CleveTown™ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:53 pm
Ati one thing holding me back from preterism or even partial preterism is if the millennial kingdom already occurred during the medieval ages, where was the rapture and great tribulation? Where were all the bowl/trumpet/seal plagues, mark of the beast, third temple, etc?
1. The tribulation is simply the Roman Jewish war and the Neronic persecution which occurred from 64Ad-70ad. This was proven when Jesus said this generation, and the Roman Jewish war started in 66ad and the Neronic persecution started around 65ad due to the burning of Rome.
2. The rapture is not a pretribulaton. It occurs in the last day with the resurrection and final judgment. This is called the unity of the eschatological complex
3. The millennium/ new covenant/ kingdom of heaven is nothing more than the reign of the Messiah who is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven after His resurrection . This is corroborated in the night vision of Daniel where he saw the Son of Man on clouds coming to the Ancient of Days and receiving all the kingdoms and reigning. This occurs in heaven not on earth. The parallel passage in the Nt is in
1 Corinthians 15 “
20But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “Godc has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.”
Ok, thanks for clarifying. Of course I could and would go back and forth with you about this because I love eschatology, but I know in the end we both wouldn't change our minds and it would be a huge, colossal waste of time.
Promise me though during Christ's rule for 1,000 years when we come back with him to rule (before the new heaven and new earth) you will look me up and say I was right lol. Ill do the same if you're right.
CleveTown™ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:53 pm
Ati one thing holding me back from preterism or even partial preterism is if the millennial kingdom already occurred during the medieval ages, where was the rapture and great tribulation? Where were all the bowl/trumpet/seal plagues, mark of the beast, third temple, etc?
1. The tribulation is simply the Roman Jewish war and the Neronic persecution which occurred from 64Ad-70ad. This was proven when Jesus said this generation, and the Roman Jewish war started in 66ad and the Neronic persecution started around 65ad due to the burning of Rome.
2. The rapture is not a pretribulaton. It occurs in the last day with the resurrection and final judgment. This is called the unity of the eschatological complex
3. The millennium/ new covenant/ kingdom of heaven is nothing more than the reign of the Messiah who is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven after His resurrection . This is corroborated in the night vision of Daniel where he saw the Son of Man on clouds coming to the Ancient of Days and receiving all the kingdoms and reigning. This occurs in heaven not on earth. The parallel passage in the Nt is in
1 Corinthians 15 “
20But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “Godc has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.”
Ok, thanks for clarifying. Of course I could and would go back and forth with you about this because I love eschatology, but I know in the end we both wouldn't change our minds and it would be a huge, colossal waste of time.
Promise me though during Christ's rule for 1,000 years when we come back with him to rule (before the new heaven and new earth) you will look me up and say I was right lol. Ill do the same if you're right.
I will give you this brother. Even though you are a dispensationalist, you are not a Jew bootlicker and sycophant like American evangelicals. This allows you to not be taken advantage of by the neocons in America and Israel
Check the method from Bedrock, 'cause I rock your head to bed
1. The tribulation is simply the Roman Jewish war and the Neronic persecution which occurred from 64Ad-70ad. This was proven when Jesus said this generation, and the Roman Jewish war started in 66ad and the Neronic persecution started around 65ad due to the burning of Rome.
2. The rapture is not a pretribulaton. It occurs in the last day with the resurrection and final judgment. This is called the unity of the eschatological complex
3. The millennium/ new covenant/ kingdom of heaven is nothing more than the reign of the Messiah who is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven after His resurrection . This is corroborated in the night vision of Daniel where he saw the Son of Man on clouds coming to the Ancient of Days and receiving all the kingdoms and reigning. This occurs in heaven not on earth. The parallel passage in the Nt is in
1 Corinthians 15 “
20But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “Godc has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.”
Ok, thanks for clarifying. Of course I could and would go back and forth with you about this because I love eschatology, but I know in the end we both wouldn't change our minds and it would be a huge, colossal waste of time.
Promise me though during Christ's rule for 1,000 years when we come back with him to rule (before the new heaven and new earth) you will look me up and say I was right lol. Ill do the same if you're right.
I will give you this brother. Even though you are a dispensationalist, you are not a Jew bootlicker and sycophant like American evangelicals. This allows you to not be taken advantage of by the neocons in America and Israel
AtiliusRegulus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:59 am
Seriously dude you’re a breath of fresh air. Some pastors in America are openly calling for the genocide of Palestinians
I used to be like that. But after years of seeing evidence of just how much they want white genocide and how much they actually hate us (and Christians) there was no point in blindly loving them anymore.
I have no ill will towards the people of Israel, but the elite Jews or like the ones in the video below who want us dead or replaced can go to hottest hell.
CleveTown™ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:53 pm
Ati one thing holding me back from preterism or even partial preterism is if the millennial kingdom already occurred during the medieval ages, where was the rapture and great tribulation? Where were all the bowl/trumpet/seal plagues, mark of the beast, third temple, etc?
1. The tribulation is simply the Roman Jewish war and the Neronic persecution which occurred from 64Ad-70ad. This was proven when Jesus said this generation, and the Roman Jewish war started in 66ad and the Neronic persecution started around 65ad due to the burning of Rome.
2. The rapture is not a pretribulaton. It occurs in the last day with the resurrection and final judgment. This is called the unity of the eschatological complex
3. The millennium/ new covenant/ kingdom of heaven is nothing more than the reign of the Messiah who is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven after His resurrection . This is corroborated in the night vision of Daniel where he saw the Son of Man on clouds coming to the Ancient of Days and receiving all the kingdoms and reigning. This occurs in heaven not on earth. The parallel passage in the Nt is in
1 Corinthians 15 “
20But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “Godc has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.”
Ok, thanks for clarifying. Of course I could and would go back and forth with you about this because I love eschatology, but I know in the end we both wouldn't change our minds and it would be a huge, colossal waste of time.
Promise me though during Christ's rule for 1,000 years when we come back with him to rule (before the new heaven and new earth) you will look me up and say I was right lol. Ill do the same if you're right.
"Educated people make the world a better place, they mercilessly attack misery and cruelty, and eventually they win."
--Henry Rollins
Public relations tide has already turned against Israel. Genociding and displacing 1.3 million Palestinians are causing Jews to be hated the world over. Foreign governments are trying hard to keep up the charade of support.
Check the method from Bedrock, 'cause I rock your head to bed
AtiliusRegulus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:29 pm
Public relations tide has already turned against Israel. Genociding and displacing 1.3 million Palestinians are causing Jews to be hated the world over. Foreign governments are trying hard to keep up the charade of support.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong.
Islam is going full mask off, and the world is seeing it in plain sight.
You never liked me, probably don't like me still, but a ***** liking me aint never paid my bills
The outrage against Israel is based strictly on the expected depopulation of Gaza, where food, water and medicine have been cut off. There’s a subtle difference between supporting and having empathy for Palestinians vs supporting Hamas wicked crimes. And the majority of the supposed support that Hamas gets is based on a proxy in that Hamas opposes Israel and not based on the fact that they see Hamas as wholesome. Ie the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It’s not based on the love of akbarisms terrorism etc.
I already predicted that Israel will lose the public relations battle in the long run and they already have. Israel won it initially but have lost it. Heck even my apolitical mother in law is fed up that her cnn is all in for Israel.
Check the method from Bedrock, 'cause I rock your head to bed
