2014 Anger General Greatest of All Time: #4 selection

[wailuaFC]

I wonder if the same people voting Magic over Wilt will also vote Bird over Wilt. In theory, they should. I'm betting not.

I would.

I'm not arguing at all, but does that mean you think team success weighs greater then individual dominance? That's the only way I can see magic/bird over wilt, and if that carries over do you have Russell over Jordan? If not what is your reasoning for magic/bird over wilt other then team success?

(I'm not trying to single you out, I'd love to hear from grizz as well)

[Yuh]

I wonder if the same people voting Magic over Wilt will also vote Bird over Wilt. In theory, they should. I'm betting not.

I would.

I'm not arguing at all, but does that mean you think team success weighs greater then individual dominance? That's the only way I can see magic/bird over wilt, and if that carries over do you have Russell over Jordan? If not what is your reasoning for magic/bird over wilt other then team success?

(I'm not trying to single you out, I'd love to hear from grizz as well)

His performances on the big stage left a lot to be desired, whereas Magic and Bird excelled in those moments. Wilt is the posterboy/man for choking. His regular season to playoff drop off is remarkable throughout his career. It is also well documented that he was a liar and a terrible teammate who would deflect blame onto others for his own failures. Team success didn't come his way as often because he wasn't as great as those other players when it mattered most.

[wailuaFC]

I would.

I'm not arguing at all, but does that mean you think team success weighs greater then individual dominance? That's the only way I can see magic/bird over wilt, and if that carries over do you have Russell over Jordan? If not what is your reasoning for magic/bird over wilt other then team success?

(I'm not trying to single you out, I'd love to hear from grizz as well)

His performances on the big stage left a lot to be desired, whereas Magic and Bird excelled in those moments. Wilt is the posterboy/man for choking. His regular season to playoff drop off is remarkable throughout his career. It is also well documented that he was a liar and a terrible teammate who would deflect blame onto others for his own failures. Team success didn't come his way as often because he wasn't as great as those other players when it mattered most.

I feel you, he definitely wasn't the clutch player magic or bird were. Good reasoning

[Y2K]

I never understood why only Wilt Gets heavily scrutinized for not having won as much, even though his teams usually weren't better than teams that he lost to.

[wailuaFC]

I never understood why only Wilt Gets heavily scrutinized for not having won as much, even though his teams usually weren't better than teams that he lost to.

It's not so much that he didn't win, more so the drop in production I believe

[vcsgrizzfan]

I never understood why only Wilt Gets heavily scrutinized for not having won as much, even though his teams usually weren't better than teams that he lost to.

He had epic chokes and often played stupid. There is a reason Jerry West said he wished he had played with Russell.

[Da Stars.]

I never understood why only Wilt Gets heavily scrutinized for not having won as much, even though his teams usually weren't better than teams that he lost to.

He had epic chokes and often played stupid. There is a reason Jerry West said he wished he had played with Russell.

Link? Had to. Don't bother.

[Y2K]

I never understood why only Wilt Gets heavily scrutinized for not having won as much, even though his teams usually weren't better than teams that he lost to.

He had epic chokes and often played stupid. There is a reason Jerry West said he wished he had played with Russell.

68-70 are the only seasons that I have always been highly critical of. But other greats have had their follies And struggles. Only Wilt is blasted on such an extreme level for it though.

All of the petty bs and egotistical behavior of his aside, he unjustly gets a terrible rep for the on-court performance far too much.

[Y2K]

I never understood why only Wilt Gets heavily scrutinized for not having won as much, even though his teams usually weren't better than teams that he lost to.

It's not so much that he didn't win, more so the drop in production I believe

And it's usually unjust to look at it that way. I'll explain further. Battery is dying.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I never understood why only Wilt Gets heavily scrutinized for not having won as much, even though his teams usually weren't better than teams that he lost to.

He had epic chokes and often played stupid. There is a reason Jerry West said he wished he had played with Russell.

68-70 are the only seasons that I have always been highly critical of. But other greats have had their follies And struggles. Only Wilt is blasted on such an extreme level for it though.

All of the petty bs and egotistical behavior of his aside, he unjustly gets a terrible rep for the on-court performance far too much.

2-11 from the line in a 1 point loss in game 4 of the 1969 finals. Cost Elgin Baylor a ring. Never mind 4-13 in game 7.

[wailuaFC]

I never understood why only Wilt Gets heavily scrutinized for not having won as much, even though his teams usually weren't better than teams that he lost to.

It's not so much that he didn't win, more so the drop in production I believe

And it's usually unjust to look at it that way. I'll explain further. Battery is dying.

I'm not saying I completely agree with that train of thought as wilt could be the greatest player of all time in my opinion, but his legacy is lacking. I have him 4th but I can understand where people are coming from

[Da Stars.]

I vote for the player who wore green and white in college. Magic Johnson.

[vcsgrizzfan]

It's not so much that he didn't win, more so the drop in production I believe

And it's usually unjust to look at it that way. I'll explain further. Battery is dying.

I'm not saying I completely agree with that train of thought as wilt could be the greatest player of all time in my opinion, but his legacy is lacking. I have him 4th but I can understand where people are coming from

If he had Russell's attitude and basketball IQ, there is absolutely no question he would have been GOAT. That and fifty cents used to buy you a cup of coffee.

[876Stephen]

I wonder if the same people voting Magic over Wilt will also vote Bird over Wilt. In theory, they should. I'm betting not.

I am. I have Bird at 5 and Wilt at 7 on my list.

[americaninfidel]

I wonder if the same people voting Magic over Wilt will also vote Bird over Wilt. In theory, they should. I'm betting not.

I am. I have Bird at 5 and Wilt at 7 on my list.

Likewise. Bird has typically been my #5, behind Jordan/Magic/KAJ/Russell, and I've got Wilt slumming toward the bottom of the top 10.

[Shill Jackson]

1. KAJ
2. Magic
3. Russell
4. Jordan

[thedangerouskitchen]

Some interesting Wilt numbers:


1961 Division Semifinals
Wilt's Warriors had HCA and were facing the 38-41 Nationals. The result? The sub .500 Nationals swept Wilt's team 3-0. In an elimination Game 3 Wilt shot 7-14 from the freethrow line in a 3-point loss.

Wilt FT shooting for the series: 21-38 (55.3%)

1962 Division Finals
Coming off his 50.4 ppg season, his PPG in the Playoffs dropped down by 15 points. In Game 7, Wilt was the 4th leading scorer with 22 points in a loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1964 NBA Finals
His team lost the series in 5 games. Wilt shot 4-12 from the freethrow line in a Game 1 loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 22-48 (45.8%)

1965 Division Finals
Wilt shot 7-21 from the field in a Game 3 loss. The Sixers lost by 1 point in Game 7, Wilt missed 7 freethrows (6-13) in that game. Wilt was once again outscored by Sam Jones in a Game 7.

1966 Division Finals
His Sixers lost to Boston in 5 games. In the elimination Game 5, Wilt missed 17 freethrows (8-25) in a 8 point loss.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 28-68 (41.2%)

1968 Division Finals
Another HCA series loss for Wilt. Wilt shot 6-21 from the field and missed 15 freethrows in a Game 6 loss. In Game 7, Wilt made 4 field goals and missed 9 freethrows in a 4 point loss. Wilt was the 9th leading scorer and the 5th leading scorer on his own team in that game 7 with 14 points

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 39-91 (42.9%)
Wilt FT shooting in Game 7: 6-15 (40.0%)

1969 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA and were up 2-0 in the series and also 3-2 after Game 5. Lakers managed to lose the next 2 games including a 2 point loss in Game 7 in which Wilt missed 9 freethrows (4-13) while Jerry West put up 42-13-12 and won Finals MVP. Wilt shot 1-5 from the filed and missed 8 freethrows in a Game 6 loss and 1-5 from the field in Game 2. In a pivotal Game 4 Wilt shot 2-11 from the line in a 1-point loss, a win would have gave the Lakers a 3-1 series lead. Boston Celtic Sam Jones outscored Wilt Chamberlain again in Game 7, doing so in all 4 Game 7s.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 24-66 (36.4%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 4-13 (30.8%)

1970 NBA Finals
Another Game 7 loss for the Lakers. Wilt shot 1-10 from the freethrow in a Game 1 loss. In Game 7 Wilt shot 11 freethrow attempts, only making 1.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 23-67 (34.3%)
Wilt's FT shooting in Game 7: 1-11 (9.1%)

1973 NBA Finals
Lakers had HCA but lost the series in 5 games. Lakers lost by 4 points in Game 2 in which Wilt shot 1-9 from the freethrow line. Wilt put up 5 points in Game 3 which the Lakers lost by 4 points again. In Game 5 Wilt shot 5-14 from the freethrow line. This capped off Wilt's 5th series loss with HCA to end his career.

Wilt's FT shooting for the series: 14-38 (36.8%)


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Unless proven otherwise I'll assume those numbers are correct... and I'm not hating on Wilt (I have him #6 all-time) but that's a long line of historic choke jobs, and a pretty steep decline overall from his dominance during the regular season.

That's why Wilt doesn't crack my Top 5 all-time.

[Titan18]

1. KAJ
2. Magic
3. Russell
4. Jordan

Board has spoken. You're wrong

Just vote for magic so he doesn't dip further down in the official AG rankings

[americaninfidel]

1. KAJ
2. Magic
3. Russell
4. Jordan

Board has spoken. You're wrong

Just vote for magic so he doesn't dip further down in the official AG rankings

Titan speaking truth here. Vote for Magic, Shill. I have him at #2 as well, but we can't let him drop further than #4.

[LNS]

What's the tally so far?