MLB Off-Season & Hot Stove Discussion

[Odogg]

Ok that must be how they are getting to the annual $46m luxury tax salary

[kobeunderbite]

They can afford Glasnow, Yamamoto and Hader

[PhutureDynasty]

The fact that they pulled this contract chicanery off and are able to also afford other players too is a bit insane.

I say that as a person who is equal parts pissed because I don't like LAD and equal parts jealousy because I'm mad that we did not do this any of our previous FA signings.

I wonder if the MLB bans this type of money maneuvering going forward; with the Ohtani contract and others already completed being grandfathered in as exempt from said rule.

[Titan18]

The fact that they pulled this contract chicanery off and are able to also afford other players too is a bit insane.

I say that as a person who is equal parts pissed because I don't like LAD and equal parts jealousy because I'm mad that we did not do this any of our previous FA signings.

I wonder if the MLB bans this type of money maneuvering going forward; with the Ohtani contract and others already completed being grandfathered in as exempt from said rule.

They will once Cohen does it with Soto next winter.

[kobeunderbite]

The fact that they pulled this contract chicanery off and are able to also afford other players too is a bit insane.

I say that as a person who is equal parts pissed because I don't like LAD and equal parts jealousy because I'm mad that we did not do this any of our previous FA signings.

I wonder if the MLB bans this type of money maneuvering going forward; with the Ohtani contract and others already completed being grandfathered in as exempt from said rule.

They will once Cohen does it with Soto next winter.

I hope he does it now with Yamamoto

[PhutureDynasty]

The fact that they pulled this contract chicanery off and are able to also afford other players too is a bit insane.

I say that as a person who is equal parts pissed because I don't like LAD and equal parts jealousy because I'm mad that we did not do this any of our previous FA signings.

I wonder if the MLB bans this type of money maneuvering going forward; with the Ohtani contract and others already completed being grandfathered in as exempt from said rule.

They will once Cohen does it with Soto next winter.

Yea there's no chance every team isn't trying to do this with every big FA moving forward. Whether the player wants to do it is another question.

It's irresponsible not to try though given it seems like a huge advantage.

Although I must admit I don't entirely understand how it works for the Dodgers cap space after Ohtani's 10 years ends with them.

[Titan18]

The fact that they pulled this contract chicanery off and are able to also afford other players too is a bit insane.

I say that as a person who is equal parts pissed because I don't like LAD and equal parts jealousy because I'm mad that we did not do this any of our previous FA signings.

I wonder if the MLB bans this type of money maneuvering going forward; with the Ohtani contract and others already completed being grandfathered in as exempt from said rule.

They will once Cohen does it with Soto next winter.

Yea there's no chance every team isn't trying to do this with every big FA moving forward. Whether the player wants to do it is another question.

It's irresponsible not to try though given it seems like a huge advantage.

Although I must admit I don't entirely understand how it works for the Dodgers cap space after Ohtani's 10 years ends with them.

There is 0 luxury tax cap hit for the dodgers after the 10 years is up.

[Odogg]

They will once Cohen does it with Soto next winter.

Yea there's no chance every team isn't trying to do this with every big FA moving forward. Whether the player wants to do it is another question.

It's irresponsible not to try though given it seems like a huge advantage.

Although I must admit I don't entirely understand how it works for the Dodgers cap space after Ohtani's 10 years ends with them.

There is 0 luxury tax cap hit for the dodgers after the 10 years is up.

Really? I was thinking it might be $24m per year roughly during those next ten years. 70m less the 46m hit during the first ten years. It seems like it would need to add up to the full 700m once all done, but I am just guessing

[Shill Jackson]

The fact that they pulled this contract chicanery off and are able to also afford other players too is a bit insane.

I say that as a person who is equal parts pissed because I don't like LAD and equal parts jealousy because I'm mad that we did not do this any of our previous FA signings.

I wonder if the MLB bans this type of money maneuvering going forward; with the Ohtani contract and others already completed being grandfathered in as exempt from said rule.

They will once Cohen does it with Soto next winter.

Yea there's no chance every team isn't trying to do this with every big FA moving forward. Whether the player wants to do it is another question.

It's irresponsible not to try though given it seems like a huge advantage.

Although I must admit I don't entirely understand how it works for the Dodgers cap space after Ohtani's 10 years ends with them.

I think it’s bigger than baseball. Every team, in every capped sport will be trying this.

PS -
Ohtani can opt out if Walter, Friedman exit

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/391 ... edman-exit

[PhutureDynasty]

They will once Cohen does it with Soto next winter.

Yea there's no chance every team isn't trying to do this with every big FA moving forward. Whether the player wants to do it is another question.

It's irresponsible not to try though given it seems like a huge advantage.

Although I must admit I don't entirely understand how it works for the Dodgers cap space after Ohtani's 10 years ends with them.

I think it’s bigger than baseball. Every team, in every capped sport will be trying this.

PS -
Ohtani can opt out if Walter, Friedman exit

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/391 ... edman-exit

That's actually a great point if true...

I expect most leagues to be proactive in changing the lettering of their contract rules to disallow this.

[kobeunderbite]

Why didn't he just sign for 10/600 straight up. He would have come out much farther ahead even with the CA tax if he were to invest the money even conservatively. How big of a deal is it to save the Dodgers $14m per year against their cap? By the next CBA the tax thresholds will all move up again anyways.

[Titan18]

One thing that doesn’t make sense also is why deferred money lowers the today market value of a contract for luxury tax purposes but general long term contracts don’t.

Dodgers are getting luxury tax relief because the 68 million they are paying Ohtani beyond 2034 is worth less than today. Yet the 26 million the Phillies are paying Harper in 2031 is worth less than it is today but there is no adjustment.

[Titan18]

Any day now…

[Odogg]

Any day now…

[Odogg]

Dodgers pick up Glasnow from the Rays for Pepiot. Better stay healthy.

[kobeunderbite]

@house can you comprehend this level of betrayal? What happened to this guy?

[Odogg]

Any day now…

He would have signed with the Dodgers six years ago if they had the DH in the NL then. Angels were lucky. Oops quoted the wrong post.

[vcsgrizzfan]

They will once Cohen does it with Soto next winter.

Yea there's no chance every team isn't trying to do this with every big FA moving forward. Whether the player wants to do it is another question.

It's irresponsible not to try though given it seems like a huge advantage.

Although I must admit I don't entirely understand how it works for the Dodgers cap space after Ohtani's 10 years ends with them.

There is 0 luxury tax cap hit for the dodgers after the 10 years is up.

That seems ridiculous. Quite the massive loophole.

[Odogg]

Yea there's no chance every team isn't trying to do this with every big FA moving forward. Whether the player wants to do it is another question.

It's irresponsible not to try though given it seems like a huge advantage.

Although I must admit I don't entirely understand how it works for the Dodgers cap space after Ohtani's 10 years ends with them.

There is 0 luxury tax cap hit for the dodgers after the 10 years is up.

That seems ridiculous. Quite the massive loophole.

I dont think thats correct what Titan said.

[Titan18]

There is 0 luxury tax cap hit for the dodgers after the 10 years is up.

That seems ridiculous. Quite the massive loophole.

I dont think thats correct what Titan said.

It is correct. Deferments aren’t new. It’s just that no player or team went to the extreme that the Dodgers and Ohtani did. Luxury tax is only for the duration of the contract. Hence why other deferments, like max scherzer arent being counted towards the luxury tax for the nationals despite him being currently paid 15 million a year from them.

Here is some more info in this article

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/new ... c59adc08c9