So is this one season indicative of how the entire decade was? I wouldn't say so.
I randomly grabbed a single year in the 90s. If you think it changed significantly... be my guest and do your own homework that shows more than 1/2 the league's centers weren't stiffs in another year.
Abe,the discussion isn't whether there were below average centers though. That's every era in every season. I've never denied that.
That's why when comparing the two eras, I find it silly to say that the group of Cs that Rondo listed as being better or even on par with the 90's top 10ish group.
This is the biggest difference between the two eras and she's in denial.
You're having a very difficult time grasping my point.
I'm not comparing the group I listed to the ALL of the 90's top 10 centers. What an incredibly stupid argument. My point was that from top-to-bottom this group of centers is every bit as good as any season from the 90's. Abe did a great job showing the MASSIVE drop off after the top 4-5 centers from that era. You just don't want to admit that your precious nostalgia-filled era isn't all it's hyped up to be by Skip Bayless and all the clowns at ESPN.
I randomly grabbed a single year in the 90s. If you think it changed significantly... be my guest and do your own homework that shows more than 1/2 the league's centers weren't stiffs in another year.
Abe,the discussion isn't whether there were below average centers though. That's every era in every season. I've never denied that.
That's why when comparing the two eras, I find it silly to say that the group of Cs that Rondo listed as being better or even on par with the 90's top 10ish group.
This is the biggest difference between the two eras and she's in denial.
You're having a very difficult time grasping my point.
I'm not comparing the group I listed to the ALL of the 90's top 10 centers. What an incredibly stupid argument. My point was that from top-to-bottom this group of centers is every bit as good as any season from the 90's.
Abe did a great job showing the MASSIVE drop off after the top 4-5 centers from that era.
You just don't want to admit that your precious nostalgia-filled era isn't all it's hyped up to be by Skip Bayless and all the clowns at ESPN.
Actually he didn't. You fail to grasp that behind those 4-5 ELITE centers, there were some damn good-solid players. The gap is so extreme because ELITE >>>>>> Damn good. Your era DOES NOT have that ELITE player outside of Duncan, who didn't always play C but I think he belongs in this topic, so there is no steep dropoff.
You're acting as if those 4-5 guys were the only talented Cs in the 90s. It's simply not the case. You've got to be either misinformed or just plain in denial to not think that the 90s had a better group of Cs.
I know exactly what it implies.....the PED's of today that Bronz and a good portion of the players are on are FAR more advanced and "performance beneficial" then those of the 90's and before. This isn't up for debate.
Do you have a list of PED's of today and doctor's testimonies on the effects of said drugs? Can you expand on what makes them superior to the PED's that Jordan took?
I know exactly what it implies.....the PED's of today that Bronz and a good portion of the players are on are FAR more advanced and "performance beneficial" then those of the 90's and before. This isn't up for debate.
Do you have a list of PED's of today and doctor's testimonies on the effects of said drugs? Can you expand on what makes them superior to the PED's that Jordan took?
Thanks.
This isn't a court of law, I don't need any(but yes the documentation is out there)....It's common sense.....I also don't need any "documentation" to know Barry Bonds took PED's or that OJ "did it" either.
MJ's cranium size didn't explode like Bronze..... he also didn't have worse acne in his late 20's then he did in high school.....nice try at deflecting though.
y2ktors wrote:
Abe,the discussion isn't whether there were below average centers though. That's every era in every season. I've never denied that.
That's why when comparing the two eras, I find it silly to say that the group of Cs that Rondo listed as being better or even on par with the 90's top 10ish group.
This is the biggest difference between the two eras and she's in denial.
You're having a very difficult time grasping my point.
I'm not comparing the group I listed to the ALL of the 90's top 10 centers. What an incredibly stupid argument. My point was that from top-to-bottom this group of centers is every bit as good as any season from the 90's.
Abe did a great job showing the MASSIVE drop off after the top 4-5 centers from that era.
You just don't want to admit that your precious nostalgia-filled era isn't all it's hyped up to be by Skip Bayless and all the clowns at ESPN.
Actually he didn't. You fail to grasp that behind those 4-5 ELITE centers, there were some damn good-solid players. The gap is so extreme because ELITE >>>>>> Damn good. Your era DOES NOT have that ELITE player outside of Duncan, who didn't always play C but I think he belongs in this topic, so there is no steep dropoff.
You're acting as if those 4-5 guys were the only talented Cs in the 90s. It's simply not the case. You've got to be either misinformed or just plain in denial to not think that the 90s had a better group of Cs.
Who are these "damn good" players? You must have low criteria for "damn good." Is Omer Asik a "damn good" center?
Again, pick any season and let's compare the players. This offer has been on the table all day and you refuse to acknowledge it.
Jordan420Bulls wrote:
I know exactly what it implies.....the PED's of today that Bronz and a good portion of the players are on are FAR more advanced and "performance beneficial" then those of the 90's and before. This isn't up for debate.
Do you have a list of PED's of today and doctor's testimonies on the effects of said drugs? Can you expand on what makes them superior to the PED's that Jordan took?
Thanks.
This isn't a court of law, I don't need any(but yes the documentation is out there)....It's common sense.....I also don't need any "documentation" to know Barry Bonds took PED's or that OJ "did it" either.
MJ's cranium size didn't explode like Bronze..... he also didn't have worse acne in his late 20's then he did in high school.....nice try at deflecting though.
l3bron wrote:
You're having a very difficult time grasping my point.
I'm not comparing the group I listed to the ALL of the 90's top 10 centers. What an incredibly stupid argument. My point was that from top-to-bottom this group of centers is every bit as good as any season from the 90's. You just don't want to admit that your precious nostalgia-filled era isn't all it's hyped up to be by Skip Bayless and all the clowns at ESPN.
Actually he didn't. You fail to grasp that behind those 4-5 ELITE centers, there were some damn good-solid players. The gap is so extreme because ELITE >>>>>> Damn good. Your era DOES NOT have that ELITE player outside of Duncan, who didn't always play C but I think he belongs in this topic, so there is no steep dropoff.
You're acting as if those 4-5 guys were the only talented Cs in the 90s. It's simply not the case. You've got to be either misinformed or just plain in denial to not think that the 90s had a better group of Cs.
Who are these "damn good" players? You must have low criteria for "damn good." Is Omer Asik a "damn good" center?
Again, pick any season and let's compare the players. This offer has been on the table all day and you refuse to acknowledge it.
y2ktors wrote:
Actually he didn't. You fail to grasp that behind those 4-5 ELITE centers, there were some damn good-solid players. The gap is so extreme because ELITE >>>>>> Damn good. Your era DOES NOT have that ELITE player outside of Duncan, who didn't always play C but I think he belongs in this topic, so there is no steep dropoff.
You're acting as if those 4-5 guys were the only talented Cs in the 90s. It's simply not the case. You've got to be either misinformed or just plain in denial to not think that the 90s had a better group of Cs.
Who are these "damn good" players? You must have low criteria for "damn good." Is Omer Asik a "damn good" center?
Again, pick any season and let's compare the players. This offer has been on the table all day and you refuse to acknowledge it.
1992-93. Start there
OK go ahead. List the "damn good" centers that season.
