Hey Bush what’s up with butt scooting in BJJ?

[LNS]

[Bush4Ever.]

There is a lot to say about it, and is a point of divide between various camps of autistic BJJ people who argue on line (not me, but autistic people).

The executive summary is that it's a point of division between people who view BJJ as a martial art first, sport second, and people who BJJ as a sport first, martial art second.

As a martial artist, the practice is absurd, and literally no one in the old school tradition trained or fought that way. Generally, BJJ was mixed with Judo and maybe some other forms of wrestling to get that initial ground position. But in a modern sport setting, most scoring systems either have no or minimal penalty for immediately putting yourself on the ground, provided you are engaging from the ground with the opponent. Obviously, in a real world self-defense setting, it's a ridiculous idea.

To be blunt, the reality is that it's just a bypass for people who don't want to do the hard work associated with wrestling (or Judo) and learn how to really do takedowns, because frankly...wrestling *is* hard for people who are probably starting as adults.

Which is horseshit. It's almost impossible to get good at wrestling (amongst lifelong wrestlers vs. wrestler-wrestlers) as an adult, but it's not *that* hard to get good enough at wrestling sufficient to take down untrained idiots, drunkards, or whoever else you visualize as someone trying to hurt you in a real life defense scenario.

This is very much an old-school vs. new-school issue. And honestly, (for once), the old guys are right.

[LNS]

Yea I can’t imagine someone trying to butt scoot in a street fight… I’d just stomp their nuts. Pretty funny image actually

[Bush4Ever.]

I don't care too much about doing sport BJJ in sporting competition provided you have an understanding of how certain things don't translate well to "real" fights and make an effort to fill the gaps in your normal training.

Ryan Hall had a very guard-centric and terrible takedown game in sport BJJ, but what happened when he had to handle TDK in a self-defense situation in regular life? He played a super-high percentage, fundamental-positional hierarchy type game.

[Alex_Murphy]

all you would have to do is jump at him crotch first then tangle your legs around his neck contort your body while doing that to avoid any counter and choke him out into submission

[Alex_Murphy]

if you two don’t believe that will work then why don’t one y’all fight me

[LNS]

if you two don’t believe that will work then why don’t one y’all fight me

You seem like you’d be too worried about chipping your whitened teeth or getting a hair plug yanked out to be effective in a fight.

[Alex_Murphy]

if you two don’t believe that will work then why don’t one y’all fight me

You seem like you’d be too worried about chipping your whitened teeth or getting a hair plug yanked out to be effective in a fight.

nvm then. you’re probably right.

[Bush4Ever.]

The guy in the clip is a former world champion in sport BJJ, and has one of the greatest guards in history.

To the point where it was legit seen as a breaking news level accomplishment to simply pass his guard (at any weight, not his size).

Leoss...I don't think you'd have much fun with him, even with your strategy.