zombiesonics wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 12:08 pm
Wilt, West, and Baylor would be a good team even in today’s era. Give them a couple of shooters and that team would be a problem.
Meanwhile MJ played against Karl Malone, John Stockton, and Bryon Russell.
No troll it looks like he's being checked by Grizz
This was the 2nd best player on a team JorDone faced in the Finals TWICE.
Not good
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No troll it looks like he's being checked by Grizz
This was the 2nd best player on a team JorDone faced in the Finals TWICE.
Not good
Are you saying Stockton is worse than Jeff Hornacek at that point?
Or did you get your white basketball players confused?
Hornacek scored slightly more PPG than Stockton but worse everywhere else. I'm fairly certain Stockton was considered the #2 guy on those Jazz teams being featured besides Malone in advertisements and such
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Deez wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 2:03 pm
If only Jordan had the privilege of beating 7 other teams for a chunk of those titles.
Russell has a higher playoff series winning percentage than Jordan as well (27-2, 93 percent vs. 30-7, 81 percent).
Not just almost double the rings.
A greater majority of Russell's playoff series were played against (era-adjusted) good or great teams, and he still had a higher playoff series winning percentage than Jordan, who got to feast on mediocre teams early in the playoffs for a good chunk of his career.
Deez wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 2:03 pm
If only Jordan had the privilege of beating 7 other teams for a chunk of those titles.
Russell has a higher playoff series winning percentage than Jordan as well (27-2, 93 percent vs. 30-7, 81 percent).
Not just almost double the rings.
A greater majority of Russell's playoff series were played against (era-adjusted) good or great teams, and he still had a higher playoff series winning percentage than Jordan, who got to feast on mediocre teams early in the playoffs for a good chunk of his career.
8 team league, lmao. Woohoo!!!
I'm no math whiz but fewer teams would mean a greater concentration of talent.
Russell has a higher playoff series winning percentage than Jordan as well (27-2, 93 percent vs. 30-7, 81 percent).
Not just almost double the rings.
A greater majority of Russell's playoff series were played against (era-adjusted) good or great teams, and he still had a higher playoff series winning percentage than Jordan, who got to feast on mediocre teams early in the playoffs for a good chunk of his career.
8 team league, lmao. Woohoo!!!
I'm no math whiz but fewer teams would mean a greater concentration of talent.
Winning the finals by winning 2 total series isn’t impressive. Starting off in the conference finals, lol.
I'm no math whiz but fewer teams would mean a greater concentration of talent.
Winning the finals by winning 2 total series isn’t impressive. Starting off in the conference finals, lol.
Even more laughable... some of those series were the Best of 5. ... with the Celtics STACKED with 5-6-7-8 future HOFERS on their roster every year, playing against steams with 2-3 on average, and yet Russell was taken to 7 games ten (10) different times.
Impressive Dynasty no question... but not as impressive as MJ and the 90's Bulls.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
Bush4Ever. wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:12 am
Jordan lost more playoff series before winning his first playoff series than Russell did in his entire career.
Jordan without Pippen literally didn't win a series in five years worth of tries, and missed the playoffs entirely twice.
Jordan Jockers: "Jordan GOAT winner!"
Demented. lol.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Irrelevent as shit.
You lose before you win. You idiots acting like he should have been winning titles as a rookie and before he was prime are fucking idiots. And stop repeating stupidity that you hear on tv about not winning anything until pippen
Bush4Ever. wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 1:12 am
Jordan lost more playoff series before winning his first playoff series than Russell did in his entire career.
Jordan without Pippen literally didn't win a series in five years worth of tries, and missed the playoffs entirely twice.
Jordan Jockers: "Jordan GOAT winner!"
Demented. lol.
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
Jordan inherited a 27-win team full of coke-heads... and Bulls' FO overhauled the roster twice in MJ's first 4 years (before Pip came along).
Russell "inherited" a team with 6 other (future) HOFERS on the roster.
As usual, you have no point.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
elartman1973 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 7:19 am
Irrelevent as shit.
You lose before you win. You idiots acting like he should have been winning titles as a rookie and before he was prime are fucking idiots.
That's factually inaccurate and a straight up lie, bub.
*Many* legends have won right out of the gate.
Russell did (1st year)
Kareem did (2nd year)
Magic did (1st year)
Bird did (2nd year)
Duncan did (2nd year)
Dr. J did (3rd year)
Wade did (3rd year)
Mikan did (1st year)
Walton did (3rd year)
Not only could Jordan not win a ring like these guys, he couldn't even win a playoff series without Pippen.
Friggin Wade won a TITLE in his third year.
By his third year, Jordan had one playoff GAME win.
thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 10:26 am
jordan bad team waaaaah waaah waaah
Bird came to a team with 29 wins the prior year. He won a ring in year two.
Duncan came to a team with 20 wins the prior year. He won a ring in year two.
Kareem came to a team with 27 wins the prior year. He won a ring in year two.
Jordan came to a team with 27 wins.
He won a playoff series in year four, and a ring in year seven.
Notice how bush-league conveniently cherry-picks certain players for certain discussions... for instance, he doesn't use his boy-friend LeBron because it took him 8 years to win his first ring... and he had to cheat in order to do so.
As for the other guys, feel free to do one of your trademark dissertations on the supporting casts those players had vs. what MJ had alongside him his first few years in the league.
We'll await your findings.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
Yes TDK, I've flatly said Lebron is not the greatest winner in NBA history.
Neither is Jordan.
Pretty simple to anyone who is objective.
Jordan is approximately a top 10-15 winner in NBA history, because of his multiple threepeats, but complete and utter failure to win *anything* of substance outside the Pippen/Jackson/borderline all-star PF cocoon.
The threepeats are real, but so is the *complete* history of *total* failure outside the protective cocoon.
thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 12:52 pm
As for the other guys, feel free to do one of your trademark dissertations on the supporting casts those players had vs. what MJ had alongside him his first few years in the league.
If Jordan had basement level talent on his team, it would be *easier* for him to raise win totals by X amount.
It's harder to improve average or good teams in win total than bad teams.
Yet Jordan only improved the Bulls by 11 games in year one, and two (lol) games year two to year three.
Wow...another piece of evidence "coincidentally" falls in line against the Jordan = God narrative.
Strange. And definitely a coincidence. Again. For the 100th time.
