2014 Anger General Greatest of All Time #16

[ripper76]

Sorry but voting for Mikan is flat out stupid. How the hell does he beat out a lot of those guys? Bob Pettit should be over Mikan. Mikan has rings and that's the only thing he has on Pettit. Pettit is my vote OP

Oh, so influence, PER and Win Shares among the greatest players ever means nothing to you?

Fair enough.

Take all things into account. stats, rings, etc. I find it quite sad that Mikan has as many votes as he does over Pettit when it shouldn't be close.

NBA Championships and Seasons
NBA Championships
George Mikan 5
Bob Pettit 1

NBA Seasons
George Mikan 7
Bob Pettit 11

Playoffs Played
George Mikan 7
Bob Pettit 9

All-Star Games
George Mikan 4
Bob Pettit 11
Honors and Awards

Season MVP
George Mikan 0
Bob Pettit 2

All-NBA First Team
George Mikan 6
Bob Pettit 10
All-NBA Teams

(Total Selections)
George Mikan 6
Bob Pettit 11

Scoring Leader
George Mikan 3
Bob Pettit 2

Rebounds Leader
George Mikan 1
Bob Pettit 1

Rookie of The Year
George Mikan 0
Bob Pettit 1

NBA Regular Season Stats
Stats Per Game
Points Per Game
George Mikan 23.1
Bob Pettit 26.4

Rebounds Per Game
George Mikan 13.4
Bob Pettit 16.2

Assists Per Game
George Mikan 2.8
Bob Pettit 3.0

Totals Stats
Total Points
George Mikan 10,156
Bob Pettit 20,880

Total Rebounds
George Mikan 4,167
Bob Pettit 12,849

Total Assists
George Mikan 1,245
Bob Pettit 2,369

Total Games
George Mikan 439
Bob Pettit 792

Percentages
Field Goal Percentage
George Mikan .404
Bob Pettit .436

Free Throw Percentage
George Mikan .782
Bob Pettit .761

Best Season
Points Per Game
George Mikan 28.4
(1951)
Bob Pettit 31.1
(1962)

Rebounds Per Game
George Mikan 14.4
(1953)
Bob Pettit 20.3
(1961)

Assists Per Game
George Mikan 3.6
(1949)
Bob Pettit 3.7
(1962)

NBA Playoffs Stats
Stats Per Game
Points Per Game
George Mikan 24.0
Bob Pettit 25.5

Rebounds Per Game
George Mikan 13.9
Bob Pettit 14.8

Assists Per Game
George Mikan 2.2
Bob Pettit 2.7

Totals Stats
Total Points
George Mikan 1,680
Bob Pettit 2,240

Total Rebounds
George Mikan 665
Bob Pettit 1,304

Total Assists
George Mikan 155
Bob Pettit 241

Total Games
George Mikan 70
Bob Pettit 88

Percentages
Field Goal Percentage
George Mikan .404
Bob Pettit .418

Free Throw Percentage
George Mikan .786
Bob Pettit .774

Best Playoff
Points Per Game
George Mikan 31.3
(1950)
Bob Pettit 31.8
(1963)

Rebounds Per Game
George Mikan 15.9
(1952)
Bob Pettit 17.6
(1961)

Assists Per Game
George Mikan 3.0
(1950)
Bob Pettit 3.7

Sounds like a good argument for Pettit.

I'll vote for him.

[Y2K]

I'm going to go with the other Minnesota great: KG.

1. Only player in NBA history to reach at least 25,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 5,000 assists, 1,500 steals and 1,500 blocks in his career

2. Only player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists per game for 6 consecutive seasons (1999–2000—2004–05)

3. Only player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and 4 assists per game for 9 consecutive seasons (1998–99—2006–07)

4. Seasons leading the league in defensive rebounds: 5 (2002–03—2006–07)

5. Consecutive seasons leading the league in defensive rebounds: 5 (2002–03—2006–07)

6. First player in NBA History to win the NBA Player of the Month Award four times in a single season. (2003-04)

7. Third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistics (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks) in the same season: Minnesota Timberwolves, 2002–03


He may not have the multiple rings and MVPs but he's definitely worthy of this selection.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Well, any time you can go with the guy who won four NBA Player of the Month Awards... you shirley have to take him ahead of a guy who was the best player for every single month for 5 straight seasons and almost his entire career.

[Y2K]

Well, any time you can go with the guy who won four NBA Player of the Month Awards... you shirley have to take him ahead of a guy who was the best player for every single month for 5 straight seasons and almost his entire career.

Of course it's easy to be the best with shit for league wide competition.

[Yuh]

KG & Dirk should battle it out for 18th after Mikan & Pettit.

[elmouse03]

Well, any time you can go with the guy who won four NBA Player of the Month Awards... you shirley have to take him ahead of a guy who was the best player for every single month for 5 straight seasons and almost his entire career.

Of course it's easy to be the best with shit for league wide competition.

Talking about Mikan?

[Y2K]

Well, any time you can go with the guy who won four NBA Player of the Month Awards... you shirley have to take him ahead of a guy who was the best player for every single month for 5 straight seasons and almost his entire career.

Of course it's easy to be the best with shit for league wide competition.

Talking about Mikan?

Of course. No disrespect to him but I don't think that he could transcend into the 60s as a dominant force, which was 4 years after his retirement. But I do feel that he's a top 20 greatest player of all time.

[elmouse03]

Of course it's easy to be the best with shit for league wide competition.

Talking about Mikan?

Of course. No disrespect to him but I don't think that he could transcend into the 60s as a dominant force, which was 4 years after his retirement. But I do feel that he's a top 20 greatest player of all time.

Well how do you feel about Mikan vs Pettit debate?

[Y2K]

Talking about Mikan?

Of course. No disrespect to him but I don't think that he could transcend into the 60s as a dominant force, which was 4 years after his retirement. But I do feel that he's a top 20 greatest player of all time.

Well how do you feel about Mikan vs Pettit debate?

I'd give Mikan the edge. His output had more of an influence on his team's overall success, especially in the playoffs.

[thedangerouskitchen]

People keep talking about Mikan's "era", yet he won the NBA Championship in 1954 (as the undisputed best/most valuable player on his team) facing many of the same players Bill Russell competed with/against his first few years in the league: Cousy, Sharman, Macauley, Johnston, Lovellette, Arizin, Schayes, Gallatin, etc. In fact, look at the participants in the 1954, 1957 and 1960 All-Star games:

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I sure don't see any huge disparity in talent during that 7 year span. So the way I see it, if we're going to dismiss Mikan's era then we should discount EVERY players' accomplishments at least through the 1960 season... including Russell's.

Further, if Mikan was still a dominating player in 1954, and the overall talent in the league was just marginally better 5-6-7 years later, it stands to reason that he would have continued to dominate during that period had he not retired.

[elmouse03]

Of course. No disrespect to him but I don't think that he could transcend into the 60s as a dominant force, which was 4 years after his retirement. But I do feel that he's a top 20 greatest player of all time.

Well how do you feel about Mikan vs Pettit debate?

I'd give Mikan the edge. His output had more of an influence on his team's overall success, especially in the playoffs.

But didn't you say that his competition wasn't all that?

Pettit had to go through West and Baylor in the West just to face Russell in the Finals.

[Y2K]

People keep talking about Mikan's "era", yet he won the NBA Championship in 1954 (as the undisputed best/most valuable player on his team) facing many of the same players Bill Russell competed with/against his first few years in the league: Cousy, Sharman, Macauley, Johnston, Lovellette, Arizin, Schayes, Gallatin, etc. In fact, look at the participants in the 1954, 1957 and 1960 All-Star games:

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I sure don't see any huge disparity in talent during that 7 year span. So the way I see it, if we're going to dismiss Mikan's era then we should discount EVERY players' accomplishments at least through the 1960 season... including Russell's.

Further, if Mikan was still a dominating player in 1954, and the overall talent in the league was just marginally better 5-6-7 years later, it stands to reason that he would have continued to dominate during that period had he not retired.

Mikan's scoring and FG% was way down by 1954 from his best years.

But the main thing that is that the league saw an increase in size and athleticism by the time 1961 had arrived.

Red Kerr, Walt Bellamy, Russell, Wilt, and a couple others came after Mikan was the big man in a smaller man's league.

I'm not saying that Mikan would be a mere role player. But i don't see him quite being able to have the impact that he had in the 40s-1952.
He was no longer going to be playing against lesser talent, skill and athleticism.

[Y2K]

Well how do you feel about Mikan vs Pettit debate?

I'd give Mikan the edge. His output had more of an influence on his team's overall success, especially in the playoffs.

But didn't you say that his competition wasn't all that?

Pettit had to go through West and Baylor in the West just to face Russell in the Finals.

Yeah but also at their regular season records over the years.

[elmouse03]

I'd give Mikan the edge. His output had more of an influence on his team's overall success, especially in the playoffs.

But didn't you say that his competition wasn't all that?

Pettit had to go through West and Baylor in the West just to face Russell in the Finals.

Yeah but also at their regular season records over the years.

You think Mikan's and his teams would have been able to challenge to the likes of Russell's Celtics? Pettit could of had 3 titles because he went 7 with Russell in 57 when his team won 10 less games then Russell's Celtics that year and 7 in 60 when they won 13 less games then Russell's Celtics. In 61 I have read that many believed if the Hawks would of had a decent amount of rest that they probably could have beaten Russell's Celtics that year for the title if not go to another 7th game. But in 61 they might have the greatest conference finals ever with the Lakers that year. Pettit might have played in the greatest NBA finals ever back in 57 and the greatest Conference finals ever in 61 during his career.

Not trying to sway your vote. Just in the mood for the logical basketball discussion might I add.

[Y2K]

But didn't you say that his competition wasn't all that?

Pettit had to go through West and Baylor in the West just to face Russell in the Finals.

Yeah but also at their regular season records over the years.

You think Mikan's and his teams would have been able to challenge to the likes of Russell's Celtics? Pettit could of had 3 titles because he went 7 with Russell in 57 when his team won 10 less games then Russell's Celtics that year and 7 in 60 when they won 13 less games then Russell's Celtics. In 61 I have read that many believed if the Hawks would of had a decent amount of rest that they probably could have beaten Russell's Celtics that year for the title if not go to another 7th game. But in 61 they might have the greatest conference finals ever with the Lakers that year. Pettit might have played in the greatest NBA finals ever back in 57 and the greatest Conference finals ever in 61 during his career.

Not trying to sway your vote. Just in the mood for the logical basketball discussion might I add.

Honestly, I'm not sure one way or the other about Mikan's Lakers against Russell's Celtics. But Mikan being a legit two-way threat while Pettit not so much is why i feel that Mikan had a bit more influence on his team winning more than Pettit....regardless of the level of competition.

[Deez]

I just don't see how you take Mikan over Pettit? Did anyone look at all the stats, accolades etc that i posted? 10,000 points for mikan in his career? Really? If that was a Kobe vs anyone debate people would look at how long one vs the other played and talk about his stats being better across teh board while doubling his scoring in his career. outside of his rings Pettit has him beat everywhere.

[Havlicekstealsit]

Holy shitballs Mikan is winning! Abe is influential!

[elmouse03]

Holy shitballs Mikan is winning! Abe is influential!

He obviously learned that from artman.

[elmouse03]

I just don't see how you take Mikan over Pettit? Did anyone look at all the stats, accolades etc that i posted? 10,000 points for mikan in his career? Really? If that was a Kobe vs anyone debate people would look at how long one vs the other played and talk about his stats being better across teh board while doubling his scoring in his career. outside of his rings Pettit has him beat everywhere.

Mikan was the leagues first true superstar. Pettit was the games first true PF. Mikan might have more rings but would his team(s) beat Pettits?

[Deez]

I just don't see how you take Mikan over Pettit? Did anyone look at all the stats, accolades etc that i posted? 10,000 points for mikan in his career? Really? If that was a Kobe vs anyone debate people would look at how long one vs the other played and talk about his stats being better across teh board while doubling his scoring in his career. outside of his rings Pettit has him beat everywhere.

Mikan was the leagues first true superstar. Pettit was the games first true PF. Mikan might have more rings but would his team(s) beat Pettits?

Nope