Most impressive MJ accomplishment ever...???
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Bill Cucksell played a team with a losing record in his first finals. Such a concentration of elite talent
Oh yea, Celtics improved by 5 wins in Russell’s first year. Thanks for bringing up that Jordan improved the Bulls by 11. So Jordan roughly had a 2.2X greater impact joining the Bulls than Russell did joining the Celtics
Glad that settles it
Oh yea, Celtics improved by 5 wins in Russell’s first year. Thanks for bringing up that Jordan improved the Bulls by 11. So Jordan roughly had a 2.2X greater impact joining the Bulls than Russell did joining the Celtics
Glad that settles it
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The fact Jordan barely raised his team's win totals completely contradicts the "but but but teammates" narrative.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:04 pm Sooo... no analysis of the supporting casts of all those players, eh bush-league?
If you have terrible teammates, it's EASIER to raise a team's win totals.
Yet Jordan:
-Only increased by 11 Y0 to Y1
-Only increased by 2 Y2 to Y3
-Saw his team only drop by two games 1993 to 1994 when he was removed.
For Bird:
-Increased by 32 Y0 to Y1
-Win a ring in Y2
-Saw his team drop 15 games from 1988 to 1989 when he was removed (wait...I thought he had title-quality teammates?)
-Saw his team raise 10 games from 1989 to 1990 when he was added back.
lol lol lol
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Learn statistics and read carefully.
Russell joined a "respectable" team. It's harder to improve win totals by X amount if you are higher up the scale than if you are lower.
Statistics 101.
By the way, they dropped 7x (14 vs 2) games the first season after removing Russell compared to Jordan.
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Russell only appeared in 48 of 72 games as a rookie.Titan18 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:05 pm Bill Cucksell played a team with a losing record in his first finals. Such a concentration of elite talent
Oh yea, Celtics improved by 5 wins in Russell’s first year. Thanks for bringing up that Jordan improved the Bulls by 11. So Jordan roughly had a 2.2X greater impact joining the Bulls than Russell did joining the Celtics
Glad that settles it
The only important numbers are from the playoffs....where the Celtics record went from 1-2 (first round bounce) to 7-3 (NBA champs).
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So we agree that 11>5Bush4Ever. wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:13 pmLearn statistics and read carefully.
Russell joined a "respectable" team. It's harder to improve win totals by X amount if you are higher up the scale than if you are lower.
Statistics 101.
By the way, they dropped 7x (14 vs 2) games the first season after removing Russell compared to Jordan.
Thanks for that
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Oh and while on topic of year after removal
Bulls 1 - 2 games
Bulls 2 - 49 games
Wizards - 12 games
Average drop of 21 games
So I’m no mathematician but I’m pretty sure 11>5 and 21>14
Glad it’s settled per your criteria
Bulls 1 - 2 games
Bulls 2 - 49 games
Wizards - 12 games
Average drop of 21 games
So I’m no mathematician but I’m pretty sure 11>5 and 21>14
Glad it’s settled per your criteria
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Can we agree that Russell was not on PEDs while Jordan most definitely was?
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Dumb. First of all it would 41 games normed to a regular 82 game season.
1999 saw the removal of both Jordan and Pippen.
Since we know what Jordan's solo drop equaled to (2 games), and know what Jordan + Pippen's drop equaled to (41 games), it stands to reason Pippen was responsible for 39/41 of the effect (95 percent).
Which proves my point about Pippen being more important than Jordan.
You are literally proving me right with your own arguments.
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If only Pettit made that shot.Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:17 pmRussell only appeared in 48 of 72 games as a rookie.Titan18 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:05 pm Bill Cucksell played a team with a losing record in his first finals. Such a concentration of elite talent
Oh yea, Celtics improved by 5 wins in Russell’s first year. Thanks for bringing up that Jordan improved the Bulls by 11. So Jordan roughly had a 2.2X greater impact joining the Bulls than Russell did joining the Celtics
Glad that settles it
The only important numbers are from the playoffs....where the Celtics record went from 1-2 (first round bounce) to 7-3 (NBA champs).
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Oh yea, then it would be an average of 18 game drop.Bush4Ever. wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 2:37 pmDumb. First of all it would 41 games normed to a regular 82 game season.
So it’s
11>5
18>14
Thanks for clarifying!
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Russell actually beat two (2) teams in the Finals with LOSING records (1957 and 1959), and in 1958 he lost in the Finals to a LOWER seed. In the 62, 63, and 65 Finals Russ beat a Lakers teams with just two (2) HOFERS, while Boston featured 7, 8, and 5 HOFERS on their rosters, respectively. In 1964 Russ beat the 3 HOFER Warriors while his Celts featured 7 HOFERS.
I could go on and on... but we all know what's what: Russ' Celtics were STACKED relative to his competition... faaaaar more talented than their opposition, and that's a fact whether bush-league likes it or not.
I could go on and on... but we all know what's what: Russ' Celtics were STACKED relative to his competition... faaaaar more talented than their opposition, and that's a fact whether bush-league likes it or not.
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Wow looks like Pippen was more valuable than Jordan?
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Pippen had a big task in front of him to better Jordan's pre-Pippen playoff winning rate (basically, one game win every three years)
Herculean task...but he did it.
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He also had a knee injury that finals. He missed a game that they lost, and was largely ineffectual compared to his usual self. It's the same team he had beaten the prior year in the finals. No injury, and it's almost certainly 12 out of 13. Try again.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 3:24 pm Russell actually beat two (2) teams in the Finals with LOSING records (1957 and 1959), and in 1958 he lost in the Finals to a LOWER seed. In the 62, 63, and 65 Finals Russ beat a Lakers teams with just two (2) HOFERS, while Boston featured 7, 8, and 5 HOFERS on their rosters, respectively. In 1964 Russ beat the 3 HOFER Warriors while his Celts featured 7 HOFERS.
I could go on and on... but we all know what's what: Russ' Celtics were STACKED relative to his competition... faaaaar more talented than their opposition, and that's a fact whether bush-league likes it or not.
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That would make Pippen the GOAT, and clearly better than LeCommie.
I'm okay with that.
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"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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No….it just means that Jordan had the second best player in the NBA on his team for most of his career.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 5:29 pmThat would make Pippen the GOAT, and clearly better than LeCommie.
I'm okay with that.
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BHAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... all of a sudden injuries are an excuse?????vcsgrizzfan wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 4:43 pmHe also had a knee injury that finals. He missed a game that they lost, and was largely ineffectual compared to his usual self. It's the same team he had beaten the prior year in the finals. No injury, and it's almost certainly 12 out of 13. Try again.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 3:24 pm Russell actually beat two (2) teams in the Finals with LOSING records (1957 and 1959), and in 1958 he lost in the Finals to a LOWER seed. In the 62, 63, and 65 Finals Russ beat a Lakers teams with just two (2) HOFERS, while Boston featured 7, 8, and 5 HOFERS on their rosters, respectively. In 1964 Russ beat the 3 HOFER Warriors while his Celts featured 7 HOFERS.
I could go on and on... but we all know what's what: Russ' Celtics were STACKED relative to his competition... faaaaar more talented than their opposition, and that's a fact whether bush-league likes it or not.
How about those sub .500 teams he beat in the Finals????
That said, no one is taking anything away from the Celtics' Dynasty... the point here is that it just wasn't as impressive as the Bulls' Dynasty is all, for the boatload of reasons provided ITT.
That is all.
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"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."