TWO Prophecies TO THE DAY of Jesus' death and Israel becoming a nation again

[CleveTown™]

11:55 minute mark - 32:00

This proves the year of Jesus' death and Israel becoming a nation again. Watch this and get saved as a result.

Two prophecies that CANNOT be refuted.

I urge any of the most ardent atheists of the board to even ATTEMPT to try to refute, that goes for you stiff necked Jews of the board, too.

[elartman1973]

Dude. Stop falling for stupidity and get a life.
We know you are bored and have nothing to do ...which is not a bragging point. It literally means you could cease to exist and nobody would notice because that's how irrelevent and unimportant you are to the world.

Find a hobby, do something. Learn something. Go back to teaching. Anything but this stupidity and fantasy God shit. Make yourself a useful human instead of a useless human.
Go...

[CleveTown™]

Dude. Stop falling for stupidity and get a life.
We know you are bored and have nothing to do ...which is not a bragging point. It literally means you could cease to exist and nobody would notice because that's how irrelevent and unimportant you are to the world.

Find a hobby, do something. Learn something. Go back to teaching. Anything but this stupidity and fantasy God shit. Make yourself a useful human instead of a useless human.
Go...

I will leave you alone about this if you watch what I posted from the times I set in the OP.

[elartman1973]

Dude. Stop falling for stupidity and get a life.
We know you are bored and have nothing to do ...which is not a bragging point. It literally means you could cease to exist and nobody would notice because that's how irrelevent and unimportant you are to the world.

Find a hobby, do something. Learn something. Go back to teaching. Anything but this stupidity and fantasy God shit. Make yourself a useful human instead of a useless human.
Go...

I will leave you alone about this if you watch what I posted from the times I set in the OP.

I will not watch anything you posted

[Shill Jackson]

[CleveTown™]

Although you two aren't Jews, this applies to you. You lack knowledge. WILLFULLY lack knowledge. I'm trying to prove Christ is Lord but you have your head in the sand. You will kick yourself for eternity for this.


Hosea 4:6
King James Version

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,

[CleveTown™]

this thread should have more comments/vies. You disgusting atheists.

[Alex_Murphy]

this thread should have more comments/vies. You disgusting atheists.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bothered to help bring you back here

[CleveTown™]

this thread should have more comments/vies. You disgusting atheists.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bothered to help bring you back here

These threads are for your own good

[AtiliusRegulus]

Interesting pre mill dispensationalist video. I fully disagree but it’s well done.
I’ve been studying Daniels 70 weeks as of late and the date of commencement of the countdown is definitely Cyrus not artexerxes.
People use artexerse because of the following
1. The believe that the 70 weeks are consecutive and not a commonality of unique years ie years where Israel did not keep the sabbath rest
2. They assume the ptolomey calendar of the kings of Persia which puts Cyrus decree at 539bc.

Lastly, all prophecies which concerns the reconstitution of Israel refers to their return from Babylonian capavity. Scriptures purview of Israel proper ends with the covenant whereby the gospel becomes global.
Daniel’s 70 weeks makes this clear. The city and temple are to be destroyed that that is culmination of the time determined upon thy people.

[CleveTown™]

Interesting pre mill dispensationalist video. I fully disagree but it’s well done.
I’ve been studying Daniels 70 weeks as of late and the date of commencement of the countdown is definitely Cyrus not artexerxes.
People use artexerse because of the following
1. The believe that the 70 weeks are consecutive and not a commonality of unique years ie years where Israel did not keep the sabbath rest
2. They assume the ptolomey calendar of the kings of Persia which puts Cyrus decree at 539bc.

Lastly, all prophecies which concerns the reconstitution of Israel refers to their return from Babylonian capavity. Scriptures purview of Israel proper ends with the covenant whereby the gospel becomes global.
Daniel’s 70 weeks makes this clear. The city and temple are to be destroyed that that is culmination of the time determined upon thy people.

I appreciate your reply brother.

but I throw out the Cyrus's decree right from the get-go because he decreed the rebuilding of God's House (the temple) only. Not the city.
Artaxerxes' decree in 445 (Nehemiah 2:1-8) specifically mentions the rebuilding of Jerusalem's walls which aligns directly with Daniel 9:25's requirement for a decree to "restore and rebuild Jerusalem." this specificity makes it a stronger candidate than cyrus' decree i thinnk, which focused on the temple. and artaxerxes' decree even lines up in prophetic years as outlined in the video I linked. I mean...it fits literally perfectly. to the day.

[AtiliusRegulus]

Interesting pre mill dispensationalist video. I fully disagree but it’s well done.
I’ve been studying Daniels 70 weeks as of late and the date of commencement of the countdown is definitely Cyrus not artexerxes.
People use artexerse because of the following
1. The believe that the 70 weeks are consecutive and not a commonality of unique years ie years where Israel did not keep the sabbath rest
2. They assume the ptolomey calendar of the kings of Persia which puts Cyrus decree at 539bc.

Lastly, all prophecies which concerns the reconstitution of Israel refers to their return from Babylonian capavity. Scriptures purview of Israel proper ends with the covenant whereby the gospel becomes global.
Daniel’s 70 weeks makes this clear. The city and temple are to be destroyed that that is culmination of the time determined upon thy people.

I appreciate your reply brother.

but I throw out the Cyrus's decree right from the get-go because he decreed the rebuilding of God's House (the temple) only. Not the city.
Artaxerxes' decree in 445 (Nehemiah 2:1-8) specifically mentions the rebuilding of Jerusalem's walls which aligns directly with Daniel 9:25's requirement for a decree to "restore and rebuild Jerusalem." this specificity makes it a stronger candidate than cyrus' decree i thinnk, which focused on the temple. and artaxerxes' decree even lines up in prophetic years as outlined in the video I linked. I mean...it fits literally perfectly. to the day.

Actually false. The Cyrus decree as recorded in Ezra and chronicles are redacted versions meaning they are not comprehensive of the whole decree. They simply focused on the temple.
The fuller decree mentions the rebuilding of the city and its environs.
Isaiah predicted comprehensive scope of the decree with such “Who says if Cyrus “He is my shepherd, and he shall fulfill my purpose saying if Jerusalem “she shall be built and of the temple, “your foundation shall be laid”. Isaiah 44:26-28

Wrapping this up
Daniel says “from the going forth of “the” decree, not from the going forth of “a” decree.
Isaiah, Jeremiah, chronicles etc all made the prophesy that Cyrus will be the one issuing the decree.

With Cyrus as the pivot, there are only 2 options to make the 70 weeks align with Christ in ad 30
1. The ptolomey timeline for which the kings of Persia is given is wrong, (the ptolomey timeline was actually devised in the 2nd century. My research yielded to me that historians do not have a consensus on chronology from the time of Persia, Babylon and Egypt)

2. The 490 years are not consecutive years but years of commonality. One author who holds the ptolomey timeline says that the 490 years are only years for which the land sabbath was not kept ie.which puts it as 12 sabbath years or 84 years after the captivity when the land did not get the sabbath rest.

I’m actually partial to number 2.

[ElJorge]

CHRISTIAN FIIIIIGHT!!!!

[AtiliusRegulus]

CHRISTIAN FIIIIIGHT!!!!

More of a discussion.

[CleveTown™]

Interesting pre mill dispensationalist video. I fully disagree but it’s well done.
I’ve been studying Daniels 70 weeks as of late and the date of commencement of the countdown is definitely Cyrus not artexerxes.
People use artexerse because of the following
1. The believe that the 70 weeks are consecutive and not a commonality of unique years ie years where Israel did not keep the sabbath rest
2. They assume the ptolomey calendar of the kings of Persia which puts Cyrus decree at 539bc.

Lastly, all prophecies which concerns the reconstitution of Israel refers to their return from Babylonian capavity. Scriptures purview of Israel proper ends with the covenant whereby the gospel becomes global.
Daniel’s 70 weeks makes this clear. The city and temple are to be destroyed that that is culmination of the time determined upon thy people.

I appreciate your reply brother.

but I throw out the Cyrus's decree right from the get-go because he decreed the rebuilding of God's House (the temple) only. Not the city.
Artaxerxes' decree in 445 (Nehemiah 2:1-8) specifically mentions the rebuilding of Jerusalem's walls which aligns directly with Daniel 9:25's requirement for a decree to "restore and rebuild Jerusalem." this specificity makes it a stronger candidate than cyrus' decree i thinnk, which focused on the temple. and artaxerxes' decree even lines up in prophetic years as outlined in the video I linked. I mean...it fits literally perfectly. to the day.

Actually false. The Cyrus decree as recorded in Ezra and chronicles are redacted versions meaning they are not comprehensive of the whole decree. They simply focused on the temple.
The fuller decree mentions the rebuilding of the city and its environs.
Isaiah predicted comprehensive scope of the decree with such “Who says if Cyrus “He is my shepherd, and he shall fulfill my purpose saying if Jerusalem “she shall be built and of the temple, “your foundation shall be laid”. Isaiah 44:26-28

Wrapping this up
Daniel says “from the going forth of “the” decree, not from the going forth of “a” decree.
Isaiah, Jeremiah, chronicles etc all made the prophesy that Cyrus will be the one issuing the decree.

With Cyrus as the pivot, there are only 2 options to make the 70 weeks align with Christ in ad 30
1. The ptolomey timeline for which the kings of Persia is given is wrong, (the ptolomey timeline was actually devised in the 2nd century. My research yielded to me that historians do not have a consensus on chronology from the time of Persia, Babylon and Egypt)

2. The 490 years are not consecutive years but years of commonality. One author who holds the ptolomey timeline says that the 490 years are only years for which the land sabbath was not kept ie.which puts it as 12 sabbath years or 84 years after the captivity when the land did not get the sabbath rest.

I’m actually partial to number 2.

Yeah it's all a matter of interpretation. Like I've said before, I can't wait to go to Heaven to learn this stuff without the veil, hopefully from the men who wrote it or better yet, Jesus Himself.

[AtiliusRegulus]

Cleve check out the chronologies of Martin Anstey and the one by Dr Frederic Kenyon.
I was dumbfounded when I realized that there was no consensus among historians for the chronology of antiquity from the Persian empire backwards.
The Egyptian chronology is even more bizarre and without a consensus.
The only work with a thorough chronology is the Bible. Whether this chronology is accepted or not is another issue.

[CleveTown™]

CHRISTIAN FIIIIIGHT!!!!

we don't fight. That's not how professing Christians should handle Biblical theology/eschatology.

I'm a dispensationalist who believes in distinct "ages" and he's a partial preterist, but we can agree on one thing at least, and that is Christ is Lord and He is the only way to salvation and to the Father.

[CleveTown™]

Cleve check out the chronologies of Martin Anstey and the one by Dr Frederic Kenyon.
I was dumbfounded when I realized that there was no consensus among historians for the chronology of antiquity from the Persian empire backwards.
The Egyptian chronology is even more bizarre and without a consensus.
The only work with a thorough chronology is the Bible. Whether this chronology is accepted or not is another issue.

thanks brother, I'll check it out, thanks!

[CleveTown™]

Here LNS this might help you.

I'm 100% pre-mill and like 75% pre-trib (pre-millenialism/pre-trib in the chart below). this means I believe Jesus comes to earth (2nd coming) before the millennium and sets up His earthly kingdom on earth after the tribulation for 1,000 years.

I'm also 75% pre-trib, which means I believe in a rapture "pre'' or before the coming 7 year tribulation. I have studied all the rapture stances, and whether it be pre/mid/pre-wrath or post, they are all convincing in their own way.

Pre-trib clicks with me a bit more, but I won't bet on it.

[LeBronMonsterDunk]

"Present"

So precise and accurate!