2014 Anger General Greatest of All Time: #4 selection

[americaninfidel]

What's the tally so far?

Magic 9, Wilt 9, Bird 1. You can see the tally in the original post.

[LNS]

What's the tally so far?

Magic 9, Wilt 9, Bird 1. You can see the tally in the original post.

Oh my bad. So we need a few more people to vote, then.

[Da Stars.]

What's the tally so far?

Magic 9, Wilt 9, Bird 1. You can see the tally in the original post.

Tally is wrong. I had yet to cast my vote. Magic now has the lead.

[wailuaFC]

Some interesting Wilt numbers:


1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)


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Unless proven otherwise I'll assume those numbers are correct... and I'm not hating on Wilt (I have him #6 all-time) but that's a long line of historic choke jobs, and a pretty steep decline overall from his dominance during the regular season.

That's why Wilt doesn't crack my Top 5 all-time.

While I completely agree with the premise of your post, highlighting his ft shooting isn't fair to wilt as he was historically bad during the regular season as well

[Shill Jackson]

Wilt was probably the best athlete of all of them.
Magic is ranked higher by his final rookie game alone. Never before, and never since, has rookie come through in the clutch so well.

[Da Stars.]

Wilt was probably the best athlete of all of them.
Magic is ranked higher by his final rookie game alone. Never before, and never since, has rookie come through in the clutch so well.

Yes he came up clutch. But it was not a must win game either. Lakers lose that game. They go back to play game 7 in LA.

[Shill Jackson]

Wilt was probably the best athlete of all of them.
Magic is ranked higher by his final rookie game alone. Never before, and never since, has rookie come through in the clutch so well.

Yes he came up clutch. But it was not a must win game either. Lakers lose that game. They go back to play game 7 in LA.

It was a must win for the Sixers, and they were a fierce team featuring a dominant Dr.
Lakers and Sixers played 3 times in 4 years.
Magic did it at age 20.
Unmatched.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Some interesting Wilt numbers:


1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)


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Unless proven otherwise I'll assume those numbers are correct... and I'm not hating on Wilt (I have him #6 all-time) but that's a long line of historic choke jobs, and a pretty steep decline overall from his dominance during the regular season.

That's why Wilt doesn't crack my Top 5 all-time.

While I completely agree with the premise of your post, highlighting his ft shooting isn't fair to wilt as he was historically bad during the regular season as well

I place much more value on the Playoffs / Finals (vs. the regular season) when considering all-time rankings, so if those numbers are legit then Wilt's historically bad FT shooting likely cost him at least 2-4 more Championships and undisputed GOAT status.

[wailuaFC]

Some interesting Wilt numbers:


1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)


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Unless proven otherwise I'll assume those numbers are correct... and I'm not hating on Wilt (I have him #6 all-time) but that's a long line of historic choke jobs, and a pretty steep decline overall from his dominance during the regular season.

That's why Wilt doesn't crack my Top 5 all-time.

While I completely agree with the premise of your post, highlighting his ft shooting isn't fair to wilt as he was historically bad during the regular season as well

I place much more value on the Playoffs / Finals (vs. the regular season) when considering all-time rankings, so if those numbers are legit then Wilt's historically bad FT shooting likely cost him at least 2-4 more Championships and undisputed GOAT status.

That's completely fair, but we were talking about choking in the playoffs. It's not really choking if he doesn't make fts as it was very far and few between that he actually made them. Like I said, I see and understand what you're saying, but the 40-50% ft shooting doesn't belong in the choking discussion, just my .02 cents

[Y2K]

While I completely agree with the premise of your post, highlighting his ft shooting isn't fair to wilt as he was historically bad during the regular season as well

I place much more value on the Playoffs / Finals (vs. the regular season) when considering all-time rankings, so if those numbers are legit then Wilt's historically bad FT shooting likely cost him at least 2-4 more Championships and undisputed GOAT status.

That's completely fair, but we were talking about choking in the playoffs. It's not really choking if he doesn't make fts as it was very far and few between that he actually made them. Like I said, I see and understand what you're saying, but the 40-50% ft shooting doesn't belong in the choking discussion, just my .02 cents

Indeed.

[Y2K]

I guess what I'm getting at is no one mentions:

Magic was:

-dreadful in 1981 vs the Rockets

-horrible from the field vs The Sixers in 1983

-let's skip 84


Bird:

-shot below average and got slapped around by the bucks in 83 via 4-0 sweep

-blown out in game 7 at home in 82, while shooting like crap that entire series

-88 vs the Pistons was another shitty performance

[Y2K]

It's not so much that he didn't win, more so the drop in production I believe

And it's usually unjust to look at it that way. I'll explain further. Battery is dying.

I'm not saying I completely agree with that train of thought as wilt could be the greatest player of all time in my opinion, but his legacy is lacking. I have him 4th but I can understand where people are coming from

I have him 3rd, but no argument with him at #4. His playoff resume is the only one that gets scrutinized so severely and quite honestly, it is unjust mostly.

Just look at what tdk did as an example.

[Y2K]

He had epic chokes and often played stupid. There is a reason Jerry West said he wished he had played with Russell.

68-70 are the only seasons that I have always been highly critical of. But other greats have had their follies And struggles. Only Wilt is blasted on such an extreme level for it though.

All of the petty bs and egotistical behavior of his aside, he unjustly gets a terrible rep for the on-court performance far too much.

2-11 from the line in a 1 point loss in game 4 of the 1969 finals. Cost Elgin Baylor a ring. Never mind 4-13 in game 7.

I get that he was a horrible FT shooter that got even worse in the playoffs.

But Baylor has his issues in the playoffs as well. He was absolutely dreadful in games 3-5; of the '69 Finals. He scored a total of 24 points in those 3 games, shooting 4-14 at the line, including 1-6 in a 2 point loss.

The lakers as a team missed 19 FTS in that game 7 of 1969.

[876Stephen]

And it's usually unjust to look at it that way. I'll explain further. Battery is dying.

I'm not saying I completely agree with that train of thought as wilt could be the greatest player of all time in my opinion, but his legacy is lacking. I have him 4th but I can understand where people are coming from

I have him 3rd, but no argument with him at #4. His playoff resume is the only one that gets scrutinized so severely and quite honestly, it is unjust mostly.

Just look at what tdk did as an example.

He's had more playoff failures and almost none of the success of a Bird or a Magic or Jordan or Russell or Duncan for that matter. That's why he's scrutinized so heavily. And you can't just throw away Wilt's awful free shooting. As TDK pointed out, not only did it cost his team wins but it cost them championships. Also as TDK pointed out, a lot of Wilt's failures came when he was a favorite or had a series lead and played shitty the final couple games.

[Y2K]

I'm not saying I completely agree with that train of thought as wilt could be the greatest player of all time in my opinion, but his legacy is lacking. I have him 4th but I can understand where people are coming from

I have him 3rd, but no argument with him at #4. His playoff resume is the only one that gets scrutinized so severely and quite honestly, it is unjust mostly.

Just look at what tdk did as an example.

He's had more playoff failures and almost none of the success of a Bird or a Magic or Jordan or Russell or Duncan for that matter. That's why he's scrutinized so heavily. And you can't just throw away Wilt's awful free shooting. As TDK pointed out, not only did it cost his team wins but it cost them championships. Also as TDK pointed out, a lot of Wilt's failures came when he was a favorite or had a series lead and played shitty the final couple games.

Wilt's teams were favored from 67-70 and '72. They won in 67 and 72.

Now let's get down to the real truth:

1968:
In game 7, Greer, Wali Jones, Chet Walker, Luke Jackson and Matt Guokas shot a combined 25/74. 34% isn't gonna get it done, all whilst Wilt Only getting 23 touches all game long. It was a shitty gamelan by Alex Hannum, but he'd already determined that he was done with Philly. Wilt didn't shoot 1 time in the second half, but if you're the star u have to demand the ball.

1969

Game 4:

With a 1 point lead and the ball, Elgin Baylor turned the ball over. He was 1-6 from the line and only scored FIVE points.

Game 7:

The Lakers were 28-47 from the line as a team. Take Wilt's 4-13 out and leaves 24-34 for the rest of the team.

Baylor scored a total of 24 points, going 4-14 from the line from games 3-5.

Each player that you named had many playoff blunders and their teams lost as favorites on multiple occassions.

Somehow, everything that goes wrong is completely blamed on Wilt Chamberlain. I just don't understand it.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I have him 3rd, but no argument with him at #4. His playoff resume is the only one that gets scrutinized so severely and quite honestly, it is unjust mostly.

Just look at what tdk did as an example.

He's had more playoff failures and almost none of the success of a Bird or a Magic or Jordan or Russell or Duncan for that matter. That's why he's scrutinized so heavily. And you can't just throw away Wilt's awful free shooting. As TDK pointed out, not only did it cost his team wins but it cost them championships. Also as TDK pointed out, a lot of Wilt's failures came when he was a favorite or had a series lead and played shitty the final couple games.

Wilt's teams were favored from 67-70 and '72. They won in 67 and 72.

Now let's get down to the real truth:

1968:
In game 7, Greer, Wali Jones, Chet Walker, Luke Jackson and Matt Guokas shot a combined 25/74. 34% isn't gonna get it done, all whilst Wilt Only getting 23 touches all game long. It was a shitty gamelan by Alex Hannum, but he'd already determined that he was done with Philly. Wilt didn't shoot 1 time in the second half, but if you're the star u have to demand the ball.

1969

Game 4:

With a 1 point lead and the ball, Elgin Baylor turned the ball over. He was 1-6 from the line and only scored FIVE points.

Game 7:

The Lakers were 28-47 from the line as a team. Take Wilt's 4-13 out and leaves 24-34 for the rest of the team.

Baylor scored a total of 24 points, going 4-14 from the line from games 3-5.

Each player that you banned had many playoff blunders and their teams lost as favorites on multiple occassions.

Somehow, everything that goes wrong is completely blamed on Wilt Chamberlain. I just don't understand it.

For the most part, justifiably so. 2-11 in a one point loss in game 5 is the entire series right there. Look at this board. LeBron gets killed for this last finals despite being by far and away the best Heat player in the finals. Wilt truly sucked the big one in many playoff performances and in fact only won titles when he played more like Russell and less like Wilt. It is what it is.

[876Stephen]

I have him 3rd, but no argument with him at #4. His playoff resume is the only one that gets scrutinized so severely and quite honestly, it is unjust mostly.

Just look at what tdk did as an example.

He's had more playoff failures and almost none of the success of a Bird or a Magic or Jordan or Russell or Duncan for that matter. That's why he's scrutinized so heavily. And you can't just throw away Wilt's awful free shooting. As TDK pointed out, not only did it cost his team wins but it cost them championships. Also as TDK pointed out, a lot of Wilt's failures came when he was a favorite or had a series lead and played shitty the final couple games.

Wilt's teams were favored from 67-70 and '72. They won in 67 and 72.

Now let's get down to the real truth:

1968:
In game 7, Greer, Wali Jones, Chet Walker, Luke Jackson and Matt Guokas shot a combined 25/74. 34% isn't gonna get it done, all whilst Wilt Only getting 23 touches all game long. It was a shitty gamelan by Alex Hannum, but he'd already determined that he was done with Philly. Wilt didn't shoot 1 time in the second half, but if you're the star u have to demand the ball.

1969

Game 4:

With a 1 point lead and the ball, Elgin Baylor turned the ball over. He was 1-6 from the line and only scored FIVE points.

Game 7:

The Lakers were 28-47 from the line as a team. Take Wilt's 4-13 out and leaves 24-34 for the rest of the team.

Baylor scored a total of 24 points, going 4-14 from the line from games 3-5.

Each player that you banned had many playoff blunders and their teams lost as favorites on multiple occassions.

Somehow, everything that goes wrong is completely blamed on Wilt Chamberlain. I just don't understand it.

And he was also a favorite in 1961 when he got swept by a below .500 Nationals team. He was also the favorite in 1969 as the Celtics only had 48 wins all year while the Lakers had 55. In that pivotal game 4 in the 1969 finals, Baylor was bad but wilt was just as bad. 2-11 from the line and only 8 points and again got outplayed by his teammate Jerry West, who had 40. It's ironic because he's the guy that Wilt blames the most for his failures.

In game 7 of that same series in 1969 the rest of the team did shoot 24-34 which is 70%. West had 42 and Baylor had 18 and both shot very well from the line. wilt shot 30% that game at the line 4-13 and had only 18 points.

And you can make a list of everyone else's playoff failures but the list will not be nearly as long as wilt's. And you may call me a hater but i still have him 7th all time, so i'm not hating him that much.

[Y2K]

He's had more playoff failures and almost none of the success of a Bird or a Magic or Jordan or Russell or Duncan for that matter. That's why he's scrutinized so heavily. And you can't just throw away Wilt's awful free shooting. As TDK pointed out, not only did it cost his team wins but it cost them championships. Also as TDK pointed out, a lot of Wilt's failures came when he was a favorite or had a series lead and played shitty the final couple games.

Wilt's teams were favored from 67-70 and '72. They won in 67 and 72.

Now let's get down to the real truth:

1968:
In game 7, Greer, Wali Jones, Chet Walker, Luke Jackson and Matt Guokas shot a combined 25/74. 34% isn't gonna get it done, all whilst Wilt Only getting 23 touches all game long. It was a shitty gamelan by Alex Hannum, but he'd already determined that he was done with Philly. Wilt didn't shoot 1 time in the second half, but if you're the star u have to demand the ball.

1969

Game 4:

With a 1 point lead and the ball, Elgin Baylor turned the ball over. He was 1-6 from the line and only scored FIVE points.

Game 7:

The Lakers were 28-47 from the line as a team. Take Wilt's 4-13 out and leaves 24-34 for the rest of the team.

Baylor scored a total of 24 points, going 4-14 from the line from games 3-5.

Each player that you banned had many playoff blunders and their teams lost as favorites on multiple occassions.

Somehow, everything that goes wrong is completely blamed on Wilt Chamberlain. I just don't understand it.

For the most part, justifiably so. 2-11 in a one point loss in game 5 is the entire series right there. Look at this board. LeBron gets killed for this last finals despite being by far and away the best Heat player in the finals. Wilt truly sucked the big one in many playoff performances and in fact only won titles when he played more like Russell and less like Wilt. It is what it is.

Yeah Lebron does get overly scrutinized too.

It's just unreasonable to blame a player for everything that happens in a loss without pointing out the blunders of the the teammates.

I know that I be doing it with duncan but that was just for shits and giggles. I don't really blame him solely for each loss in which he was less than stellar.

[Y2K]

He's had more playoff failures and almost none of the success of a Bird or a Magic or Jordan or Russell or Duncan for that matter. That's why he's scrutinized so heavily. And you can't just throw away Wilt's awful free shooting. As TDK pointed out, not only did it cost his team wins but it cost them championships. Also as TDK pointed out, a lot of Wilt's failures came when he was a favorite or had a series lead and played shitty the final couple games.

Wilt's teams were favored from 67-70 and '72. They won in 67 and 72.

Now let's get down to the real truth:

1968:
In game 7, Greer, Wali Jones, Chet Walker, Luke Jackson and Matt Guokas shot a combined 25/74. 34% isn't gonna get it done, all whilst Wilt Only getting 23 touches all game long. It was a shitty gamelan by Alex Hannum, but he'd already determined that he was done with Philly. Wilt didn't shoot 1 time in the second half, but if you're the star u have to demand the ball.

1969

Game 4:

With a 1 point lead and the ball, Elgin Baylor turned the ball over. He was 1-6 from the line and only scored FIVE points.

Game 7:

The Lakers were 28-47 from the line as a team. Take Wilt's 4-13 out and leaves 24-34 for the rest of the team.

Baylor scored a total of 24 points, going 4-14 from the line from games 3-5.

Each player that you banned had many playoff blunders and their teams lost as favorites on multiple occassions.

Somehow, everything that goes wrong is completely blamed on Wilt Chamberlain. I just don't understand it.

And he was also a favorite in 1961 when he got swept by a below .500 Nationals team. He was also the favorite in 1969 as the Celtics only had 48 wins all year while the Lakers had 55. In that pivotal game 4 in the 1969 finals, Baylor was bad but wilt was just as bad. 2-11 from the line and only 8 points and again got outplayed by his teammate Jerry West, who had 40. It's ironic because he's the guy that Wilt blames the most for his failures.

In game 7 of that same series in 1969 the rest of the team did shoot 24-34 which is 70%. West had 42 and Baylor had 18 and both shot very well from the line. wilt shot 30% that game at the line 4-13 and had only 18 points.

And you can make a list of everyone else's playoff failures but the list will not be nearly as long as wilt's. And you may call me a hater but i still have him 7th all time, so i'm not hating him that much.

The list of playoff failures for Wilt isn't as long as u think it is. Quite frankly, his failures are right in line with Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq. I'm no fan of Wilt and really admire Jerry West. But in fairness, I don't believe everything negative of Wilt was the sole reason for why they lost, especially when he was 7/8 from the field being being benched for the final 2 minutes even though he was ready to check back in from injury.

[876Stephen]

Wilt's teams were favored from 67-70 and '72. They won in 67 and 72.

Now let's get down to the real truth:

1968:
In game 7, Greer, Wali Jones, Chet Walker, Luke Jackson and Matt Guokas shot a combined 25/74. 34% isn't gonna get it done, all whilst Wilt Only getting 23 touches all game long. It was a shitty gamelan by Alex Hannum, but he'd already determined that he was done with Philly. Wilt didn't shoot 1 time in the second half, but if you're the star u have to demand the ball.

1969

Game 4:

With a 1 point lead and the ball, Elgin Baylor turned the ball over. He was 1-6 from the line and only scored FIVE points.

Game 7:

The Lakers were 28-47 from the line as a team. Take Wilt's 4-13 out and leaves 24-34 for the rest of the team.

Baylor scored a total of 24 points, going 4-14 from the line from games 3-5.

Each player that you banned had many playoff blunders and their teams lost as favorites on multiple occassions.

Somehow, everything that goes wrong is completely blamed on Wilt Chamberlain. I just don't understand it.

And he was also a favorite in 1961 when he got swept by a below .500 Nationals team. He was also the favorite in 1969 as the Celtics only had 48 wins all year while the Lakers had 55. In that pivotal game 4 in the 1969 finals, Baylor was bad but wilt was just as bad. 2-11 from the line and only 8 points and again got outplayed by his teammate Jerry West, who had 40. It's ironic because he's the guy that Wilt blames the most for his failures.

In game 7 of that same series in 1969 the rest of the team did shoot 24-34 which is 70%. West had 42 and Baylor had 18 and both shot very well from the line. wilt shot 30% that game at the line 4-13 and had only 18 points.

And you can make a list of everyone else's playoff failures but the list will not be nearly as long as wilt's. And you may call me a hater but i still have him 7th all time, so i'm not hating him that much.

The list of playoff failures for Wilt isn't as long as u think it is. Quite frankly, his failures are right in line with Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq. I'm no fan of Wilt and really admire Jerry West. But in fairness, I don't believe everything negative of Wilt was the sole reason for why they lost, especially when he was 7/8 from the field being being benched for the final 2 minutes even though he was ready to check back in from injury.

I disagree. Wilt's failures surpass those of all those guys in my humble opinion. And all of those guys have double the amount of playoff success as well so to me it's not comparable.