JUst killed a dog.

[wailuaFC]

Where do you live? In the States, it is hard to find someone who still uses them for that...

Hawaii, they started off as hunting dogs but most people cross breed them with another dog because pits shoulders are often too big to get through too thick of forests

I could see that. When I was training dogs, I used to love Staffys for their desire to please. They are like Goldens that way. I could see them hunting.

Staffordshires are freaking adorable, what were you training dogs for?

[LookAway]

..they were originally used to hunt larger game and eventually used in blood sports, both reasons being the size/strength...what you said is true also, as they did serve a viable purpose...my thing is that these breeds most definitely have a higher propensity to turn and studies have shown this...now, that's not to say they shouldn't be owned, just that whoever decides to take on this breed best take the time to work with them, and as I said before, they should be screened...because we both know there are wayyyy too many irresponsible/lazy dog owners...

Can I have a link to those studies, I call bs

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A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.
The authors wrote:
"...the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators."

What is a "pitbull type". I can't find that breed anywhere. Where are the cocker spaniels on these flawed list. Cocker Spaniels are known for their rage syndrome where they bite their owners. Doesn't usually end fatally so it wont make the list. There are a lot of breeds that fall into that category. When you clump a large group of dogs together "pitbull type", you get flawed data.

Pit Bull” is NOT a breed. It is a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics often known by the public as Pit Bulls. This article is addressed to owners of any “Pit Bull” type dog including American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers and Pit mixes.

Pit Bull Facts : Villalobos Rescue Center
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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... _Bull.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[LookAway]

Hawaii, they started off as hunting dogs but most people cross breed them with another dog because pits shoulders are often too big to get through too thick of forests

I could see that. When I was training dogs, I used to love Staffys for their desire to please. They are like Goldens that way. I could see them hunting.

Staffordshires are freaking adorable, what were you training dogs for?

Police work. Mainly Sheppard's and Belgian Mallys, but of course I trained my Pit mix for personal protection and my Shar pei to do agility. My shar pei has passed and the yellow dog in my profile is 13 and retired from everything

[wailuaFC]

I could see that. When I was training dogs, I used to love Staffys for their desire to please. They are like Goldens that way. I could see them hunting.

Staffordshires are freaking adorable, what were you training dogs for?

Police work. Mainly Sheppard's and Belgian Mallys, but of course I trained my Pit mix for personal protection and my Shar pei to do agility. My shar pei has passed and the yellow dog in my profile is 13 and retired from everything

Oh very cool, great looking dogs in your profile

[vcsgrizzfan]

The problem with that study is its only documenting bites that resulted in hospitalization. Smaller dogs, dachshunds, chihuahuas, chow chows, all have a much higher attack rate, but they dont have the power that pits have, therefore it didnt lead to hospitalization

To be fair, that's pretty much irrelevant.

It's like showing a stat about the disproportionate number of murder victims by gunshot and then pointing out that it's not fair that the study doesn't include people who are slapped in the face.

I disagree, we are discussing aggression not the results of the aggression. Do pit bulls attacks result on more hospitalizations then dachshunds? Obviously, they are like 10 times the size, but does that make them the more aggressive breed? Nope

Come on WailuaFC - think a little. Abe is exactly right. Aggression only really matters if there are real consequences attached to it. It's as obvious as the nose on your face.

[wailuaFC]

To be fair, that's pretty much irrelevant.

It's like showing a stat about the disproportionate number of murder victims by gunshot and then pointing out that it's not fair that the study doesn't include people who are slapped in the face.

I disagree, we are discussing aggression not the results of the aggression. Do pit bulls attacks result on more hospitalizations then dachshunds? Obviously, they are like 10 times the size, but does that make them the more aggressive breed? Nope

Come on WailuaFC - think a little. Abe is exactly right. Aggression only really matters if there are real consequences attached to it. It's as obvious as the nose on your face.

I surely have bias in this argument, I can admit that, nonetheless this discussion was about pitbulls aggression compared to other breeds, not the results of their aggression.

[vcsgrizzfan]

I disagree, we are discussing aggression not the results of the aggression. Do pit bulls attacks result on more hospitalizations then dachshunds? Obviously, they are like 10 times the size, but does that make them the more aggressive breed? Nope

Come on WailuaFC - think a little. Abe is exactly right. Aggression only really matters if there are real consequences attached to it. It's as obvious as the nose on your face.

I surely have bias in this argument, I can admit that, nonetheless this discussion was about pitbulls aggression compared to other breeds, not the results of their aggression.

The results are the only thing that matters. The rest is irrelevant.

[wailuaFC]

Come on WailuaFC - think a little. Abe is exactly right. Aggression only really matters if there are real consequences attached to it. It's as obvious as the nose on your face.

I surely have bias in this argument, I can admit that, nonetheless this discussion was about pitbulls aggression compared to other breeds, not the results of their aggression.

The results are the only thing that matters. The rest is irrelevant.

Disagree, see Zimmerman (results) and Tayvon (aggressor).

[vcsgrizzfan]

I surely have bias in this argument, I can admit that, nonetheless this discussion was about pitbulls aggression compared to other breeds, not the results of their aggression.

The results are the only thing that matters. The rest is irrelevant.

Disagree, see Zimmerman (results) and Tayvon (aggressor).

If I didn't know your posting history, I'd swear you are trolling. Your position is - well - retarded.

[Kingcarl24]

This is like saying infants are more aggressive than inmates because people are hit by infants way more than they are by inmates.

[wailuaFC]

The results are the only thing that matters. The rest is irrelevant.

Disagree, see Zimmerman (results) and Tayvon (aggressor).

If I didn't know your posting history, I'd swear you are trolling. Your position is - well - retarded.

Like I said I have an admitted bias, I love pit bulls. My stance hasnt changed throughout this entire discussion, pitbulls are not even close to being the most aggressive dog breed. If people want pitbulls banned, they need to decide whether to ban all dogs that are more aggressive then pits as well, or all dogs that are of equal size as they could do a similar amount of damage.

[fsuheater]

Great thread had a bit of everything in it, and Im always looking for an excuse to post pictures of rosie haha

Wailua, I might have to post a pic of Ruby and Chancellor, my awesome boxers. They are mom and son and the absolute best dogs I've ever known. Channy looks a little intimidating but he is the biggest sweetheart.

Boxers are really awesome dogs, I was looking at rescuing one from the pound before getting rosie. Please do post some pictures if you feel so inclined!

Thanks! I agree. These are my babies...Chancellor on the left and his mom, Ruby, on the right. A little blurry, but one of my favs.

[wailuaFC]

This is like saying infants are more aggressive than inmates because people are hit by infants way more than they are by inmates.

That analogy is like saying that puppies are much more aggressive then full grown dogs because they are always biting things

[wailuaFC]

Wailua, I might have to post a pic of Ruby and Chancellor, my awesome boxers. They are mom and son and the absolute best dogs I've ever known. Channy looks a little intimidating but he is the biggest sweetheart.

Boxers are really awesome dogs, I was looking at rescuing one from the pound before getting rosie. Please do post some pictures if you feel so inclined!

Thanks! I agree. These are my babies...Chancellor on the left and his mom, Ruby, on the right. A little blurry, but one of my favs.

What great looking dogs! Love the bandanas around their necks, too cute

[Kingcarl24]

This is like saying infants are more aggressive than inmates because people are hit by infants way more than they are by inmates.

That analogy is like saying that puppies are much more aggressive then full grown dogs because they are always biting things

Isn't that what you're saying though? Nobody cares about the puppy bites because they don't do real damage.

[fsuheater]

Boxers are really awesome dogs, I was looking at rescuing one from the pound before getting rosie. Please do post some pictures if you feel so inclined!

Thanks! I agree. These are my babies...Chancellor on the left and his mom, Ruby, on the right. A little blurry, but one of my favs.

What great looking dogs! Love the bandanas around their necks, too cute

Thanks! The bandanas probably indicate it was Christmas or something. They are great dogs, especially with kids.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Thanks! I agree. These are my babies...Chancellor on the left and his mom, Ruby, on the right. A little blurry, but one of my favs.

What great looking dogs! Love the bandanas around their necks, too cute

Thanks! The bandanas probably indicate it was Christmas or something. They are great dogs, especially with kids.

So you gonna take the third boxer I offered or not?

[Da Stars.]

Disagree, see Zimmerman (results) and Tayvon (aggressor).

If I didn't know your posting history, I'd swear you are trolling. Your position is - well - retarded.

Like I said I have an admitted bias, I love pit bulls. My stance hasnt changed throughout this entire discussion, pitbulls are not even close to being the most aggressive dog breed. If people want pitbulls banned, they need to decide whether to ban all dogs that are more aggressive then pits as well, or all dogs that are of equal size as they could do a similar amount of damage.

In your young life around Pit Bulls FC did you ever know an owner that had to taser his own dog to control it when other dogs were around?

[wailuaFC]

This is like saying infants are more aggressive than inmates because people are hit by infants way more than they are by inmates.

That analogy is like saying that puppies are much more aggressive then full grown dogs because they are always biting things

Isn't that what you're saying though? Nobody cares about the puppy bites because they don't do real damage.

Not puppies, there are many more full grown dog breeds that are more aggressive then pitbulls, yet you always hear about people wanting pitbulls banned because of how aggressive they are. If the reason people want pitbulls banned is because they are dangerous, then shouldnt they also want all big dogs banned as a bull mastiff (110 pounds-150) attack sure sounds a lot more scary to me then a pitbull (55-80 pounds) attack

[wailuaFC]

If I didn't know your posting history, I'd swear you are trolling. Your position is - well - retarded.

Like I said I have an admitted bias, I love pit bulls. My stance hasnt changed throughout this entire discussion, pitbulls are not even close to being the most aggressive dog breed. If people want pitbulls banned, they need to decide whether to ban all dogs that are more aggressive then pits as well, or all dogs that are of equal size as they could do a similar amount of damage.

In your young life around Pit Bulls FC did you ever know an owner that had to taser his own dog to control it when other dogs were around?

Not tasered, but Ive known a few bad ones, definitely due to the owners treatment. A dog that has had to been tasered doesnt belong being walked in a residential area, thats just asking for trouble. Seems like the owner of the dog that attacked you was a real asshole