2014 Anger General Greatest of All Time: #7 selection

[elmouse03]

To me, there isn't even a case to be made for Duncan > Kobe.

This thread is a classic example of Kobe-haters and their anti-Kobe agenda and butthurt.

Says the guy with Kobe in his SN. That's not bias at all.

[876Stephen]

To me, there isn't even a case to be made for Duncan > Kobe.

This thread is a classic example of Kobe-haters and their anti-Kobe agenda and butthurt.

Your not biased at all.

[kobeunderbite]

I've been one of the most objective posters regarding Kobe in this community for years.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I've been one of the most objective posters regarding Kobe in this community for years.

No doubt. Same goes with your takes on Eli, Rafa and Tiger.

[876Stephen]

I've been one of the most objective posters regarding Kobe in this community for years.

Do you know what objective means?

[wailuaFC]

I've had Duncan and Kobe tied for a few years now and said that whoever won another ring would be elevated past the other, but even after this last ship, I have a hard time putting Duncan ahead. To be honest, Duncan was just another player on the court (some disservice I know, but hyperbole to make my point), the catalysts of the finals and playoffs were Parker, diaw, Leonard, mills, etc. This past ring speaks greater volumes to pops greatness rather then Duncan's in my opinion. As a completely biased laker fan, my vote goes to Kobe due to his longer high level of excellence and better head to head record while having the same amount of rings over Duncan's more consistent regular season success

[876Stephen]

I've had Duncan and Kobe tied for a few years now and said that whoever won another ring would be elevated past the other, but even after this last ship, I have a hard time putting Duncan ahead. To be honest, Duncan was just another player on the court (some disservice I know, but hyperbole to make my point), the catalysts of the finals and playoffs were Parker, diaw, Leonard, mills, etc. This past ring speaks greater volumes to pops greatness rather then Duncan's in my opinion. As a completely biased laker fan, my vote goes to Kobe due to his longer high level of excellence and better head to head record while having the same amount of rings over Duncan's more consistent regular season success

Bravo for admitting your bias. I will say Duncan was extremely valuable to the Spurs still. He was the best defender for the spurs even at 38 years old. In the finals he may not have been the most valuable but throughout the course of the playoffs Duncan was still the mvp. His postseason stats were actually the best on the team and he played great defense as usual.

[wailuaFC]

I've had Duncan and Kobe tied for a few years now and said that whoever won another ring would be elevated past the other, but even after this last ship, I have a hard time putting Duncan ahead. To be honest, Duncan was just another player on the court (some disservice I know, but hyperbole to make my point), the catalysts of the finals and playoffs were Parker, diaw, Leonard, mills, etc. This past ring speaks greater volumes to pops greatness rather then Duncan's in my opinion. As a completely biased laker fan, my vote goes to Kobe due to his longer high level of excellence and better head to head record while having the same amount of rings over Duncan's more consistent regular season success

Bravo for admitting your bias. I will say Duncan was extremely valuable to the Spurs still. He was the best defender for the spurs even at 38 years old. In the finals he may not have been the most valuable but throughout the course of the playoffs Duncan was still the mvp. His postseason stats were actually the best on the team and he played great defense as usual.

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe is still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

[Y2K]

And Kobe is yours.

I'm pretty damn certain I'm more objective on this than you are and I'm virtually certain a very large majority of hoops fan who have no dog in the fight would choose Duncan.

This site and thread no room for level headed posters Grizz.

LNS is a pretty good guy. He just likes rattling peoples' chains.

My original post was really directed at Y2ktors. He always claims to be objective about Duncan and Pops but he carries big biases. It's always "I really like Duncan and all BUT" and then he proceeds to be completely biased. It's kind of funny.

No, I don't claim to like Duncan. I just don't get caught up in some of the things that his fans get caught up in.

Some of it is for S&Gs but on serious notes, I do give him his props.

Thing about Shaq, Duncan And Kobe is that they all have things working in their favor over the other two. In the end, it's all in what u value more and most. But it's not irrational to say that any one of these guys doesn't have a single thing working against them.

[elmouse03]

I've had Duncan and Kobe tied for a few years now and said that whoever won another ring would be elevated past the other, but even after this last ship, I have a hard time putting Duncan ahead. To be honest, Duncan was just another player on the court (some disservice I know, but hyperbole to make my point), the catalysts of the finals and playoffs were Parker, diaw, Leonard, mills, etc. This past ring speaks greater volumes to pops greatness rather then Duncan's in my opinion. As a completely biased laker fan, my vote goes to Kobe due to his longer high level of excellence and better head to head record while having the same amount of rings over Duncan's more consistent regular season success

Bravo for admitting your bias. I will say Duncan was extremely valuable to the Spurs still. He was the best defender for the spurs even at 38 years old. In the finals he may not have been the most valuable but throughout the course of the playoffs Duncan was still the mvp. His postseason stats were actually the best on the team and he played great defense as usual.

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe WAS still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

I fixed it for you as we have no idea how he will be after his injury.

[wailuaFC]

Bravo for admitting your bias. I will say Duncan was extremely valuable to the Spurs still. He was the best defender for the spurs even at 38 years old. In the finals he may not have been the most valuable but throughout the course of the playoffs Duncan was still the mvp. His postseason stats were actually the best on the team and he played great defense as usual.

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe WAS still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

I fixed it for you as we have no idea how he will be after his injury.

I can understand why some might say that, but if you watched Kobe in 2013, Kobe had one of his best seasons ever and he didn't rely on athleticism at all, he beat players because he has one of the most complete offensive repertoires of all time due to being able to take pieces of Jordan's, gervins, and Hakeem's game and add it to his own . Because of that I don't see the injury hampering his game at all, the only issue would be age, but we all know about his work ethic so I doubt we will see a huge decline. Be ready to see a lot of this next season

[elmouse03]

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe WAS still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

I fixed it for you as we have no idea how he will be after his injury.

I can understand why some might say that, but if you watched Kobe in 2013, Kobe had one of his best seasons ever and he didn't rely on athleticism at all, he beat players because he has one of the most complete offensive repertoires of all time due to being able to take pieces of Jordan's, gervins, and Hakeem's game and add it to his own . Because of that I don't see the injury hampering his game at all, the only issue would be age, but we all know about his work ethic so I doubt we will see a huge decline. Be ready to see a lot of this next season

Well like you said before. You are being somewhat bias. As a Bulls fan I have said many times that I will take Rose's rookie numbers as long as he can stay healthy why some others think he will come out of the gate on fire and win another MVP and the Bulls will be champions as easy as can be.

IDK if Rose or Kobe will be able to get back to what they were for at least this season but I am hoping that both stay healthy and productive for their teams.

[876Stephen]

I've had Duncan and Kobe tied for a few years now and said that whoever won another ring would be elevated past the other, but even after this last ship, I have a hard time putting Duncan ahead. To be honest, Duncan was just another player on the court (some disservice I know, but hyperbole to make my point), the catalysts of the finals and playoffs were Parker, diaw, Leonard, mills, etc. This past ring speaks greater volumes to pops greatness rather then Duncan's in my opinion. As a completely biased laker fan, my vote goes to Kobe due to his longer high level of excellence and better head to head record while having the same amount of rings over Duncan's more consistent regular season success

Bravo for admitting your bias. I will say Duncan was extremely valuable to the Spurs still. He was the best defender for the spurs even at 38 years old. In the finals he may not have been the most valuable but throughout the course of the playoffs Duncan was still the mvp. His postseason stats were actually the best on the team and he played great defense as usual.

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe is still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

You make it so hard to disagree with you. i just think Duncan was the better overall player and his sustained greatness and willingness to adapt his game late in his career make him better. Also he has more regular season mvp's and fmvp's while having the same number of titles.

[elmouse03]

Bravo for admitting your bias. I will say Duncan was extremely valuable to the Spurs still. He was the best defender for the spurs even at 38 years old. In the finals he may not have been the most valuable but throughout the course of the playoffs Duncan was still the mvp. His postseason stats were actually the best on the team and he played great defense as usual.

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe is still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

You make it so hard to disagree with you. i just think Duncan was the better overall player and his sustained greatness and willingness to adapt his game late in his career make him better. Also he has more regular season mvp's and fmvp's while having the same number of titles.

Duncan has never missed the playoffs and his teams never won less then 50 games in a season. Only knock on him is not being able to win back to back titles in which Kobe has done as well as 3 peated.

[wailuaFC]

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe is still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

You make it so hard to disagree with you. i just think Duncan was the better overall player and his sustained greatness and willingness to adapt his game late in his career make him better. Also he has more regular season mvp's and fmvp's while having the same number of titles.

Duncan has never missed the playoffs and his teams never won less then 50 games in a season. Only knock on him is not being able to win back to back titles in which Kobe has done as well as 3 peated.

I appreciate that he never missed the playoffs, that really is awesome, but I did credit that being one of his advantages over Kobe (better regular season success) and that has to be partially attributed to pops greatness. When it comes down to it though, all those 50 win seasons mean about as much as Kobe's 81 point game, cool stats but if it didn't amount to anything who cares? Duncan has more Mvps and regular season success while Kobe boasts better longevity and a better h2h in the playoffs. There is no wrong pick here (unless someone picks shaq) but my laker fandom requires me to pick kobe

[Y2K]

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe is still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

You make it so hard to disagree with you. i just think Duncan was the better overall player and his sustained greatness and willingness to adapt his game late in his career make him better. Also he has more regular season mvp's and fmvp's while having the same number of titles.

Duncan has never missed the playoffs and his teams never won less then 50 games in a season. Only knock on him is not being able to win back to back titles in which Kobe has done as well as 3 peated.

Tim had a very short peak, but maintaining a very good, consistent level for so long can make up for a short peak.

[876Stephen]

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe is still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

You make it so hard to disagree with you. i just think Duncan was the better overall player and his sustained greatness and willingness to adapt his game late in his career make him better. Also he has more regular season mvp's and fmvp's while having the same number of titles.

Duncan has never missed the playoffs and his teams never won less then 50 games in a season. Only knock on him is not being able to win back to back titles in which Kobe has done as well as 3 peated.

POP is an all time great coach but to me the reason the Spurs have sustained success through all these years is Duncan.

[wailuaFC]

I fixed it for you as we have no idea how he will be after his injury.

I can understand why some might say that, but if you watched Kobe in 2013, Kobe had one of his best seasons ever and he didn't rely on athleticism at all, he beat players because he has one of the most complete offensive repertoires of all time due to being able to take pieces of Jordan's, gervins, and Hakeem's game and add it to his own . Because of that I don't see the injury hampering his game at all, the only issue would be age, but we all know about his work ethic so I doubt we will see a huge decline. Be ready to see a lot of this next season

Well like you said before. You are being somewhat bias. As a Bulls fan I have said many times that I will take Rose's rookie numbers as long as he can stay healthy why some others think he will come out of the gate on fire and win another MVP and the Bulls will be champions as easy as can be.

IDK if Rose or Kobe will be able to get back to what they were for at least this season but I am hoping that both stay healthy and productive for their teams.

Big difference between rose and Kobe, Kobe is one of the most skilled offensive players of all time who already adapted his game to not rely on athleticism while rose was all athleticism

[wailuaFC]

Bravo for admitting your bias. I will say Duncan was extremely valuable to the Spurs still. He was the best defender for the spurs even at 38 years old. In the finals he may not have been the most valuable but throughout the course of the playoffs Duncan was still the mvp. His postseason stats were actually the best on the team and he played great defense as usual.

He was extremely valuable to the team, that is undeniable, but I will say that every single player in the spurs rotation was as well. Every player knew their role and played it to the t, it was a symphony on the court. Personally, I'd argue Parker has been the most important player these past few years, but that's no slight to Duncan as both have played awesome. Despite playing in the league longer, Kobe is still playing at a incredibly high level (one of the longest peaks of any player ever), while Duncan has started to decline and has taken a back seat role (for the betterment of the team albeit). I have no issue with Duncan being ahead as I have them tied, but the case can be made for Kobe and due to my bias that's who I'm going to pick

You make it so hard to disagree with you. i just think Duncan was the better overall player and his sustained greatness and willingness to adapt his game late in his career make him better. Also he has more regular season mvp's and fmvp's while having the same number of titles.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that reasoning, I'm just trying to provide a decent argument so I don't seem to biased

[elmouse03]

You make it so hard to disagree with you. i just think Duncan was the better overall player and his sustained greatness and willingness to adapt his game late in his career make him better. Also he has more regular season mvp's and fmvp's while having the same number of titles.

Duncan has never missed the playoffs and his teams never won less then 50 games in a season. Only knock on him is not being able to win back to back titles in which Kobe has done as well as 3 peated.

I appreciate that he never missed the playoffs, that really is awesome, but I did credit that being one of his advantages over Kobe (better regular season success) and that has to be partially attributed to pops greatness. When it comes down to it though, all those 50 win seasons mean about as much as Kobe's 81 point game, cool stats but if it didn't amount to anything who cares? Duncan has more Mvps and regular season success while Kobe boasts better longevity and a better h2h in the playoffs. There is no wrong pick here (unless someone picks shaq) but my laker fandom requires me to pick kobe

You don't think Shaq has a case for this spot?