Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
I love steroids in sports. Only adds to his GOATness.
Should have taken more tbh
Should have taken more tbh
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
I was fairly convinced Karl Malone took PEDs.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
MJ also hooked up Pippen with his roid dealer.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
Gilbert talks too much. He’s gonna get a defamation suit very soon.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
The same Arenas who said the NBA would be better if they get rid of all the foreign players?
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
So Jordan's production got worse in the 90's (when he supposedly used steroids) vs. the 80's, when he was clean??
Is that the argument here?
80's: 32.8 / 6.3 / 6.0 / 2.8 / 1.1 / .516%
90's: 30.3 / 6.2 / 4.9 / 2.2 / 0.7 / .497%
Oooookie Dokie then.
Is that the argument here?
80's: 32.8 / 6.3 / 6.0 / 2.8 / 1.1 / .516%
90's: 30.3 / 6.2 / 4.9 / 2.2 / 0.7 / .497%
Oooookie Dokie then.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
His production got worse because he lost some of his explosiveness to the hoop, which comes with age. He had to rely more on the mid-range game that he developed and less on his ability to take it to the rim. I was a huge Jordan fan at the time and remember very vividly that he couldn't get to the rim nearly as easily as he could earlier in his career.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:30 pm So Jordan's production got worse in the 90's (when he supposedly used steroids) vs. the 80's, when he was clean??
Is that the argument here?
80's: 32.8 / 6.3 / 6.0 / 2.8 / 1.1 / .516%
90's: 30.3 / 6.2 / 4.9 / 2.2 / 0.7 / .497%
Oooookie Dokie then.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
That's true for the 97 and 98 seasons (and the 13 games he played in 95, when he didn't have his conditioning); however from 90 through the 96 season Jordan didn't lose anything on his first-step explosiveness, quickness or hops._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:41 pmHis production got worse because he lost some of his explosiveness to the hoop, which comes with age. He had to rely more on the mid-range game that he developed and less on his ability to take it to the rim. I was a huge Jordan fan at the time and remember very vividly that he couldn't get to the rim nearly as easily as he could earlier in his career.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:30 pm So Jordan's production got worse in the 90's (when he supposedly used steroids) vs. the 80's, when he was clean??
Is that the argument here?
80's: 32.8 / 6.3 / 6.0 / 2.8 / 1.1 / .516%
90's: 30.3 / 6.2 / 4.9 / 2.2 / 0.7 / .497%
Oooookie Dokie then.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
Yes he did. Unquestionably. You live in make believe land. First 3 peat Jordan, it was barely perceptible, but it was very obvious for all of second 3 peat Jordan.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:53 pmThat's true for the 97 and 98 seasons (and the 13 games he played in 95, when he didn't have his conditioning); however from 90 through the 96 season Jordan didn't lose anything on his first-step explosiveness, quickness or hops._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:41 pmHis production got worse because he lost some of his explosiveness to the hoop, which comes with age. He had to rely more on the mid-range game that he developed and less on his ability to take it to the rim. I was a huge Jordan fan at the time and remember very vividly that he couldn't get to the rim nearly as easily as he could earlier in his career.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:30 pm So Jordan's production got worse in the 90's (when he supposedly used steroids) vs. the 80's, when he was clean??
Is that the argument here?
80's: 32.8 / 6.3 / 6.0 / 2.8 / 1.1 / .516%
90's: 30.3 / 6.2 / 4.9 / 2.2 / 0.7 / .497%
Oooookie Dokie then.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
You live in Canada, meatball... so you watched MJ, what, a few times a year._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:56 pmYes he did. Unquestionably. You live in make believe land. First 3 peat Jordan, it was barely perceptible, but it was very obvious for all of second 3 peat Jordan.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:53 pmThat's true for the 97 and 98 seasons (and the 13 games he played in 95, when he didn't have his conditioning); however from 90 through the 96 season Jordan didn't lose anything on his first-step explosiveness, quickness or hops._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:41 pm
His production got worse because he lost some of his explosiveness to the hoop, which comes with age. He had to rely more on the mid-range game that he developed and less on his ability to take it to the rim. I was a huge Jordan fan at the time and remember very vividly that he couldn't get to the rim nearly as easily as he could earlier in his career.
I watched just about every single game the man played, and you're wrong. Jordan's explosiveness / hops first became noticeable during the 1996-97 season. Now sit down and learn something, meatball:
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
The vast majority of his games were on WGN, and tons of others were on national broadcasts. I had all of those on cable here and was a much bigger hoops fan than you were. I don't wear rose colored glasses like you can't take off the bridge of your nose.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:28 pmYou live in Canada, meatball... so you watched MJ, what, a few times a year._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:56 pmYes he did. Unquestionably. You live in make believe land. First 3 peat Jordan, it was barely perceptible, but it was very obvious for all of second 3 peat Jordan.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:53 pm
That's true for the 97 and 98 seasons (and the 13 games he played in 95, when he didn't have his conditioning); however from 90 through the 96 season Jordan didn't lose anything on his first-step explosiveness, quickness or hops.
I watched just about every single game the man played, and you're wrong. Jordan's explosiveness / hops first became noticeable during the 1996-97 season. Now sit down and learn something, meatball:
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
Never the less, there's a 9 minute video (and MANY others as well) showing proof that Jordan's explosiveness and hops were STILL in prime form during the 95-96 season. As noted it wasn't until the following season when he started to lose it a bit, to where it became noticeable anyway._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:37 pmThe vast majority of his games were on WGN, and tons of others were on national broadcasts. I had all of those on cable here and was a much bigger hoops fan than you were. I don't wear rose colored glasses like you can't take off the bridge of your nose.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:28 pmYou live in Canada, meatball... so you watched MJ, what, a few times a year._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 12:56 pm
Yes he did. Unquestionably. You live in make believe land. First 3 peat Jordan, it was barely perceptible, but it was very obvious for all of second 3 peat Jordan.
I watched just about every single game the man played, and you're wrong. Jordan's explosiveness / hops first became noticeable during the 1996-97 season. Now sit down and learn something, meatball:
In short: TDK is right, as usual.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
No TDK has confirmation bias, as usual.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:41 pmNever the less, there's a 9 minute video (and MANY others as well) showing proof that Jordan's explosiveness and hops were STILL in prime form during the 95-96 season. As noted it wasn't until the following season when he started to lose it a bit, to where it became noticeable anyway._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:37 pmThe vast majority of his games were on WGN, and tons of others were on national broadcasts. I had all of those on cable here and was a much bigger hoops fan than you were. I don't wear rose colored glasses like you can't take off the bridge of your nose.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:28 pm
You live in Canada, meatball... so you watched MJ, what, a few times a year.
I watched just about every single game the man played, and you're wrong. Jordan's explosiveness / hops first became noticeable during the 1996-97 season. Now sit down and learn something, meatball:
In short: TDK is right, as usual.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
Right because some guy relying on his memory from 30+ years ago is more reliable than the actual footage itself._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:43 pmNo TDK has confirmation bias, as usual.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:41 pmNever the less, there's a 9 minute video (and MANY others as well) showing proof that Jordan's explosiveness and hops were STILL in prime form during the 95-96 season. As noted it wasn't until the following season when he started to lose it a bit, to where it became noticeable anyway._Vcsgrizzfan_ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:37 pm
The vast majority of his games were on WGN, and tons of others were on national broadcasts. I had all of those on cable here and was a much bigger hoops fan than you were. I don't wear rose colored glasses like you can't take off the bridge of your nose.
In short: TDK is right, as usual.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
Someone's performing dropping doesn't mean they weren't on PEDs lol
You have no idea what the counterfactual is in this case.
If he averaged 30/6/5/50% on PEDs, it could have easily been the case (for example) he would average 26/5/4/47% without PEDs.
So PEDs *limited* his drop, but didn't reverse it. Just like you can shove all the PEDs in the world into an 80 year old, and he's going to be worse than any player in the league...he'll just be better than he would have been otherwise.
This is a shocking revelation from someone who played in the league (and thus can't be wrong, because NBA players have huge IQs and don't come into the league through a genetic filter of <1 percent rarity).
You have no idea what the counterfactual is in this case.
If he averaged 30/6/5/50% on PEDs, it could have easily been the case (for example) he would average 26/5/4/47% without PEDs.
So PEDs *limited* his drop, but didn't reverse it. Just like you can shove all the PEDs in the world into an 80 year old, and he's going to be worse than any player in the league...he'll just be better than he would have been otherwise.
This is a shocking revelation from someone who played in the league (and thus can't be wrong, because NBA players have huge IQs and don't come into the league through a genetic filter of <1 percent rarity).
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
Of course he was on PEDs
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Re: Gilbert Arenas says MJ was on steroids in the ‘90s
Arenas has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's triggered. Jealous and has no credibility
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