaudy stats which is the only way you can have Baylor ahead of any of those guys.

In which case, i would like to nominate Allen Iverson. for the next round.

[dwcmwa]

I would vote Hondo ahead of Baylor with out hesitation.

Because you're a Baylor Hater.

Please list what Baylor has accomplished to have him ranked ahead of Hondo or Barry or Malone or Kg or Dirk etc other than the gaudy(inefficient)scoring and rebounding.

Abe hasn't done it yet.

And if Abe can't , there's no way u can.

Baylor was a magnificent player, who appeared in many NBA Finals, put up the highest point total in Finals History, and was THE first player to be a dynamic wing player, paving the way for Dr. J, M.J., etc.

Sure he only has 1 ring, but you can't deny his greatness and talent he showed on a year by year basis when he was healthy. The guy was a monster in the scoring column and on the boards.

[876Stephen]

Because you're a Baylor Hater.

Please list what Baylor has accomplished to have him ranked ahead of Hondo or Barry or Malone or Kg or Dirk etc other than the gaudy(inefficient)scoring and rebounding.

Abe hasn't done it yet.

And if Abe can't , there's no way u can.

Baylor was a magnificent player, who appeared in many NBA Finals, put up the highest point total in Finals History, and was THE first player to be a dynamic wing player, paving the way for Dr. J, M.J., etc.

Sure he only has 1 ring, but you can't deny his greatness and talent he showed on a year by year basis when he was healthy. The guy was a monster in the scoring column and on the boards.

First of all he has no rings. 8 appearances, no rings. How can you guys ignore this glaring black mark on his resume and not dock him for it especially considering the talent he played with?

Big O was more of an influence on those guys than Baylor was. I'm not denying he was great and talented but so is AI. I just didn't know that was all it took to be ranked in the top 20 all time.

And again, he was an inefficient, volume scorer especially compared to West and he's lucky they didn't keep track of turnovers back then.

[876Stephen]

Plus i didn't know we were giving credit for finals appearances now. I though the goal was to win it once you get there. That's what matters. No one cares that Lebron has 5 finals appearances. They only care about how many he's won. Same with any other player.

[dwcmwa]

Please list what Baylor has accomplished to have him ranked ahead of Hondo or Barry or Malone or Kg or Dirk etc other than the gaudy(inefficient)scoring and rebounding.

Abe hasn't done it yet.

And if Abe can't , there's no way u can.

Baylor was a magnificent player, who appeared in many NBA Finals, put up the highest point total in Finals History, and was THE first player to be a dynamic wing player, paving the way for Dr. J, M.J., etc.

Sure he only has 1 ring, but you can't deny his greatness and talent he showed on a year by year basis when he was healthy. The guy was a monster in the scoring column and on the boards.

First of all he has no rings.

Big O was more of an influence on those guys than Baylor was. I'm not denying he was great and talented but so is AI. I just didn't know that was all it took to be ranked in the top 20 all time.

And again, he was an inefficient, volume scorer especially compared to West and he's lucky they didn't keep track of turnovers back then.

Though Baylor did retire during the 1971-72, he still got a ring. And to compare a career loser (Iverson) to the Best Wing player during some of his time (Baylor) is ridiculous. The lower field goal percentage from the earlier era is due to a faster playing pace. Elgin is almost universally considered not only a top 20 player of all time, but one of the most well-rounded players in NBA history.

For you to compare this legend to Allen Iverson (a fine player, but nowhere near Baylor's level) is indefensible.

[dwcmwa]

Please list what Baylor has accomplished to have him ranked ahead of Hondo or Barry or Malone or Kg or Dirk etc other than the gaudy(inefficient)scoring and rebounding.

Abe hasn't done it yet.

And if Abe can't , there's no way u can.

Baylor was a magnificent player, who appeared in many NBA Finals, put up the highest point total in Finals History, and was THE first player to be a dynamic wing player, paving the way for Dr. J, M.J., etc.

Sure he only has 1 ring, but you can't deny his greatness and talent he showed on a year by year basis when he was healthy. The guy was a monster in the scoring column and on the boards.

First of all he has no rings. 8 appearances, no rings. How can you guys ignore this glaring black mark on his resume and not dock him for it especially considering the talent he played with?

Big O was more of an influence on those guys than Baylor was. I'm not denying he was great and talented but so is AI. I just didn't know that was all it took to be ranked in the top 20 all time.

And again, he was an inefficient, volume scorer especially compared to West and he's lucky they didn't keep track of turnovers back then.

Baylor was more of an influence, given he was high-flying and acrobatic, and explosive. Oscar while certainly an influence, had more of a methodical touch to his game.

[876Stephen]

Baylor was a magnificent player, who appeared in many NBA Finals, put up the highest point total in Finals History, and was THE first player to be a dynamic wing player, paving the way for Dr. J, M.J., etc.

Sure he only has 1 ring, but you can't deny his greatness and talent he showed on a year by year basis when he was healthy. The guy was a monster in the scoring column and on the boards.

First of all he has no rings.

Big O was more of an influence on those guys than Baylor was. I'm not denying he was great and talented but so is AI. I just didn't know that was all it took to be ranked in the top 20 all time.

And again, he was an inefficient, volume scorer especially compared to West and he's lucky they didn't keep track of turnovers back then.

Though Baylor did retire during the 1971-72, he still got a ring. And to compare a career loser (Iverson) to the Best Wing player during some of his time (Baylor) is ridiculous. The lower field goal percentage from the earlier era is due to a faster playing pace. Elgin is almost universally considered not only a top 20 player of all time, but one of the most well-rounded players in NBA history.

For you to compare this legend to Allen Iverson (a fine player, but nowhere near Baylor's level) is indefensible.

Irrelevant. He isn't credited with being a part of that championship hence the zero rings argument. Argue semantics all u want.

And if you go 0-8 in the finals, Does that not make you a career loser? I don't know what does.

He was never better than West except for West's rookie year so let's get that out of the way.

And it's weird how you guys keep bringing the faster pace which explains his inefficiency. didn't guys like West, Hondo, Wilt, Russell and other stars have to play in that era? They all shot the ball much better than Baylor did.

In terms of award, accolades and accomplishments, Iverson and Baylor are very close.

[876Stephen]

Baylor was a magnificent player, who appeared in many NBA Finals, put up the highest point total in Finals History, and was THE first player to be a dynamic wing player, paving the way for Dr. J, M.J., etc.

Sure he only has 1 ring, but you can't deny his greatness and talent he showed on a year by year basis when he was healthy. The guy was a monster in the scoring column and on the boards.

First of all he has no rings. 8 appearances, no rings. How can you guys ignore this glaring black mark on his resume and not dock him for it especially considering the talent he played with?

Big O was more of an influence on those guys than Baylor was. I'm not denying he was great and talented but so is AI. I just didn't know that was all it took to be ranked in the top 20 all time.

And again, he was an inefficient, volume scorer especially compared to West and he's lucky they didn't keep track of turnovers back then.

Baylor was more of an influence, given he was high-flying and acrobatic, and explosive. Oscar while certainly an influence, had more of a methodical touch to his game.

Oscar was the first true do it all player and Erving, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Lebron and others have copied his all around style of play. Baylor wasn't even close to as versatile as Big O was.

[dwcmwa]

ROFL, your total lack of knowledge about Baylor is criminal.

Ask West, Oscar, Russell and they will tell you how spectacular Baylor was.

The fact that you think LeBron James, Allen Iverson and others are better than Baylor is laughable. The guy was 6'5 yet averaged 18 boards a game, he's 2nd all-time in Lakers history in rebounds, could score anywhere in anyway on the court, had the strength to back down Bill Russell, etc. Sure he couldn't overcome the Celtics or win a title, but neither could his teammate Jerry West until the 70's, when Baylor was never quite the same due to injury.

Sure Mr. Clutch has the better overall resume and is considered higher all-time, but Baylor is not far behind, and should not be ranked outside the Top 20 on any serious list.

[dwcmwa]

Also the fact that you have been voting for Rick Barry for nearly the last 10 picks is despicable.

Barry was an awesome player, but no he wasn't better than Karl Malone, Baylor, Pippen, Mikan, Havlicek & Barkley.

He certainly falls within the 21-30 range though.

[wailuaFC]

DWC showcasing why he is one of the premier minds on this site. Stephen, Russell a career 44% shooting was in the top 5 for fg% multiple times, thats why not many hold inefficiency against players during that era (actually alot of people do, but only those who dont take context of era into account), so you can toss that argument against baylor out of the window. For a guy to play in the finals for more then half of his career is pretty damn impressive, regardless of how many he won, that is just a hell of a feat.

[elmouse03]

So the argument is that Baylor shouldn't be on the list till all the people with championships and/or awards are ahead of him?

Well if that's the case I am nominating the great Robert Horry the next time around.

[Bush4Ever]

If you go 0-8 in the Finals, you went [insert good record here] in winning other types of big games, like WCF or ECF styled series.

Flunking out in the Finals requires that you win a lot of big games along the way.

See also (Kelly, Jim, football).

[Y2K]

Baylor was a magnificent player, who appeared in many NBA Finals, put up the highest point total in Finals History, and was THE first player to be a dynamic wing player, paving the way for Dr. J, M.J., etc.

Sure he only has 1 ring, but you can't deny his greatness and talent he showed on a year by year basis when he was healthy. The guy was a monster in the scoring column and on the boards.

First of all he has no rings. 8 appearances, no rings. How can you guys ignore this glaring black mark on his resume and not dock him for it especially considering the talent he played with?

Big O was more of an influence on those guys than Baylor was. I'm not denying he was great and talented but so is AI. I just didn't know that was all it took to be ranked in the top 20 all time.

And again, he was an inefficient, volume scorer especially compared to West and he's lucky they didn't keep track of turnovers back then.

Baylor was more of an influence, given he was high-flying and acrobatic, and explosive. Oscar while certainly an influence, had more of a methodical touch to his game.

Absolutely Correct my fellow Bulls fan.

[Y2K]

Plus i didn't know we were giving credit for finals appearances now. I though the goal was to win it once you get there. That's what matters. No one cares that Lebron has 5 finals appearances. They only care about how many he's won. Same with any other player.

I feel the same way.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Plus i didn't know we were giving credit for finals appearances now. I though the goal was to win it once you get there. That's what matters. No one cares that Lebron has 5 finals appearances. They only care about how many he's won. Same with any other player.

I feel the same way.

So, it would be more impressive to get knocked out of the 1st round or miss the playoffs entirely 7 times, only to win a ring on visit #8... than to make it to the Final 8 times only to lose to a superior team? Just saying... hypothetically...

[Y2K]

First of all he has no rings.

Big O was more of an influence on those guys than Baylor was. I'm not denying he was great and talented but so is AI. I just didn't know that was all it took to be ranked in the top 20 all time.

And again, he was an inefficient, volume scorer especially compared to West and he's lucky they didn't keep track of turnovers back then.

Though Baylor did retire during the 1971-72, he still got a ring. And to compare a career loser (Iverson) to the Best Wing player during some of his time (Baylor) is ridiculous. The lower field goal percentage from the earlier era is due to a faster playing pace. Elgin is almost universally considered not only a top 20 player of all time, but one of the most well-rounded players in NBA history.

For you to compare this legend to Allen Iverson (a fine player, but nowhere near Baylor's level) is indefensible.

Irrelevant. He isn't credited with being a part of that championship hence the zero rings argument. Argue semantics all u want.

And if you go 0-8 in the finals, Does that not make you a career loser? I don't know what does.

He was never better than West except for West's rookie year so let's get that out of the way.

And it's weird how you guys keep bringing the faster pace which explains his inefficiency. didn't guys like West, Hondo, Wilt, Russell and other stars have to play in that era? They all shot the ball much better than Baylor did.

In terms of award, accolades and accomplishments, Iverson and Baylor are very close.

The thing about Jerry West Is that he was on a completely different level of efficiency than the rest of the league after his rookie year. He was not the standard. He was superior to the standard.

Hondo shot 44% for his career. Baylor 43%. Not a big difference.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Though Baylor did retire during the 1971-72, he still got a ring. And to compare a career loser (Iverson) to the Best Wing player during some of his time (Baylor) is ridiculous. The lower field goal percentage from the earlier era is due to a faster playing pace. Elgin is almost universally considered not only a top 20 player of all time, but one of the most well-rounded players in NBA history.

For you to compare this legend to Allen Iverson (a fine player, but nowhere near Baylor's level) is indefensible.

Irrelevant. He isn't credited with being a part of that championship hence the zero rings argument. Argue semantics all u want.

And if you go 0-8 in the finals, Does that not make you a career loser? I don't know what does.

He was never better than West except for West's rookie year so let's get that out of the way.

And it's weird how you guys keep bringing the faster pace which explains his inefficiency. didn't guys like West, Hondo, Wilt, Russell and other stars have to play in that era? They all shot the ball much better than Baylor did.

In terms of award, accolades and accomplishments, Iverson and Baylor are very close.

The thing about Jerry West Is that he was on a completely different level of efficiency than the rest of the league after his rookie year. He was not the standard. He was superior to the standard.

Hondo shot 44% for his career. Baylor 43%. Not a big difference.

Russell also shot 44%, as a center.

And remember, Baylor improved his shooting efficiency in the playoffs. How many other big-time scorers who made it to multiple Finals actually improved efficiency in the playoffs?

[Y2K]

Plus i didn't know we were giving credit for finals appearances now. I though the goal was to win it once you get there. That's what matters. No one cares that Lebron has 5 finals appearances. They only care about how many he's won. Same with any other player.

I feel the same way.

So, it would be more impressive to get knocked out of the 1st round or miss the playoffs entirely 7 times, only to win a ring on visit #8... than to make it to the Final 8 times only to lose to a superior team? Just saying... hypothetically...

Winning rings is more impressive. The other stuff, I couldn't care much less about.

I don't care that the 87 lakers played shit for competition before defeating Boston, while Boston had to go thru The Bucks and Pistons just to get to the Finals, in which they lost. The Lakers won the championship which means that they got the job done.

Elgin Baylor's teams didn't get the job done not one single time.

BUTTTT, that shouldn't be the biggest thing on which he's judged on because he was a heck of a player.