Trump getting taken out behind the woodshed right now

[rileymartin]

Ok now I actually watched it in full. I do think that Trump 'won' at face value, but narrowly. He was the dominant presence in the debate which reflected in his having 25% more speaking time. Those things factor in even on a subconscious level. And the moderator gang-up was so blatant that it may have even worked to Trump's advantage in its unfairness.

However the real story here is the missed opportunities for Trump. On every subject I found myself begging him to talk about x, y or z and to ask specific, obvious questions of Kamala and he never did. He didn't hold her to the fire enough on anything - not on Afghanistan, not on meeting with Zelensky just before the war broke out, not on her shapeshifting and lack of baseline principles, not on inflation, not on the idea that he, not the democrats, weaponizes the justice system or divides based on race, not on taxing unrealized gains. He should have LED with his plan to fund IVF on the women's health questions, instead he saved it meekly for last.

It was painful to watch as a Trump supporter because I just know that a sharper candidate whether it be Vance, Vivek, RFK, etc. could have absolutely torpedoed Kamala. But the sad truth of it is that Trump, after three election cycles, is not an amazing debater. He is just okay. In a group setting he is the GOAT, but 1-on-1 doesn't play to his strengths nearly as well. He doesn't have the ability to rapidly process the lies being stated or recall the necessary facts and numbers in real-time in the way that other leaders can. Watching Bibi Netanyahu's conference with the English press the other week, I was amazed at how sharp he is and the mastery of the facts he has on every subject he is challenged on. I felt similarly when watching Putin's interview with Tucker. Trump is not that kind of leader, he is an energy/confidence guy, not a details guy.

For me Kamala came across as the most coached and rehearsed candidate ever. Even her expressions felt extremely artificial and planned in advance. I don't know how much ordinary people are able to detect that kind of stuff, though. To her credit her preparation stuck, because she doesn't have Alzheimer's like Biden. She had a gameplan and she implemented it reasonably well and the fact that she was cogent and poised 'enough' was a victory given where she and Biden had left the bar heading in.

Trump should debate again if he actually plans to do some basic preparation, otherwise just leave it be. It probably won't even matter, the result will come down to who is able to generate more votes and rig successfully, not who can actually inspire more people to support them.

You aren’t being honest with yourself. In no way, shape , or form can Trump claim any type of victory here. Now, Harris didn’t really “win” anything either, slough I will concede that she was very compelling on abortion, and I do think it will resonate.
As far as executed strategy, Harris by a mile. It was obvious that Harris plan was to simply remind America who Donald Trump really is, a self centered egomaniac who can’t simply look foward. And when he started rambling on about pets being eaten, and babies being murdered after birth, even she couldn’t contain her own excitement at times. What a spectacle.
Ultimately though, I am not sure how much of this really moves the needle, as most people already know who they are voting for. At thi point it will boil down to voter stamina…If the left shows up like they did 2020, Trump will lose. If they don’t, he wins…
And we better hope he wins…

[kobeunderbite]

Ok now I actually watched it in full. I do think that Trump 'won' at face value, but narrowly. He was the dominant presence in the debate which reflected in his having 25% more speaking time. Those things factor in even on a subconscious level. And the moderator gang-up was so blatant that it may have even worked to Trump's advantage in its unfairness.

However the real story here is the missed opportunities for Trump. On every subject I found myself begging him to talk about x, y or z and to ask specific, obvious questions of Kamala and he never did. He didn't hold her to the fire enough on anything - not on Afghanistan, not on meeting with Zelensky just before the war broke out, not on her shapeshifting and lack of baseline principles, not on inflation, not on the idea that he, not the democrats, weaponizes the justice system or divides based on race, not on taxing unrealized gains. He should have LED with his plan to fund IVF on the women's health questions, instead he saved it meekly for last.

It was painful to watch as a Trump supporter because I just know that a sharper candidate whether it be Vance, Vivek, RFK, etc. could have absolutely torpedoed Kamala. But the sad truth of it is that Trump, after three election cycles, is not an amazing debater. He is just okay. In a group setting he is the GOAT, but 1-on-1 doesn't play to his strengths nearly as well. He doesn't have the ability to rapidly process the lies being stated or recall the necessary facts and numbers in real-time in the way that other leaders can. Watching Bibi Netanyahu's conference with the English press the other week, I was amazed at how sharp he is and the mastery of the facts he has on every subject he is challenged on. I felt similarly when watching Putin's interview with Tucker. Trump is not that kind of leader, he is an energy/confidence guy, not a details guy.

For me Kamala came across as the most coached and rehearsed candidate ever. Even her expressions felt extremely artificial and planned in advance. I don't know how much ordinary people are able to detect that kind of stuff, though. To her credit her preparation stuck, because she doesn't have Alzheimer's like Biden. She had a gameplan and she implemented it reasonably well and the fact that she was cogent and poised 'enough' was a victory given where she and Biden had left the bar heading in.

Trump should debate again if he actually plans to do some basic preparation, otherwise just leave it be. It probably won't even matter, the result will come down to who is able to generate more votes and rig successfully, not who can actually inspire more people to support them.

You aren’t being honest with yourself. In no way, shape , or form can Trump claim any type of victory here. Now, Harris didn’t really “win” anything either, slough I will concede that she was very compelling on abortion, and I do think it will resonate.
As far as executed strategy, Harris by a mile. It was obvious that Harris plan was to simply remind America who Donald Trump really is, a self centered egomaniac who can’t simply look foward. And when he started rambling on about pets being eaten, and babies being murdered after birth, even she couldn’t contain her own excitement at times. What a spectacle.
Ultimately though, I am not sure how much of this really moves the needle, as most people already know who they are voting for. At thi point it will boil down to voter stamina…If the left shows up like they did 2020, Trump will lose. If they don’t, he wins…
And we better hope he wins…

It seems we mostly agree. Kamala had a very low bar to clear and did so with plenty of room to spare, I grant her that. Trump clearly did not prepare at all and thought that he could 'wing it.' With that being said Kamala did not score some dominant victory, it just might feel that way to some because her being competitive at all was a narrative flip compared to what happened at the last debate and what has been going on recently.

Agreed that the election will come down to voter apathy and who is better at turning out their base, and commiting election fraud.

[rileymartin]

Ok now I actually watched it in full. I do think that Trump 'won' at face value, but narrowly. He was the dominant presence in the debate which reflected in his having 25% more speaking time. Those things factor in even on a subconscious level. And the moderator gang-up was so blatant that it may have even worked to Trump's advantage in its unfairness.

However the real story here is the missed opportunities for Trump. On every subject I found myself begging him to talk about x, y or z and to ask specific, obvious questions of Kamala and he never did. He didn't hold her to the fire enough on anything - not on Afghanistan, not on meeting with Zelensky just before the war broke out, not on her shapeshifting and lack of baseline principles, not on inflation, not on the idea that he, not the democrats, weaponizes the justice system or divides based on race, not on taxing unrealized gains. He should have LED with his plan to fund IVF on the women's health questions, instead he saved it meekly for last.

It was painful to watch as a Trump supporter because I just know that a sharper candidate whether it be Vance, Vivek, RFK, etc. could have absolutely torpedoed Kamala. But the sad truth of it is that Trump, after three election cycles, is not an amazing debater. He is just okay. In a group setting he is the GOAT, but 1-on-1 doesn't play to his strengths nearly as well. He doesn't have the ability to rapidly process the lies being stated or recall the necessary facts and numbers in real-time in the way that other leaders can. Watching Bibi Netanyahu's conference with the English press the other week, I was amazed at how sharp he is and the mastery of the facts he has on every subject he is challenged on. I felt similarly when watching Putin's interview with Tucker. Trump is not that kind of leader, he is an energy/confidence guy, not a details guy.

For me Kamala came across as the most coached and rehearsed candidate ever. Even her expressions felt extremely artificial and planned in advance. I don't know how much ordinary people are able to detect that kind of stuff, though. To her credit her preparation stuck, because she doesn't have Alzheimer's like Biden. She had a gameplan and she implemented it reasonably well and the fact that she was cogent and poised 'enough' was a victory given where she and Biden had left the bar heading in.

Trump should debate again if he actually plans to do some basic preparation, otherwise just leave it be. It probably won't even matter, the result will come down to who is able to generate more votes and rig successfully, not who can actually inspire more people to support them.

You aren’t being honest with yourself. In no way, shape , or form can Trump claim any type of victory here. Now, Harris didn’t really “win” anything either, slough I will concede that she was very compelling on abortion, and I do think it will resonate.
As far as executed strategy, Harris by a mile. It was obvious that Harris plan was to simply remind America who Donald Trump really is, a self centered egomaniac who can’t simply look foward. And when he started rambling on about pets being eaten, and babies being murdered after birth, even she couldn’t contain her own excitement at times. What a spectacle.
Ultimately though, I am not sure how much of this really moves the needle, as most people already know who they are voting for. At thi point it will boil down to voter stamina…If the left shows up like they did 2020, Trump will lose. If they don’t, he wins…
And we better hope he wins…

It seems we mostly agree. Kamala had a very low bar to clear and did so with plenty of room to spare, I grant her that. Trump clearly did not prepare at all and thought that he could 'wing it.' With that being said Kamala did not score some dominant victory, it just might feel that way to some because her being competitive at all was a narrative flip compared to what happened at the last debate and what has been going on recently.

Agreed that the election will come down to voter apathy and who is better at turning out their base, and commiting election fraud.

Certainly there is some level in every election. When you filled out your wife’s ballot for her because she doesn’t give a shit, you are committing fraud. I just hope that Republicans still hold g on to the fake election fraud bullshit doesn’t cost them in this election. Trump lost because he got complacent. Hopefully we aren’t seeing the same thing here…

[kobeunderbite]

You aren’t being honest with yourself. In no way, shape , or form can Trump claim any type of victory here. Now, Harris didn’t really “win” anything either, slough I will concede that she was very compelling on abortion, and I do think it will resonate.
As far as executed strategy, Harris by a mile. It was obvious that Harris plan was to simply remind America who Donald Trump really is, a self centered egomaniac who can’t simply look foward. And when he started rambling on about pets being eaten, and babies being murdered after birth, even she couldn’t contain her own excitement at times. What a spectacle.
Ultimately though, I am not sure how much of this really moves the needle, as most people already know who they are voting for. At thi point it will boil down to voter stamina…If the left shows up like they did 2020, Trump will lose. If they don’t, he wins…
And we better hope he wins…

It seems we mostly agree. Kamala had a very low bar to clear and did so with plenty of room to spare, I grant her that. Trump clearly did not prepare at all and thought that he could 'wing it.' With that being said Kamala did not score some dominant victory, it just might feel that way to some because her being competitive at all was a narrative flip compared to what happened at the last debate and what has been going on recently.

Agreed that the election will come down to voter apathy and who is better at turning out their base, and commiting election fraud.

Certainly there is some level in every election. When you filled out your wife’s ballot for her because she doesn’t give a shit, you are committing fraud. I just hope that Republicans still hold g on to the fake election fraud bullshit doesn’t cost them in this election. Trump lost because he got complacent. Hopefully we aren’t seeing the same thing here…

I don't see any evidence that that complacency has been shed. He talks a big game about how Democrats commit fraud, and what he will do to people who are caught committing fraud, but nothing has changed. No paper ballots only, no same day voting requirement, no shedding of the dead and illegals from voter rolls. He needs to score a big victory to overcome the advantage the democrats have that is baked into the cake already. I am optimistic that the horrendous job Kamala and Biden have done combined with Trump being positioned as the 'change' candidate, along with absorbing more and more of RFK's base, will be enough to get it done in the swing states.

[rileymartin]

It seems we mostly agree. Kamala had a very low bar to clear and did so with plenty of room to spare, I grant her that. Trump clearly did not prepare at all and thought that he could 'wing it.' With that being said Kamala did not score some dominant victory, it just might feel that way to some because her being competitive at all was a narrative flip compared to what happened at the last debate and what has been going on recently.

Agreed that the election will come down to voter apathy and who is better at turning out their base, and commiting election fraud.

Certainly there is some level in every election. When you filled out your wife’s ballot for her because she doesn’t give a shit, you are committing fraud. I just hope that Republicans still hold g on to the fake election fraud bullshit doesn’t cost them in this election. Trump lost because he got complacent. Hopefully we aren’t seeing the same thing here…

I don't see any evidence that that complacency has been shed. He talks a big game about how Democrats commit fraud, and what he will do to people who are caught committing fraud, but nothing has changed. No paper ballots only, no same day voting requirement, no shedding of the dead and illegals from voter rolls. He needs to score a big victory to overcome the advantage the democrats have that is baked into the cake already. I am optimistic that the horrendous job Kamala and Biden have done combined with Trump being positioned as the 'change' candidate, along with absorbing more and more of RFK's base, will be enough to get it done in the swing states.

These are all just Republican talking points just like the killing of babies after birth, dogs and cats being eaten blah, blah, blah.
There was no more or no less “election fraud” in 2020 than any other election.
Trump is a sore loser who would rather blow it all up than accept defeat. It’s sad that you have allowed him to hurt our country like this. Fix the problems within your party, and realize why people voted you out.

[kobeunderbite]

There was way more due to the amount of mail-in and early voting which happened as a result of COVID. You would have to be a little bit retarded to not understand this.

[rileymartin]

There was way more due to the amount of mail-in and early voting which happened as a result of COVID. You would have to be a little bit retarded to not understand this.

No accountability…

Only low intelligence buffoons still believe it was rigged…You are in good company though, the My Pillow guy still believes it…

[Alex_Murphy]

Kamala Harris facial expressions while Trump is speaking are downright frightful… she has some witch DNA in her blood no doubt.

[elartman1973]

There was way more due to the amount of mail-in and early voting which happened as a result of COVID. You would have to be a little bit retarded to not understand this.

And thinking they are all democrat votes is a huge lie

[Shill Jackson]

There was way more due to the amount of mail-in and early voting which happened as a result of COVID. You would have to be a little bit retarded to not understand this.

100% zero empirical evidence of this.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
You would have to be a little bit delusional zealot to believe otherwise.

[_Vcsgrizzfan_]

There was way more due to the amount of mail-in and early voting which happened as a result of COVID. You would have to be a little bit retarded to not understand this.

100% zero empirical evidence of this.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
You would have to be a little bit delusional zealot to believe otherwise.

I think there is a ton of evidence that there was much more early voting and mail in voting. Certainly mail in for sure. I don't for a minute buy the massive fraud stuff though. That's grifters grifting.

[lettherebehouse]

There was way more due to the amount of mail-in and early voting which happened as a result of COVID. You would have to be a little bit retarded to not understand this.

100% zero empirical evidence of this.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
You would have to be a little bit delusional zealot to believe otherwise.

“mUh eMpiRiCaL eViDeNcE”

[rileymartin]

Anyone who still believes voter fraud changed the election are fucking morons. Trump has been crying rigged his whole life…Dude didn’t win an Emmy…Rigged, Cruz won Iowa in 2016…Rigged…You idiots keep falling for it.
There are already like 8 states or something like that who only do mail in voting.
Trump is a sore loser, and he sorely lost. Fix the dysfunction within the Republican Party, and stop making excuses.
You guys got your ass beat by Joe fucking Biden, and if you aren’t careful, you are gonna let this Harris broad do you up too…

[kobeunderbite]

Even leaving aside the shit ton of traditional voter fraud, in GA/PA in particular, forged ballots, lack of signature matching, mail ballot hauls and dumps of dead or otherwise unaware "voters," the Hunter laptop suppression alone was enough to swing the entire election given the thin margins. That's without taking collusion with big tech to suppress other "misinfo/disinfo" into consideration. Election fraud is 100% baked into the cake at this point in favor of the uniparty. Any one of Google, YouTube, Facebook or X could sway millions of votes with a finger on the scale, let alone all four simultaneously. Even now the election theft has begun, just run a simple Google search on either candidate or ask yourself why RFK isn't allowed to remove his own name from ballots.

Of course an NPC "well ackshually" guy who worships at the altar of the uniparty like Shill does not and never will understand

[elartman1973]

Jesus fucking christ kobeunderballs is too far gone...
He still believes this bullshit and most ridiculous conspiracy theories

[rileymartin]

Even leaving aside the shit ton of traditional voter fraud, in GA/PA in particular, forged ballots, lack of signature matching, mail ballot hauls and dumps of dead or otherwise unaware "voters," the Hunter laptop suppression alone was enough to swing the entire election given the thin margins. That's without taking collusion with big tech to suppress other "misinfo/disinfo" into consideration. Election fraud is 100% baked into the cake at this point in favor of the uniparty. Any one of Google, YouTube, Facebook or X could sway millions of votes with a finger on the scale, let alone all four simultaneously. Even now the election theft has begun, just run a simple Google search on either candidate or ask yourself why RFK isn't allowed to remove his own name from ballots.

Of course an NPC "well ackshually" guy who worships at the altar of the uniparty like Shill does not and never will understand

...Those are alot of accusations there kiddo...Too bad the only evidence you have is "Trump and the My Pillow guy said so, hardy har har...""

Pathetic.

[lettherebehouse]

The fact that at the end of the day Riley on bended knee has become a Trump supporter and will pencil in that box next to his name come November is so damn delicious

[AlaskaHawks]

The fact that at the end of the day Riley on bended knee has become a Trump supporter and will pencil in that box next to his name come November is so damn delicious

He won't though. He'll write in McCain or some other Rino. He's hopelessly lost.

[kobeunderbite]

[Alex_Murphy]

i want to listen to this debate and i tried i just can’t get thru it. maybe there was something fuckable about hilary clinton in some strange way… she definitely had a better voice than kamala harris. everytime she opens her mouth i hear screech marks on a chalkboard. i just can’t fucking do it.