Hey Undies, how’s that Lebanon war going?

[zombiesonics]

:rofhaha:

[Alex_Murphy]

you can tell this is fake news and propaganda to save face

[zombiesonics]

[kobeunderbite]

I don't know lol, which side has lost its entire leadership class, counts over 2,500 dead (by their own public admission, not including civilians) and is calling for a ceasefire vs. which side counts approximately 70 dead and is actively waging war in enemy territory while bombing it to oblivion?

I get that this is a schtick, but doesn't it make more sense to take the attily approach and claim that Russia is coming to save the day rather than pretend that Israel is somehow losing a war any time something negative happens on the Israel side? It's extremely autistic seeming and it's not particularly engaging.

By the way, regarding your most recent Tweet from "warmonitors," missiles have been fired "from Lebanon towards Tel Aviv" *literally* every single day since October 8th, 2023. Are you aware of this, and if you are, what is the significance of that particular tweet? It kind of seems like you're not aware of it and believe it represents an escalation or something that is newly threatening.

[CleveTown™]

I don't know lol, which side has lost its entire leadership class, counts over 2,500 dead (by their own public admission, not including civilians) and is calling for a ceasefire vs. which side counts approximately 70 dead and is actively waging war in enemy territory while bombing it to oblivion?

I get that this is a schtick, but doesn't it make more sense to take the attily approach and claim that Russia is coming to save the day rather than pretend that Israel is somehow losing a war any time something negative happens on the Israel side? It's extremely autistic seeming and it's not particularly engaging.

By the way, regarding your most recent Tweet from "warmonitors," missiles have been fired "from Lebanon towards Tel Aviv" *literally* every single day since October 8th, 2023. Are you aware of this, and if you are, what is the significance of that particular tweet? It kind of seems like you're not aware of it and believe it represents an escalation or something that is newly threatening.

The Christian Bible, which is regarded as the Word of God, predicts that Israel will be surrounded with Russia playing a role along with the "kings of the East," whoever they may be.

So enjoy the current peace while it lasts.

In the end, the Bible also states that Jesus will not return until the Israeli people declare, "Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord" (Matthew 23:39). In other words, He will not save the land he promised Abraham until they acknowledge that the Christians were right, and believe Jesus is God in human form, who died for sinners.

It is only after this recognition that He will save Israel, usher in the millennial reign, and fulfill the prophecies of the Book (Daniel 9:24-27).

[lettherebehouse]

Zombie bragging about a field goal made in the 4th quarter of a 56-3 blowout seems to be on brand but I get it, when you’re this desperately needing some show of life is understandable.

Good job papi, you’re almost there.

[AtiliusRegulus]

Israel taking serious L’s. Even their economy is going to the crapper. Netanyahu needs to go. This tit for tat war is not working out and Israel cannot defeat hezbollah much less Iran.

[Da Stars.]

Not sure who is more cringe In this thread zombie or clevetown

[zombiesonics]

I don't know lol, which side has lost its entire leadership class, counts over 2,500 dead (by their own public admission, not including civilians) and is calling for a ceasefire vs. which side counts approximately 70 dead and is actively waging war in enemy territory while bombing it to oblivion?

I get that this is a schtick, but doesn't it make more sense to take the attily approach and claim that Russia is coming to save the day rather than pretend that Israel is somehow losing a war any time something negative happens on the Israel side? It's extremely autistic seeming and it's not particularly engaging.

By the way, regarding your most recent Tweet from "warmonitors," missiles have been fired "from Lebanon towards Tel Aviv" *literally* every single day since October 8th, 2023. Are you aware of this, and if you are, what is the significance of that particular tweet? It kind of seems like you're not aware of it and believe it represents an escalation or something that is newly threatening.

I’ll go ahead and simplify this for you in you’re having difficulty understanding:

Israel has achieved none of its strategic objectives since the war began, yet continue to open more fronts. They still haven’t defeated Hamas even though Gaza is now completely bombed out. They are getting annihilated by Hezbollah and the Lebanon invasion is already a failure. And they want to saber rattle with Iran.

Here’s a direct quote from the largest paper in Israel:

The Israeli regime shifted its focus to the northern front by launching a ground invasion on Lebanon after the occupying entity failed to achieve any of its declared goals in the year-long genocidal war on the besieged Gaza Strip, says a senior Israeli security source.

Hebrew-language daily Yedioth Ahronoth cited the Israeli source as saying that Tel Aviv’s aggression on southern Lebanon was aimed at returning the Israeli settlers who had fled due to intense retaliatory strikes by the Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah on the northern occupied territories.

The ground invasion of southern Lebanon came nearly a year after Israel launched a devastating war on Gaza following a historic operation by the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas in decades.

"Israel went to war in the Gaza Strip a year ago with two main objectives: securing the release of prisoners and dismantling Hamas's capabilities,” the security source said.

“After failing to achieve either of these objectives, Israel shifted its focus to the northern front, adding a third goal: the return of northern settlers. However, it is unclear how it will achieve this goal.”

'Opening more and more fronts'

The senior Israeli security source told Yedioth Ahronoth that the regime intends to open “more fronts” by dragging Iran into the conflict after shifting its focus from Gaza and Lebanon.

“Israel is likely to withdraw again from Gaza and Lebanon, this time turning its focus to Iran, intending to strike and add new objectives to a war that has yet to meet any of its goals,” he said.

“There were those who believed that victory on the northern front could conclude the southern front, and now they think that delivering a blow to Iran might end the northern front, which in turn would end the southern front. But this only means opening more and more fronts.”

[Thedictator]

I don't know lol, which side has lost its entire leadership class, counts over 2,500 dead (by their own public admission, not including civilians) and is calling for a ceasefire vs. which side counts approximately 70 dead and is actively waging war in enemy territory while bombing it to oblivion?

I get that this is a schtick, but doesn't it make more sense to take the attily approach and claim that Russia is coming to save the day rather than pretend that Israel is somehow losing a war any time something negative happens on the Israel side? It's extremely autistic seeming and it's not particularly engaging.

By the way, regarding your most recent Tweet from "warmonitors," missiles have been fired "from Lebanon towards Tel Aviv" *literally* every single day since October 8th, 2023. Are you aware of this, and if you are, what is the significance of that particular tweet? It kind of seems like you're not aware of it and believe it represents an escalation or something that is newly threatening.

I’ll go ahead and simplify this for you in you’re having difficulty understanding:

Israel has achieved none of its strategic objectives since the war began, yet continue to open more fronts. They still haven’t defeated Hamas even though Gaza is now completely bombed out. They are getting annihilated by Hezbollah and the Lebanon invasion is already a failure. And they want to saber rattle with Iran.

Here’s a direct quote from the largest paper in Israel:

The Israeli regime shifted its focus to the northern front by launching a ground invasion on Lebanon after the occupying entity failed to achieve any of its declared goals in the year-long genocidal war on the besieged Gaza Strip, says a senior Israeli security source.

Hebrew-language daily Yedioth Ahronoth cited the Israeli source as saying that Tel Aviv’s aggression on southern Lebanon was aimed at returning the Israeli settlers who had fled due to intense retaliatory strikes by the Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah on the northern occupied territories.

The ground invasion of southern Lebanon came nearly a year after Israel launched a devastating war on Gaza following a historic operation by the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas in decades.

"Israel went to war in the Gaza Strip a year ago with two main objectives: securing the release of prisoners and dismantling Hamas's capabilities,” the security source said.

“After failing to achieve either of these objectives, Israel shifted its focus to the northern front, adding a third goal: the return of northern settlers. However, it is unclear how it will achieve this goal.”

'Opening more and more fronts'

The senior Israeli security source told Yedioth Ahronoth that the regime intends to open “more fronts” by dragging Iran into the conflict after shifting its focus from Gaza and Lebanon.

“Israel is likely to withdraw again from Gaza and Lebanon, this time turning its focus to Iran, intending to strike and add new objectives to a war that has yet to meet any of its goals,” he said.

“There were those who believed that victory on the northern front could conclude the southern front, and now they think that delivering a blow to Iran might end the northern front, which in turn would end the southern front. But this only means opening more and more fronts.”

Sure they have. They have destroyed Gaza and all of its infrastructure and now are destroying Lebanon.

They set unrealistic goals to completely eliminate all the terror. All countries do this. Russia thought they would win the war in a week and we are on day 956.

Winning wars today means your infrastructure is fine for the most part and the other sides isn’t. Also who gets the most kills. If you are in the enemies territory and they aren’t in your country that means you are winning. The scoreboard never lies and anything else is just liberal cope.

[AtiliusRegulus]

Winning that PR battle

[kobeunderbite]

I recognize that my replying at all is a victory for zombiesonics, but I will go ahead anyway, because the fruit is too low hanging and my self control is limited on the topic. Israel's objectives were to free the hostages, destroy Hamas’s military and governmental capabilities, and return the 60,000 evacuated northern residents to their homes.

Of the 250 hostages, Israel has freed 117, with 70ish having been killed on October 7th-8th (many of whose bodies have been recovered). Of the remaining hostages, most are almost certainly dead, with a small number being held around Sinwar to serve as a deterrent. Given the scale of the task in saving hostages, again a large percentage of which were already dead by October 9th, Israel has done an incredible job. The majority of the hostages who could realistically be saved (weren't already dead or are surrounding Sinwar and therefore effectively dead) have been saved. Israel will consider any hostage death a failure, but objectively speaking, Israel has hugely overachieved in this area relative to what expectations were when the hostages were first taken.

As for Hamas - over half of its members are dead, over 90 percent of its rocket arsenal is destroyed and it no longer exists as an organized military. It exists in pockets, a guerilla force. Not a small achievement for Israel given Hamas had and continues to embed itself in a dense urban population. Anyone doubting these figures should observe that while IDF deaths in Gaza have become increasingly rare, Hamas militants are still being slaughtered in droves on a daily basis, and rockets launched from Gaza have fallen from hundreds per day to, at best, a few per week. It sounds like Israel is considering a siege and starvation strategy in still standing Gazan communities, as Hamas no longer has free access to food, because Israel took control of the Egyptian border and Philadelphi corridor where Hamas received all of its resources and weapons. Hamas militants survive now by stealing civilian aid.

Bottom line - Israel has achieved half of this objective, Hamas's governing capabilities have been permanently destroyed. "Plenty" of its fighters draw breath for the time being, roughly 20,000 of the 40,000 members who lived a year ago. But they are not capable of waging war or doing more than hiding in tunnels, hospitals and civilian buildings, killing one or two Israeli's per week and stealing civilian aid to survive. They will never re-arm so long as Israel controls the Egyptian border. This is nothing like the situation in Ukraine where the Ukrainians are still actively waging war. Israel has effectively castrated Hamas and is slowly killing and starving their remaining fighters like it's whack-a-mole.

Finally the objective to return the residents in the North, which had been evacuated due to Hezbollah's rocket fire. Israel technically achieved this goal already, as Hezbollah requested the ceasefire Israel needed to return displaced residents. However Israel recognizes the opportunity it has to permanently degrade Hezbollah while forcing a retreat behind the Litani River, and it is taking advantage. Between the pager attack killing or permanently maiming 5,000 and the nonstop bombing, Israel has decimated Hezbollah's leadership to the extent that all of its critical posts remain vacant. They have already killed Nasrallah's first two replacements. They are killing hundreds more per week and more importantly have destroyed over half of Hezbollah's arsenal which represented Iran's loaded gun and deterrent.

What Israel has achieved in Lebanon against the largest non-state army in the world in about a month is beyond what anyone would have believed possible. It's like a fantasy story. The entire chain of command of Hezbollah was killed in about 5 days, then Hezbollah finally agreed to a ceasefire with no preconditions, and Israel said fuck you and invaded Lebanon anyway lol.

Obviously Hezbollah and to a much lesser extent Hamas are going to get a few punches in. It's not possible to wipe out armies of tens of thousands and stockpiles of even more missiles and rockets without suffering any loss, short of dropping nukes. But pointing to the occasional 'hit' for Iran, or the fact that Hamas isn't completely decimated after 12 months, as some sort of proof of Israel being destroyed, losing, being humiliated lol, is too stupid to wrap my head around. Even Nick Fuentes is laughing at Hezbollah



Significant escalation with Iran won't be possible without Israeli loss, either. But sometimes you need to rip the band-aid off for the greater good. Of course retards like zombie will point to the occasional explosion at an IDF base as some sort of proof of Israel's failure when in reality it is equivalent to the "Chris Paul hits a huge three to cut the lead down to 42" meme.

Hezbollah sent hundreds of its blind, maimed and crippled fighters to Iran for a morale-boosting field trip btw lol

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

Attie and zombies live in a parallel universe. They definitely aren't aware of what is going on in this universe.

[zombiesonics]

Undies is 100% right, he just can’t help himself.

Here’s a completely unbiased breakdown of the entire situation. I’ve actually been generous to Israel in my assessment. It’s worse than you thought.

[Thedictator]

Lebanon says 21 killed in air strike in country’s north

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y80p1yr9qo

[Thedictator]

Undies is 100% right, he just can’t help himself.

Here’s a completely unbiased breakdown of the entire situation. I’ve actually been generous to Israel in my assessment. It’s worse than you thought.