JUst killed a dog.

[Max]

I gotta say, in all seriousness, not even trolling, but to say that Stars "overreacted" would be a huge understatement. He saw the dog a friggin' block away, had bought a knife with the purpose of stabbing that pitbull to death, and then it jumps up on him and BAM! It's dead. Knife wound to the jugular.

None of that sounds suspect to anyone? If a pitbull pounced on bad hip Stars, I'm supposed to believe that he had time to deftly aim his knife for the throat?

Just saying.

Never known Stars to bullshit about anything and it hangs together for me. Apparently for a witness and the police too.

lol you're an idiot.

[Incognito]

Stars is an alpha. He doesn't fuck around.

[Titan18]

Stars is an alpha. He doesn't fuck around.

If you fuck with Macie you will get the horns

[Incognito]

I've had to catch this dog from dying in the road about a dozen times now because the idiots across the street from me can't lock their front gate.

The other day I gave their slut daughter a clip with a chain on it to lock the latch on the fence. I hope they use it.

[LookAway]

Good job protecting your dog stars, only you know the situation and Im sure you did the right thing. To the people saying no one should own pitbulls, should akitas, dachshunds, dobermans, chow chows, chihuahuas also die out because they average more attacks on other pets/humans then pits do. Just because they have the power and reputation to be the mean killing machines doesnt mean they all are. Just as is the same with a child, it all depends on the environment they are raised in.

The problem is the pitbulls strength. They are stronger pound for pound than the other breeds so that is why they can be more dangerous. That and they have a stubbornness that other dogs don't possess

This hits the key point. While it may be true WailuaFC that more chihuahuas attack people than pit bulls, the consequences of those attacks are generally de minimus. Pit bull attacks because of their incredible jaw strength and 'dogged' determination are often devastating.

I agree with you Grizz, not everyone should be allowed to own "pitbulls". I think the vast majority of people shouldn't be allowed to own dogs at all.

[LookAway]

The problem is the pitbulls strength. They are stronger pound for pound than the other breeds so that is why they can be more dangerous. That and they have a stubbornness that other dogs don't possess

This hits the key point. While it may be true WailuaFC that more chihuahuas attack people than pit bulls, the consequences of those attacks are generally de minimus. Pit bull attacks because of their incredible jaw strength and 'dogged' determination are often devastating.

I can completely agree with that. They aren't nearly the most aggressive breed, but when they do attack their power is undeniable. Pitbulls are very much part of our culture here, mostly because they are awesome hunting dogs, and so having grown up around them all my life I definitely have a soft spot for those big smiley destructive heads of theirs

Where do you live? In the States, it is hard to find someone who still uses them for that...

[LookAway]

..damn Stars, sorry that happened and most definitely glad everyone is ok...and I will say, you did the right thing without a doubt...there was fair warning, and that was ignored by a irresponsible owner, fuck him...

I see both sides here, infidel seems adamant about not wanting them around and that isn't the worse thing to believe...I also see people defending the breed, and that is fine too...

..Pits have and always will have the propensity to be aggressive, and that is the truth...that is the nature of the beast, so to speak...the fine line is drawn between responsible owners, and then everyone else...if you own a Pit, you best spend lots of time with them and teach them well...Rots are the same way...those who acquire them with having a " viable house protector" in mind should not own one as they are likely dopes...and then you have the classic "I want a badass dog" idiots...I would not be opposed to a screening process for those who want that type of dog, because I guarantee most would be turned down...

Dominance perhaps but not aggression.

[LookAway]

..well, I'll start off by saying that is a cute dog you have, and knowing you on here you definitely fall into the responsible owner category...

..on the other hand, Pits and labs are far apart in the propensity effect...if you know the history of Pits, you would know why they came about...Pits can be tamed without a doubt, but I guarantee, for the most part, a Pit will take loads more time and patience than a lab will...the reputation of the pit bull came about because of the history of the dog and the incidents that ensued...

If I'm not mistaken I believe both rotties and pits were bred to be butcher dogs (pulled around carts full of meat) which explains why both have very thick shoulders and are generally docked at the tail.

..they were originally used to hunt larger game and eventually used in blood sports, both reasons being the size/strength...what you said is true also, as they did serve a viable purpose...my thing is that these breeds most definitely have a higher propensity to turn and studies have shown this...now, that's not to say they shouldn't be owned, just that whoever decides to take on this breed best take the time to work with them, and as I said before, they should be screened...because we both know there are wayyyy too many irresponsible/lazy dog owners...

Can I have a link to those studies, I call bs

[LookAway]

What did the police say after they talked to the neighbor

Self defense. End of story. This all is just a bad dream. Blood pressure is sky high.

You stabbed his dog in the fucking neck, maniac. Of COURSE your blood pressure is high.

You I would have a shot with. This is freakin hillarious

[LookAway]

I gotta say, in all seriousness, not even trolling, but to say that Stars "overreacted" would be a huge understatement. He saw the dog a friggin' block away, had bought a knife with the purpose of stabbing that pitbull to death, and then it jumps up on him and BAM! It's dead. Knife wound to the jugular.

None of that sounds suspect to anyone? If a pitbull pounced on bad hip Stars, I'm supposed to believe that he had time to deftly aim his knife for the throat?

Just saying.

I had the same thought from page 1. Unfortunately there is a Pitbull bias that is okay with everyone

[Laughing Man]

There is some white trash lady in our area who is always walking her aggressive pitbull around.. think next time I'll just call the cops and report her for walking an aggressive dog around several times a day in an area where lots of kids and people walk.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I'm not going to lie

This entire thread turned me on

Great thread had a bit of everything in it, and Im always looking for an excuse to post pictures of rosie haha

Wailua, I might have to post a pic of Ruby and Chancellor, my awesome boxers. They are mom and son and the absolute best dogs I've ever known. Channy looks a little intimidating but he is the biggest sweetheart.

fsu... you're the one I need to speak to. You need a 3rd boxer. I have just the one for you...


[Note: Sorry Karl. You're out.]

[wailuaFC]

This hits the key point. While it may be true WailuaFC that more chihuahuas attack people than pit bulls, the consequences of those attacks are generally de minimus. Pit bull attacks because of their incredible jaw strength and 'dogged' determination are often devastating.

I can completely agree with that. They aren't nearly the most aggressive breed, but when they do attack their power is undeniable. Pitbulls are very much part of our culture here, mostly because they are awesome hunting dogs, and so having grown up around them all my life I definitely have a soft spot for those big smiley destructive heads of theirs

Where do you live? In the States, it is hard to find someone who still uses them for that...

Hawaii, they started off as hunting dogs but most people cross breed them with another dog because pits shoulders are often too big to get through too thick of forests

[jordanzone]

If I'm not mistaken I believe both rotties and pits were bred to be butcher dogs (pulled around carts full of meat) which explains why both have very thick shoulders and are generally docked at the tail.

..they were originally used to hunt larger game and eventually used in blood sports, both reasons being the size/strength...what you said is true also, as they did serve a viable purpose...my thing is that these breeds most definitely have a higher propensity to turn and studies have shown this...now, that's not to say they shouldn't be owned, just that whoever decides to take on this breed best take the time to work with them, and as I said before, they should be screened...because we both know there are wayyyy too many irresponsible/lazy dog owners...

Can I have a link to those studies, I call bs

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657532" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationals ... eeds-a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.
The authors wrote:
"...the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators."

[wailuaFC]

..they were originally used to hunt larger game and eventually used in blood sports, both reasons being the size/strength...what you said is true also, as they did serve a viable purpose...my thing is that these breeds most definitely have a higher propensity to turn and studies have shown this...now, that's not to say they shouldn't be owned, just that whoever decides to take on this breed best take the time to work with them, and as I said before, they should be screened...because we both know there are wayyyy too many irresponsible/lazy dog owners...

Can I have a link to those studies, I call bs

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657532" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationals ... eeds-a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.
The authors wrote:
"...the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators."

The problem with that study is its only documenting bites that resulted in hospitalization. Smaller dogs, dachshunds, chihuahuas, chow chows, all have a much higher attack rate, but they dont have the power that pits have, therefore it didnt lead to hospitalization

[AbeVigodaLive]

Can I have a link to those studies, I call bs

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657532" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationals ... eeds-a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.
The authors wrote:
"...the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators."

The problem with that study is its only documenting bites that resulted in hospitalization. Smaller dogs, dachshunds, chihuahuas, chow chows, all have a much higher attack rate, but they dont have the power that pits have, therefore it didnt lead to hospitalization

To be fair, that's pretty much irrelevant.

It's like showing a stat about the disproportionate number of murder victims by gunshot and then pointing out that it's not fair that the study doesn't include people who are slapped in the face.

[Da Stars.]

Can I have a link to those studies, I call bs

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657532" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationals ... eeds-a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.
The authors wrote:
"...the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators."

The problem with that study is its only documenting bites that resulted in hospitalization. Smaller dogs, dachshunds, chihuahuas, chow chows, all have a much higher attack rate, but they dont have the power that pits have, therefore it didnt lead to hospitalization

Small dogs for what ever reason do not like children.

[wailuaFC]

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657532" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationals ... eeds-a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.
The authors wrote:
"...the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators."

The problem with that study is its only documenting bites that resulted in hospitalization. Smaller dogs, dachshunds, chihuahuas, chow chows, all have a much higher attack rate, but they dont have the power that pits have, therefore it didnt lead to hospitalization

To be fair, that's pretty much irrelevant.

It's like showing a stat about the disproportionate number of murder victims by gunshot and then pointing out that it's not fair that the study doesn't include people who are slapped in the face.

I disagree, we are discussing aggression not the results of the aggression. Do pit bulls attacks result on more hospitalizations then dachshunds? Obviously, they are like 10 times the size, but does that make them the more aggressive breed? Nope

[LookAway]

I can completely agree with that. They aren't nearly the most aggressive breed, but when they do attack their power is undeniable. Pitbulls are very much part of our culture here, mostly because they are awesome hunting dogs, and so having grown up around them all my life I definitely have a soft spot for those big smiley destructive heads of theirs

Where do you live? In the States, it is hard to find someone who still uses them for that...

Hawaii, they started off as hunting dogs but most people cross breed them with another dog because pits shoulders are often too big to get through too thick of forests

I could see that. When I was training dogs, I used to love Staffys for their desire to please. They are like Goldens that way. I could see them hunting.

[LookAway]

..they were originally used to hunt larger game and eventually used in blood sports, both reasons being the size/strength...what you said is true also, as they did serve a viable purpose...my thing is that these breeds most definitely have a higher propensity to turn and studies have shown this...now, that's not to say they shouldn't be owned, just that whoever decides to take on this breed best take the time to work with them, and as I said before, they should be screened...because we both know there are wayyyy too many irresponsible/lazy dog owners...

Can I have a link to those studies, I call bs

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/1979-1988-d ... lities.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8657532" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationals ... eeds-a.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


A 5-year (2001–05) review of dog attack victims admitted to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia determined that pit bull terriers were implicated in more than half of the bites where breed was identified. Of the 269 patients where breed was identified, 137 (51%) were attacked by pit bulls.
The authors wrote:
"...the overwhelming number of bites involving pit bull terriers in this study and others certainly has some degree of validity when it comes to identifying bite-prone breeds. Pit bull terriers, German shepherds, and Rottweilers were the offending breeds implicated in our study, and have accounted for the majority of dog bites according to other investigators."

I'll reserve my response until after I have read the studies