So Poncho dropped 50 Points last night on 33% from long-range and 68% from the FT line...

[Bush4Ever.]

Paolo literally shot 4-12 and 4-13 in the two games prior to this one.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

You must be another fake-stats guy... those arbitrary formulas using random numbers/calculations are much more credible than the actual/factual numbers I read from the boxscore, eh?

How did that even come remotely close to making sense in your tiny little brain before you hit Submit?

You're pretty stupid grizz... let me dumb it down for you:

Dude dropped 50 on just 26 FGA despite shooting below-average on 3's and well below-average on FT shooting. How did he do it?

Exactly... he scored in the same manner Jordan did on a regular basis, only Jordan shot 84% from the line.

In other words Poncho's game last night was an average night for Jordan when you adjust for the fact that he played in a tougher, more physical league. Thus, if Poncho was able to drop 50 then it stands to reason Mike would easily average 40 for a season.

Discuss why this upsets you to your very core?

The leaps of logic in that post are too numerous to go through. You are delusional. I'm not getting sucked into another dumb argument with a guy who has built in biases bigger than Shaq on the Cavs. Have a nice day in your parallel universe.

[thedangerouskitchen]

Wtf are you basing this on?

Read the title of the thread again...

That’s one game

It's the manner in which he got 50... mid-range shooting (15-22 feet in) and drives to the basket/drawing fouls.

That was Jordan's game.

He would thoroughly dominate today. 40 a night easy.

[zombiesonics]

Paolo is 6’10 250 lbs. He’s bigger than every ‘90s center while having more skills than any ‘90s guard.

MJ is a 6’6” 210 lb non-shooting SG. And you think he’d average more than 20 in today’s era?

[LNS]

Stop. MJ puts up at least 29-33ppg. I swear there’s no middle ground with you people. Either MJ would be a bball god averaging 40-10-10 or he’d be a borderline All Star barely cracking 25ppg lol

Reread what I posted. If you need a Mexican-English translation, let me know.

JoRdaN coULd aVeRaGe iN thE MiD 20s iN thE MoDerN GaMe

[LNS]

Read the title of the thread again...

That’s one game

It's the manner in which he got 50... mid-range shooting (15-22 feet in) and drives to the basket/drawing fouls.

That was Jordan's game.

He would thoroughly dominate today. 40 a night easy.

Yea… one game clearly demonstrates how MJ’s entire career would shape up in today’s league.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Two prior posts making LNS' point. Both are silly as shit. Not a hope in hell he averages 40, and not a hope in hell he doesn't average at least 25. Zombies is the anti-TDK. Just as delusional on the other side of the argument.

He'd get fewer shots in today's NBA than he did in his day because his 3 isn't great, but he'd still feast. He just isn't feasting anywhere near as much as TDK thinks. That's just stupid. Would he have 50 point games? Of course he would. Would he average 40. Not a fucking chance.

[Bush4Ever.]

JoRdaN coULd aVeRaGe iN thE MiD 20s iN thE MoDerN GaMe

Could =/= "Would"

"Jordan could average 25 a game" =/= "Jordan would average exactly 25 a game".

In other words "capable of averaging AT LEAST 25 a game".

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

FWIW, I interpreted Bush's take to mean that MJ would probably average something like 25 to 30 with 25 being a floor. I actually think that is a pretty reasonable guess.

[Bush4Ever.]

Jordan dropped right into the modern game would likely:

a) be right in the mix for scoring titles, but
b) not running away with scoring titles or winning 10x scoring titles (or however many he won), while
c) Likely having an uptick in absolute TS, and
d) probably being about the same in terms of TS+, or maybe slightly worse

[LNS]

JoRdaN coULd aVeRaGe iN thE MiD 20s iN thE MoDerN GaMe

Could =/= "Would"

"Jordan could average 25 a game" =/= "Jordan would average exactly 25 a game".

In other words "capable of averaging AT LEAST 25 a game".

25ppg is chump change for prime MJ. He’d be cracking 30+ppg regularly. I think the problems with these dumbass hypotheticals is that we all approach them from different angles. I’m of the belief that he’d adjust his playing style to the modern era. I know assuming what he’d do is more of a fantasy approach… but plugging in 1987 MJ in today’s league and just assuming he’d change nothing is equally as silly IMO. He had good to above average 3pt shooting in 1990, 1996, 1997… yes the volume was also low but I’m positive he’d adjust. It doesn’t matter… these hypotheticals are interesting but also kinda goofy.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

JoRdaN coULd aVeRaGe iN thE MiD 20s iN thE MoDerN GaMe

Could =/= "Would"

"Jordan could average 25 a game" =/= "Jordan would average exactly 25 a game".

In other words "capable of averaging AT LEAST 25 a game".

25ppg is chump change for prime MJ. He’d be cracking 30+ppg regularly. I think the problems with these dumbass hypotheticals is that we all approach them from different angles. I’m of the belief that he’d adjust his playing style to the modern era. I know assuming what he’d do is more of a fantasy approach… but plugging in 1987 MJ in today’s league and just assuming he’d change nothing is equally as silly IMO. He had good to above average 3pt shooting in 1990, 1996, 1997… yes the volume was also low but I’m positive he’d adjust. It doesn’t matter… these hypotheticals are interesting but also kinda goofy.

For two of those years, the 3 point line was shortened. Having said that, if you believe he would be a 35% 3 point shooter, then he does regularly crack 30 as an average for sure. If you don't and just assume he is close to what he was, then he is probably in the high 20s. He would be taking fewer shots than he did in his day when the 3 point shot was far less of a factor.

[Bush4Ever.]

25ppg is chump change for prime MJ. He’d be cracking 30+ppg regularly. I think the problems with these dumbass hypotheticals is that we all approach them from different angles. I’m of the belief that he’d adjust his playing style to the modern era. I know assuming what he’d do is more of a fantasy approach… but plugging in 1987 MJ in today’s league and just assuming he’d change nothing is equally as silly IMO. He had good to above average 3pt shooting in 1990, 1996, 1997… yes the volume was also low but I’m positive he’d adjust. It doesn’t matter… these hypotheticals are interesting but also kinda goofy.

Shooting reasonable (but not amazingly) percentages on nothing but premium threes implies he would shoot about 20-25 percent if he shot the basket of threes (easy, medium, hard, etc...) at modern volumes. If modern guys shot nothing but the premium threes Jordan shot, they would shoot around 60 or 70 percent.

It's fine to say he would "adjust", but you don't get to stack the relative advantages of the old school game on top of the modern advantages. Either you bump up his threes and downgrade his midrange, or you take everything as is and try to make a reasonable guess. He wouldn't be playing iso ball NEARLY as much in the modern game. He wouldn't be playing as many minutes. There are things that benefit the modern scorer, but there are also things that harm him. If you want to talk about adjustments, you need to adjust *everything*.

The other aspect that doesn't get talked about is how much more difficult the modern game would be on Jordan's psyche. The press/media almost universally kissed his ass (at least near and at his peak), and he still had multiple psychotic breaks and two early retirements.

Playing in the social media era, there is a chance he'd commit suicide or do a Ben Simmons and simply refuse to play.

[Robceltsfan]

The minutes played and lower shot attempts per player are the biggest differences and what would easily limit Jordan's stats to levels below what TDK would predict.

[elartman1973]

Check his first half numbers.
Wrecked

[elartman1973]

Paolo literally shot 4-12 and 4-13 in the two games prior to this one.

How about game 1?

And Franz was Ballin those games and was out the second half last night due to illness

[Bush4Ever.]

How about game 1?

And Franz was Ballin those games and was out the second half last night due to illness

What about it?

He's had one excellent game, one phenomenal game, and two dogshit games in terms of shooting/scoring.

That's pretty much the mark of a younger player who is growing into a star role. Alternating between great games and bad ones.

[elartman1973]

How about game 1?

And Franz was Ballin those games and was out the second half last night due to illness

What about it?

He's had one excellent game, one phenomenal game, and two dogshit games in terms of shooting/scoring.

That's pretty much the mark of a younger player who is growing into a star role. Alternating between great games and bad ones.

You've never watched him play. You don't have credibility. Plus those were Franz games. Magic aren't a one man team clown

[Bush4Ever.]

You've never watched him play. You don't have credibility. Plus those were Franz games. Magic aren't a one man team clown

I'm pretty sure those being "Franz games" doesn't require that he shoot 8-25 when he did shoot.

Paolo would be the 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics.

You, as a Magic fan...can't address me on fandom topics.

[elartman1973]

Bush and his severe delusion are pathetic.
Paolo would quickly ascend to best player on the celtics. He was owning Tatum and brown as a rookie you moron.
You have zero credibility