2014 Anger General Greatest of All Time: #4 selection

[wailuaFC]

That's right... last night when you admitted to mis-quoting dictator. Did you forget? So I'm playing your game, man.

Regardless, this is all secondary to the point for which you are trying to deflect: Your criteria is flawed and cherry-picked.

So you admit to being a hypocrite?

So you admit to deliberately mis-quoting posters?

I misquoted dictator, not so much on purpose, I just accidentally left out a singular word. You on the other hand are saying I said something that I never did. We can end this as it's rather irrelevant and is detracting from the actually topic at hand

[Y2K]

[thedangerouskitchen]

How many Mvps does Scottie have? Were there more dominant players around during his prime? What did Scottie's stats look like compared to his peers?

Scottie was widely regarded as the best SF in the game for a decade... and for a stretch of about 5 years he was arguably a Top 3 player in the game. Pip was a perennial All NBA/Defender, arguably one of the 10 greatest all-around players in NBA history, and arguably the greatest perimeter Defender in NBA history (and in the discussion for GOAT Defender, period.)

That, coupled with 6 Championships, and Scottie should easily be Top 10 using your criteria.

What years was he a top 3 player in the league? How many Mvps or fmvps does he have? How many first team nba does he have? How do his stats compare to those of his peers? Basically, you have another Hondo situation, yes he has rings and was a very good player, but his stats, accolades and dominance leave way too much to be desired to be in the top 10 all time.

Scottie was widely regarded as the best SF in the game for a decade... and for a stretch of about 5 years he was arguably a Top 3 player in the game (during the 92/93 through 96/97 time frame). Pip was a 17-time All NBA/All Defense member (11 first-team), arguably one of the 10 greatest all-around players in NBA history, and arguably the greatest perimeter Defender in NBA history (and in the discussion for GOAT Defender, period.)

How many players in history can boast a more impressive resume of peer dominance...^^^... AND own 6 Championships?

[thedangerouskitchen]

So you admit to being a hypocrite?

So you admit to deliberately mis-quoting posters?

I misquoted dictator, not so much on purpose, I just accidentally left out a singular word. You on the other hand are saying I said something that I never did. We can end this as it's rather irrelevant and is detracting from the actually topic at hand

Right... you did so accidentally. And I misquoted you on accident as well.

All good.

[Y2K]

Scottie was widely regarded as the best SF in the game for a decade... and for a stretch of about 5 years he was arguably a Top 3 player in the game. Pip was a perennial All NBA/Defender, arguably one of the 10 greatest all-around players in NBA history, and arguably the greatest perimeter Defender in NBA history (and in the discussion for GOAT Defender, period.)

That, coupled with 6 Championships, and Scottie should easily be Top 10 using your criteria.

What years was he a top 3 player in the league? How many Mvps or fmvps does he have? How many first team nba does he have? How do his stats compare to those of his peers? Basically, you have another Hondo situation, yes he has rings and was a very good player, but his stats, accolades and dominance leave way too much to be desired to be in the top 10 all time.

Scottie was widely regarded as the best SF in the game for a decade... and for a stretch of about 5 years he was arguably a Top 3 player in the game (during the 92/93 through 96/97 time frame). Pip was a 17-time All NBA/All Defense member (11 first-team), arguably one of the 10 greatest all-around players in NBA history, and arguably the greatest perimeter Defender in NBA history (and in the discussion for GOAT Defender, period.)

How many players in history can boast a more impressive resume ...^^^... AND own 6 Championships?

Barkley, Olajuwon, D-Rob and Malone won all other MVPs other than Jordan in from 1991-98. Explain this.

[Yuh]

Larry Bird for #5.

[wailuaFC]

Scottie was widely regarded as the best SF in the game for a decade... and for a stretch of about 5 years he was arguably a Top 3 player in the game. Pip was a perennial All NBA/Defender, arguably one of the 10 greatest all-around players in NBA history, and arguably the greatest perimeter Defender in NBA history (and in the discussion for GOAT Defender, period.)

That, coupled with 6 Championships, and Scottie should easily be Top 10 using your criteria.

What years was he a top 3 player in the league? How many Mvps or fmvps does he have? How many first team nba does he have? How do his stats compare to those of his peers? Basically, you have another Hondo situation, yes he has rings and was a very good player, but his stats, accolades and dominance leave way too much to be desired to be in the top 10 all time.

Scottie was widely regarded as the best SF in the game for a decade... and for a stretch of about 5 years he was arguably a Top 3 player in the game (during the 92/93 through 96/97 time frame). Pip was a 17-time All NBA/All Defense member (11 first-team), arguably one of the 10 greatest all-around players in NBA history, and arguably the greatest perimeter Defender in NBA history (and in the discussion for GOAT Defender, period.)

How many players in history can boast a more impressive resume of peer dominance...^^^... AND own 6 Championships?

Interesting, so you have him as being a better player then some of the following, jordan, Hakeem, barkley, drob, Malone, olajuwon, Stockton, Ewing, and more? Do his stats back up this high praise you have? He was an excellent defender without a doubt and well rounded, but his overall contributions were no where near some of the players I mentioned. Anyways this discussion has obviously run it's course. I look forward to seeing the rest of your top 10 list

[americaninfidel]

The voting for this round will end at 8 pm CST.


Damn good, competitive round this time around.

8:09, time to call it. Magic is #4.

[wailuaFC]

The voting for this round will end at 8 pm CST.


Damn good, competitive round this time around.

8:09, time to call it. Magic is #4.

The main reason I didn't want magic #4 is I feel it's a dis-justice to separate he and bird, but since I have wilt slightly higher then them I need to vote for him next round

[vcsgrizzfan]

For 5, Bird. If Wilt had won 4, it would have been Magic. Go Hick from French Lick.

[americaninfidel]

For 5, Bird. If Wilt had won 4, it would have been Magic. Go Hick from French Lick.

I have always had Bird at 5 myself, but considering Timmy added some hardware this year (and the fact that I'm a total Spurs homer), Duncan is my pick at #5 now. Although this isn't the official #5 thread yet.

[vcsgrizzfan]

For 5, Bird. If Wilt had won 4, it would have been Magic. Go Hick from French Lick.

I have always had Bird at 5 myself, but considering Timmy added some hardware this year (and the fact that I'm a total Spurs homer), Duncan is my pick at #5 now. Although this isn't the official #5 thread yet.

I will have Duncan for 6 if Bird wins this round. If Wilt wins, Duncan will have to wait one more round. Truth be told though, he's got a good claim on 5.

[Y2K]

Ok, I'm back. Got wrapped up in horsing around with the kiddo. Let me get the next thread going.

[thedangerouskitchen]

What years was he a top 3 player in the league? How many Mvps or fmvps does he have? How many first team nba does he have? How do his stats compare to those of his peers? Basically, you have another Hondo situation, yes he has rings and was a very good player, but his stats, accolades and dominance leave way too much to be desired to be in the top 10 all time.

Scottie was widely regarded as the best SF in the game for a decade... and for a stretch of about 5 years he was arguably a Top 3 player in the game (during the 92/93 through 96/97 time frame). Pip was a 17-time All NBA/All Defense member (11 first-team), arguably one of the 10 greatest all-around players in NBA history, and arguably the greatest perimeter Defender in NBA history (and in the discussion for GOAT Defender, period.)

How many players in history can boast a more impressive resume of peer dominance...^^^... AND own 6 Championships?

Interesting, so you have him as being a better player then some of the following, jordan, Hakeem, barkley, drob, Malone, olajuwon, Stockton, Ewing, and more? Do his stats back up this high praise you have? He was an excellent defender without a doubt and well rounded, but his overall contributions were no where near some of the players I mentioned. Anyways this discussion has obviously run it's course. I look forward to seeing the rest of your top 10 list

I'm using your criteria (of Winning and Peer dominance)... furthermore Pippen (like Russell) was an all-time great Defender, not "just" excellent. Scottie is regarded as the best Defender at his position (just like Russell), arguably the greatest perimeter Defender ever, and in the conversation of greatest Defender ever.

Yet he doesn't get nearly as much credit for his Defense as Russell. Why the double standard?

Pippen completely dominated one-half of the game on a level very few can claim... and he averaged 20/7/6 for nearly a decade.

That peer dominance + 6 Championships is surely ----> than any guy on the list of players you mentioned, except for Dream.

[Carpediem77]

Magic

[wailuaFC]

Scottie was widely regarded as the best SF in the game for a decade... and for a stretch of about 5 years he was arguably a Top 3 player in the game (during the 92/93 through 96/97 time frame). Pip was a 17-time All NBA/All Defense member (11 first-team), arguably one of the 10 greatest all-around players in NBA history, and arguably the greatest perimeter Defender in NBA history (and in the discussion for GOAT Defender, period.)

How many players in history can boast a more impressive resume of peer dominance...^^^... AND own 6 Championships?

Interesting, so you have him as being a better player then some of the following, jordan, Hakeem, barkley, drob, Malone, olajuwon, Stockton, Ewing, and more? Do his stats back up this high praise you have? He was an excellent defender without a doubt and well rounded, but his overall contributions were no where near some of the players I mentioned. Anyways this discussion has obviously run it's course. I look forward to seeing the rest of your top 10 list

I'm using your criteria (of Winning and Peer dominance)... furthermore Pippen (like Russell) was an all-time great Defender, not "just" excellent. Scottie is regarded as the best Defender at his position (just like Russell), arguably the greatest perimeter Defender ever, and in the conversation of greatest Defender ever.

Yet he doesn't get nearly as much credit for his Defense as Russell. Why the double standard?

Pippen completely dominated one-half of the game on a level very few can claim... and he averaged 20/7/6 for nearly a decade.

That peer dominance + 6 Championships is surely ----> than any guy on the list of players you mentioned, except for Dream.

I'll post one last time on this subject before ignoring your responses. Pippen did not dominate his peers like anyone in my top 10 list, his stats were inferior, and he does not boast the same accolades. I appreciate your effort of trying to equate pippen and Russell's defense but the fact of the matter is a perimeter defender can't have the same impact as a paint/interior defender, no matter how badly you wish us to believe they can. It's not all about defense with Russell, he never finished out of th top 4 for MVP voting other then his rookie/injured season (did pippen ever finish in the top 4?), he won 11 ships in 13 years as the leader of his team, won 2 ships I. College for a program that was terrible before and after he played there, and the immediate improvement of the cs when Russell got their and the immediate decline once he left speaks volumes. Anyways as I said before, I look forward to seeing the rest of your list

By the way that list was of players better then pippen during those years he was a supposed top 3 player