2014 Anger General Greatest of All Time #10

[876Stephen]

Btw Stephen:

Lebron doesn't have the longevity nor does he have the upper hand on defense. He also stacked himself on a team to win while Hakeem Olajuwon did far more with less help in 1994: MVP, DPOY and FMVP. No other player has ever done that. He also finished his career in the top 10 in 4 major categories: pts, blks, rebs and steals. No other player has done that.

Lebron, in terms of accomplishments has already done more in less time than Hakeem. And you want to talk about bad teams, Lebron on the Cavs was incredible. That was a team that won less than 20 games with out him. They were absolutely horrible.

And in terms of career totals, Lebron's career isn't over yet and i think it's likely he finishes high on all those lists.

No he hasn't. He has more regular season mvps and that's it.

His career still being far from incomplete is why I don't put him in the top 10.

Lebron has the same number o titles and fmvp's, three more regular season mvp's, more first team all nba selections, same amount of all defense first team selections. Lebron's career numbers in the regular and postseaon are right there and in some case better than Hakeem. Lebron has certainly done more and will only continue to create further separation from Hakeem.

[Y2K]

The Logo.
You all do understand that there was basketball before the 90s, correct?

Yeah but West got passed up. He's 13th on my list.

[PhutureDynasty]

Just posted this in a different thread but...

Think I have to give the nod to Lebron over Hakeem by a hair. Hakeem's stats, defense, and accolades are ridiculous and him and Lebron both have 2 rings and 2 FMVPs. But LeBron James' matches him in overall game (offense, defense, playmaking, leadership) and his 4 MVPs gives him a slight edge. Plus his career is still going so the story isn't over yet.

No disrespect to The Dream by any means but give me LBJ at 10. Hakeem at 11.

[Y2K]

Lebron, in terms of accomplishments has already done more in less time than Hakeem. And you want to talk about bad teams, Lebron on the Cavs was incredible. That was a team that won less than 20 games with out him. They were absolutely horrible.

And in terms of career totals, Lebron's career isn't over yet and i think it's likely he finishes high on all those lists.

No he hasn't. He has more regular season mvps and that's it.

His career still being far from incomplete is why I don't put him in the top 10.

Lebron has the same number o titles and fmvp's, three more regular season mvp's, more first team all nba selections, same amount of all defense first team selections. Lebron's career numbers in the regular and postseaon are right there and in some case better than Hakeem. Lebron has certainly done more and will only continue to create further separation from Hakeem.

You can't compare centers to guards and forwards when you're talking about all-nba and defensive selections. Centers only have 1 spot per team while guards and forwards have two.

[PhutureDynasty]

This ATG list up to #9 is identical to mine besides Kobe and Shaq are switched.

[876Stephen]

No he hasn't. He has more regular season mvps and that's it.

His career still being far from incomplete is why I don't put him in the top 10.

Lebron has the same number o titles and fmvp's, three more regular season mvp's, more first team all nba selections, same amount of all defense first team selections. Lebron's career numbers in the regular and postseaon are right there and in some case better than Hakeem. Lebron has certainly done more and will only continue to create further separation from Hakeem.

You can't compare centers to guards and forwards when you're talking about all-nba and defensive selections. Centers only have 1 spot per team while guards and forwards have two.

I agree that Hakeem is a slightly better defender than a prime Lebron. But i'm just saying that it's not that huge of separation between them in that category.

[Havlicekstealsit]

TDK & Bulls fans worst nightmare coming true - LeBron has entered Top 10 all-time territory.

[Y2K]

Lebron has the same number o titles and fmvp's, three more regular season mvp's, more first team all nba selections, same amount of all defense first team selections. Lebron's career numbers in the regular and postseaon are right there and in some case better than Hakeem. Lebron has certainly done more and will only continue to create further separation from Hakeem.

You can't compare centers to guards and forwards when you're talking about all-nba and defensive selections. Centers only have 1 spot per team while guards and forwards have two.

I agree that Hakeem is a slightly better defender than a prime Lebron. But i'm just saying that it's not that huge of separation between them in that category.

Dream has 2 DPOY awards. He's the all-time leader in blocks and is the only big in the top 10 in steals. There a huge gap between the two.

[Havlicekstealsit]

You can't compare centers to guards and forwards when you're talking about all-nba and defensive selections. Centers only have 1 spot per team while guards and forwards have two.

I agree that Hakeem is a slightly better defender than a prime Lebron. But i'm just saying that it's not that huge of separation between them in that category.

Dream has 2 DPOY awards. He's the all-time leader in blocks and is the only big in the top 10 in steals. There a huge gap between the two.

Indeed. Slightly better? Come on now. Hakeem at his best routinely averaged 4-5-6 blocks a game/14-16rpg some playoffs when the competition was tougher. Dude just owned the paint.

[elmouse03]

The Logo.
You all do understand that there was basketball before the 90s, correct?

Really? I didnt notice with the likes of wilt and russell being voted onto the list.

[Havlicekstealsit]

The Logo.
You all do understand that there was basketball before the 90s, correct?

Really? I didnt notice with the likes of wilt and russell being voted onto the list.

Putos destroid.

[876Stephen]

You can't compare centers to guards and forwards when you're talking about all-nba and defensive selections. Centers only have 1 spot per team while guards and forwards have two.

I agree that Hakeem is a slightly better defender than a prime Lebron. But i'm just saying that it's not that huge of separation between them in that category.

Dream has 2 DPOY awards. He's the all-time leader in blocks and is the only big in the top 10 in steals. There a huge gap between the two.

Lebron was the best perimeter defender in the league the past couple of seasons. When he was locked in, there was no one like him.

And i probably exagerrated a little. Hakeem is a better defender than Lebron.

[Y2K]

No disrespect to anyone these lists are all subjective. BUT I think some ppl need to go do some extra research on Hakeem Olajuwon's career Beyond just the Rings and mvps.

[kobeunderbite]

LeBron James.

[Y2K]

I agree that Hakeem is a slightly better defender than a prime Lebron. But i'm just saying that it's not that huge of separation between them in that category.

Dream has 2 DPOY awards. He's the all-time leader in blocks and is the only big in the top 10 in steals. There a huge gap between the two.

Lebron was the best perimeter defender in the league the past couple of seasons. When he was locked in, there was no one like him.

And i probably exagerrated a little. Hakeem is a better defender than Lebron.

It's all good bro. Honestly, I can actually see lebron as a top 5 GOAT before it's all done.

[876Stephen]

No disrespect to anyone these lists are all subjective. BUT I think some ppl need to go do some extra research on Hakeem Olajuwon's career Beyond just the Rings and mvps.

Like?

I know his first title was won with not that much help, but his second title he had a lot more help, more than what Lebron had in Cleveland for 7 years.

[elmouse03]

Wheres the Mikan vote?

[elmouse03]

Wheres the Mikan vote?

[Y2K]

No disrespect to anyone these lists are all subjective. BUT I think some ppl need to go do some extra research on Hakeem Olajuwon's career Beyond just the Rings and mvps.

Like?

I know his first title was won with not that much help, but his second title he had a lot more help, more than what Lebron had in Cleveland for 7 years.

He had Clyde for the second one for sure. But Lebron had good enough teams the last 2 years in Cleveland to make it past the teams that he lost to. I'll never be convinced that he didn't have "enough" help those last 2 years. They just disappointed.

[Titan18]

TDK & Bulls fans worst nightmare coming true - LeBron has entered Top 10 all-time territory.

How is this my worst nightmare?

And my vote is for lebron