Sean Strickland humiliates Navy Seal in the octagon

[Bush4Ever.]

It depends on if the boxer had years of wrestling under his belt. Are we gonna pretend Francis didn’t originally try to become a pro boxer?

He literally (cleanly) lost a fight in MMA that had nothing but striking (against Derrick Lewis), and then nearly beat the (then) current HW king in a specialized sport a little bit later. The boxing KING barely beat him, but the MMA guy beat him cleanly.

The simple fact that someone who isn't even clearly the best MMA striker could waltz over and smack the King in the mouth with barely a response invalidates boxing as a serious sport. If you are a specialized sport, you should BRUTALIZE novices literally 100 percent of time, minus acts of God and injury, etc...

Try that with wrestling. Or any specialized sport. Imagine Steph Curry suddenly becoming the best archer in the world, or Canelo becoming the best at folkstyle and winning a medal at the 2028 games after winning a boxing match.

lol

[ElJorge]

It depends on if the boxer had years of wrestling under his belt. Are we gonna pretend Francis didn’t originally try to become a pro boxer?

The boxing KING barely beat him

He aLmosT bEaT FuRy

Look… I said in another post that I like and respect Francis and wanted him to win. But a flash knockdown against a fat unmotivated Fury looking to cash a big check isn’t as impressive as you think. I will say this though… Fury’s tactics of leaning on his opponents and wearing them out didn’t work against a guy equal in weight who is used to wrestling and working in the clinch. I didn’t care about mma vs boxing when those two fought, I like Ngganou and was hoping he’d shut Fury’s big fat mouth, but sadly it wasn’t meant to be. But I will say… some mma fans started to get mouthy after that fight, so even though it was painful to watch I’m glad AJ put an end to it all by nearly decapitating Francis.

[Bush4Ever.]

He aLmosT bEaT FuRy

Yes, that would be the point.

I do think Fury won the boxing match (not fight, match) +1, but getting 98 percent of the way to victory as a complete novice against the absolute top dog permanently humiliated boxing.

The ONLY way for boxing to gain respect now as a serious martial art is for a top-tier boxer to go over to Olympic wrestling and nearly win a gold medal.

Hell, I'll settle for a top-tier boxer going to ADCC and winning any medal at all.

Until then, boxing is one of the least of the specialized martial arts. It's in the class with Karate, TKD, Stick Fighting, etc...not wrestling/bjj/MT, etc...

[ElJorge]

He aLmosT bEaT FuRy

The ONLY way for boxing to gain respect now as a serious martial art is for a top-tier boxer to go over to Olympic wrestling and nearly win a gold medal.

Gain respect from whom?

None of those other combat styles make any money except for boxing. Wtf does ADCC even pay? A trophy and some buy-one-get-one-free coupons for IHOP?

Boxing will always be the king dick combat sport.

[Bush4Ever.]

Gain respect from whom?

None of those other combat styles make any money except for boxing. Wtf does ADCC even pay? A trophy and some buy-one-get-one-free coupons for IHOP?

Boxing will always be the king dick combat sport.

I like how you've gone from the legitimacy of the art to bragging about daddy's money.

Good one though. Absolutely no one noticed the complete 180.

lol

[ElJorge]

Gain respect from whom?

None of those other combat styles make any money except for boxing. Wtf does ADCC even pay? A trophy and some buy-one-get-one-free coupons for IHOP?

Boxing will always be the king dick combat sport.

I like how you've gone from the legitimacy of the art to bragging about daddy's money.

Good one though. Absolutely no one noticed the complete 180.

lol

What 180? I said Francis did well and caught lightening in a bottle. He then got murdered horribly. AJ folded the poor guy up the same way Francis folded Stipe, legs bent back similarly and everything. I’d say AJ did that to avenge Stipe but odds are he doesn’t even know who he is.

YOU started autisming out over gold medals and the sports honor and all that weirdo Jiri shit. Most people recognize combat sports for what it is: prize fighting.

[Bush4Ever.]

What 180?

Going from boxing as a legit combat sport to "boxers (you meant the upper crust of boxers) make a lot of money", like that has any straight line connection to fighting.

There is a lot of MONEY in boxing. Just no LEGITIMACY as a REAL combat sport.

That's the bottom line.

[ElJorge]

What 180?

Going from boxing as a legit combat sport to "boxers (you meant the upper crust of boxers) make a lot of money", like that has any straight line connection to fighting.

There is a lot of MONEY in boxing. Just no LEGITIMACY as a REAL combat sport.

That's the bottom line.

Stop. Making baseless claims is shit you and tdk do when you’re trying to… well whatever it is you’re trying to do. Boxing is the premier combat sport in the world. Literally the best way to measure that is by revenue and it’s not particularly close. I know mma fans like to pretend that the way of bushido or some faggy shit is what matters, and that’s fine and dandy I guess. Or my favorite… “iN a ReaL fiGhT”

MMA fans have the worst little brother energy I swear.

[Bush4Ever.]

Boxing is the premier combat sport in the world. Literally the best way to measure that is by revenue and it’s not particularly close.

Now switching from legitimacy to "premier" combat sport (just another way to say durrrr more money).

Good, good. Another nice pivot.

Keep it going.

ANYTHING to avoid the stark reality that it's a second or maybe third-tier combat sport on the ground, in the reality of actual fighting.

Boxing fans are like boomers...thinking their relative wealth is a function of them instead of very obvious environmental factors (like being born into paradise for boomers or a literal empty canvas of prize fighting with a 100 year head start for boxing).

lmao!

[ElJorge]

actUaL FighTiNg



When is the last time you’ve even been in a “real fight”?

[PhutureDynasty]

The 1% of me that thought ElJorge may not have been LNS is now gone.

They always come back.

[ElJorge]

Lol

[Bush4Ever.]

actUaL FighTiNg

And now the claim that boxing and MMA are the same in realness because neither is exactly like a real fight to the nth degree.

As if going 10 percent up the ladder is equivalent to going 80 percent up the ladder, because MMA doesn't involve group situations and weapons, tanks, nuclear bombs, etc...

That's basically the "HB Toss Left" play of boxing apologists.

Ignoring the obvious point MMA has to be more real than boxing because it's literally boxing+[a bunch of other stuff]. No one expects boxing fans to think rationally (low IQs and poor self-regulation ability, which is why most of them end up doing time).

[ElJorge]

So much cope.

From “honor of the sport” to “in a real fight”. You checked all the little dick energy boxes, Bush.

[Bush4Ever.]

So much cope.

From “honor of the sport” to “in a real fight”. You checked all the little dick energy boxes, Bush.

Don't be angry. Don't run. We like you here on this board.

Explain to me how MMA is less of a "real fight" sport than boxing (your claim), when MMA is literally boxing + other combat things.

I'll be MORE than happy for you to defend your position.

It's obviously wrong but I'm sincerely interested in the mental twisty-turns you'll do to defend it.

[ElJorge]

You need me to explain how a real fight works, Bush? That kinda cements my belief that you’ve never been in one.

[Bush4Ever.]

Here is a small bit of wisdom for boxing fans to understand:

Martial arts is about using your body to impose your will on other people, minus augmentations.

That's literally it. The better you can do that (across more situations), the better you are at martial arts.

Yes, a 90 lb woman can beat any martial artist if she has a gun, warning, and the will to take life. Weapons/situational variance (like having 20 people attack a single person) can override ALL martial arts. But that's literally not relevant at all to the discussion.

Boxers are VERY upset at MMA, because it threatens their masculinity and ego. In a world without challenge, they could plausibly claim "the baddest thing in the world"...but now they actually have to show up and man up.

It's no different than the guy who brags to the bros about how he gets 9s and 10s all the time getting called out in real time at the bar or club..."okay big mouth...SHOW us what you got".

Panic sets in. FEAR. Resentment that regular people with common sense are poking holes in your delusion bubble. Just rank narcissism and total lack of humility. Shameful.

[ElJorge]

Holy fuck no… I’ll tell you what I told Grizz… I’m not reading more than a sentence or two. Fix that mess and try again. Jesus…

[Bush4Ever.]

Boxing fan refusing to learn something by reading (can he read? about 40 percent of boxing fans can't read, according to studies).

It's a day of the week that ends in y.

[wailuaFC]

Have to side with bush. A buck knife is better for its designed purpose, but a leatherman is way more useful.