Most impressive MJ accomplishment ever...???
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Most impressive MJ accomplishment ever...???
First off, for perspective sake, let's keep in mind the GOAT accomplished more in just 11 (full) seasons with the Bulls than LeBron and Jabbar did in 20 years. So dare I say this one is gonna be impossible to form any sort of consensus opinion, what with just a few of the most obvious ones include:
- A perfect 6-0/6 MVP's in the Finals (greatest Winner ever)
- 10 Scoring titles and 9 First Team All Defense selections (greatest all-around player - WoW!)
- Winning the MVP, Scoring title and DPOY in the same season (the only player to do so)
- Winning 2 separate 3-Peats with two entirely different sets of teammates (only Pip was the constant)
...and you could go on and on and on, but having said that, which one of MJ's accomplishments is MOST impressive?
At the end of the day I would have to say Jordan playing 626 straight games (Regular Season, Playoffs/Finals combined from 91-98) without ever losing more than 2 games in a row. Think of it: That's like going almost 8 full seasons and never having a 3 game losing streak! For perspective sake, LeBron lost 3 in a row multiple times this season alone, and he only played slightly more than half the year!!
So what say you folks?
- A perfect 6-0/6 MVP's in the Finals (greatest Winner ever)
- 10 Scoring titles and 9 First Team All Defense selections (greatest all-around player - WoW!)
- Winning the MVP, Scoring title and DPOY in the same season (the only player to do so)
- Winning 2 separate 3-Peats with two entirely different sets of teammates (only Pip was the constant)
...and you could go on and on and on, but having said that, which one of MJ's accomplishments is MOST impressive?
At the end of the day I would have to say Jordan playing 626 straight games (Regular Season, Playoffs/Finals combined from 91-98) without ever losing more than 2 games in a row. Think of it: That's like going almost 8 full seasons and never having a 3 game losing streak! For perspective sake, LeBron lost 3 in a row multiple times this season alone, and he only played slightly more than half the year!!
So what say you folks?
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Re: Most impressive MJ accomplishment ever...???
It's a serious question designed to spark logical, rational, civil discussion.
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Re: Most impressive MJ accomplishment ever...???
Waiting for Bush to go full blown retard mode making an attempt to hammer Jordan.
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His best accomplishment is obviously the pair of threepeats in a leading role, and everything nested within that (leader, MVP of regular season and Finals outside 1996, etc...).
To put that in perspective, Bill Russell, only had six separate threepeats, but Jordan doing it once is still impressive AF.
To put that in perspective, Bill Russell, only had six separate threepeats, but Jordan doing it once is still impressive AF.
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Re: Most impressive MJ accomplishment ever...???
Russell has 18 RIngs?Bush4Ever. wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 11:57 pm His best accomplishment is obviously the pair of threepeats in a leading role, and everything nested within that (leader, MVP of regular season and Finals outside 1996, etc...).
To put that in perspective, Bill Russell, only had six separate threepeats, but Jordan doing it once is still impressive AF.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Stone-cold killer on the court... can you imagine Jordan playing today, with these sissy rules against these soft players (who need 2 weeks off for an AS break, can't average 38-40 minutes a game, need numerous "rest days" off per year, etc., etc., etc.)
Mike would eat this era alive, no question.
But I digress... back to the topic.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
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He won the title from 59-61.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 10:47 amRussell has 18 RIngs?Bush4Ever. wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 11:57 pm His best accomplishment is obviously the pair of threepeats in a leading role, and everything nested within that (leader, MVP of regular season and Finals outside 1996, etc...).
To put that in perspective, Bill Russell, only had six separate threepeats, but Jordan doing it once is still impressive AF.
He won the title from 60-62.
He won the title from 61-63.
He won the title from 62-64.
He won the title from 63-65.
He won the title from 64-66.
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Re: Most impressive MJ accomplishment ever...???
Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 11:07 amHe won the title from 59-61.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 10:47 amRussell has 18 RIngs?Bush4Ever. wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 11:57 pm His best accomplishment is obviously the pair of threepeats in a leading role, and everything nested within that (leader, MVP of regular season and Finals outside 1996, etc...).
To put that in perspective, Bill Russell, only had six separate threepeats, but Jordan doing it once is still impressive AF.
He won the title from 60-62.
He won the title from 61-63.
He won the title from 62-64.
He won the title from 63-65.
He won the title from 64-66.
Yeah, okay then... but he said 6 "seperate" 3-Peats, meaning win 3 lose, then win 3, etc. I just figured 11 in 13 years sort of speaks for itself.
BTW, since Russell was brought up:
Did you know 9 of his 11 Championships came when there were just 8-10 teams in the league? True story.
Did you also know that for 8 of his 11 Championships Russell/Celtics only had to win one (1) Playoff series to reach the Finals? Yup, that's true too,
And did you also know that Russell was taken to 7-games a whopping 10 times during his run (including 5 times in the Finals) despite most of those seasons Boston had 2-3 times as many future HOF teammates on the roster than their opponents? True again!
In other words by every logical and objective criteria Jordan's Bulls Dynasty was more impressive.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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* a clear indication of the watered-down, WEAK era he played inthedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:43 pm First off, for perspective sake, let's keep in mind the GOAT accomplished more in just 11 (full) seasons with the Bulls than LeBron and Jabbar did in 20 years. So dare I say this one is gonna be impossible to form any sort of consensus opinion, what with just a few of the most obvious ones include:
- A perfect 6-0/6 MVP's in the Finals (greatest Winner ever)
- 10 Scoring titles and 9 First Team All Defense selections (greatest all-around player - WoW!)
- Winning the MVP, Scoring title and DPOY in the same season (the only player to do so)
- Winning 2 separate 3-Peats with two entirely different sets of teammates (only Pip was the constant)
...and you could go on and on and on, but having said that, which one of MJ's accomplishments is MOST impressive?
At the end of the day I would have to say Jordan playing 626 straight games (Regular Season, Playoffs/Finals combined from 91-98) without ever losing more than 2 games in a row. Think of it: That's like going almost 8 full seasons and never having a 3 game losing streak! For perspective sake, LeBron lost 3 in a row multiple times this season alone, and he only played slightly more than half the year!! *
So what say you folks?
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The Celtics ONLY had "2-3 times as many future HOFer's" than other teams because Russell made them winners.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:21 pmRobceltsfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 11:07 amHe won the title from 59-61.
He won the title from 60-62.
He won the title from 61-63.
He won the title from 62-64.
He won the title from 63-65.
He won the title from 64-66.
Yeah, okay then... but he said 6 "seperate" 3-Peats, meaning win 3 lose, then win 3, etc. I just figured 11 in 13 years sort of speaks for itself.
BTW, since Russell was brought up:
Did you know 9 of his 11 Championships came when there were just 8-10 teams in the league? True story.
Did you also know that for 8 of his 11 Championships Russell/Celtics only had to win one (1) Playoff series to reach the Finals? Yup, that's true too,
And did you also know that Russell was taken to 7-games a whopping 10 times during his run (including 5 times in the Finals) despite most of those seasons Boston had 2-3 times as many future HOF teammates on the roster than their opponents? True again!
In other words by every logical and objective criteria Jordan's Bulls Dynasty was more impressive.
If Jordan were good enough to win 11 titles....Ho Grant, BJ Armstrong, etc.....would have been HOFer's too.
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His most impressive accomplishment was waiting for Magic/Bird to get old, the NBA talent to dilute from expansion in the 90s, and for Pippen to come along to get him out of the 1st round.
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Sure thing bub...Shill Jackson wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:29 pm* a clear indication of the watered-down, WEAK era he played inthedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:43 pm First off, for perspective sake, let's keep in mind the GOAT accomplished more in just 11 (full) seasons with the Bulls than LeBron and Jabbar did in 20 years. So dare I say this one is gonna be impossible to form any sort of consensus opinion, what with just a few of the most obvious ones include:
- A perfect 6-0/6 MVP's in the Finals (greatest Winner ever)
- 10 Scoring titles and 9 First Team All Defense selections (greatest all-around player - WoW!)
- Winning the MVP, Scoring title and DPOY in the same season (the only player to do so)
- Winning 2 separate 3-Peats with two entirely different sets of teammates (only Pip was the constant)
...and you could go on and on and on, but having said that, which one of MJ's accomplishments is MOST impressive?
At the end of the day I would have to say Jordan playing 626 straight games (Regular Season, Playoffs/Finals combined from 91-98) without ever losing more than 2 games in a row. Think of it: That's like going almost 8 full seasons and never having a 3 game losing streak! For perspective sake, LeBron lost 3 in a row multiple times this season alone, and he only played slightly more than half the year!! *
So what say you folks?
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Wrong, as usual.Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:46 pmThe Celtics ONLY had "2-3 times as many future HOFer's" than other teams because Russell made them winners.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:21 pmRobceltsfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 11:07 am
He won the title from 59-61.
He won the title from 60-62.
He won the title from 61-63.
He won the title from 62-64.
He won the title from 63-65.
He won the title from 64-66.
Yeah, okay then... but he said 6 "seperate" 3-Peats, meaning win 3 lose, then win 3, etc. I just figured 11 in 13 years sort of speaks for itself.
BTW, since Russell was brought up:
Did you know 9 of his 11 Championships came when there were just 8-10 teams in the league? True story.
Did you also know that for 8 of his 11 Championships Russell/Celtics only had to win one (1) Playoff series to reach the Finals? Yup, that's true too,
And did you also know that Russell was taken to 7-games a whopping 10 times during his run (including 5 times in the Finals) despite most of those seasons Boston had 2-3 times as many future HOF teammates on the roster than their opponents? True again!
In other words by every logical and objective criteria Jordan's Bulls Dynasty was more impressive.
If Jordan were good enough to win 11 titles....Ho Grant, BJ Armstrong, etc.....would have been HOFer's too.
In fact Russell inherited a (future) HOF backcourt, plus Heinsohn was a rookie the same year as Russ, and Sam Jones came along the very next season. Hondo proved his HOF worthiness after Russ retired, Bailey Howell was a 20/11 guy for a half-dozen seasons before joining the Celtics, etc.
Relative to the competition at the time those Celtics were faaaaaaaaar more talented from top-to-bottom than 95% of the teams they faced during their 13 year run.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Another uninformed / dumb comment, since Magic was the runner-up MVP in 91 (the year Jordan beat him) while the Bulls never faced Bird in the playoffs after MJ's 3rd season.LeBronMonsterDunk wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:58 pm His most impressive accomplishment was waiting for Magic/Bird to get old, the NBA talent to dilute from expansion in the 90s, and for Pippen to come along to get him out of the 1st round.
Go Jordan!
\...and yes, rookie Pippen's 8-Points / 4-rebounds a game was most definitely the #1 reason why the Bulls got out of the first round.
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"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Bill is the common denominator.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 2:21 pmWrong, as usual.Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:46 pmThe Celtics ONLY had "2-3 times as many future HOFer's" than other teams because Russell made them winners.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:21 pm
Yeah, okay then... but he said 6 "seperate" 3-Peats, meaning win 3 lose, then win 3, etc. I just figured 11 in 13 years sort of speaks for itself.
BTW, since Russell was brought up:
Did you know 9 of his 11 Championships came when there were just 8-10 teams in the league? True story.
Did you also know that for 8 of his 11 Championships Russell/Celtics only had to win one (1) Playoff series to reach the Finals? Yup, that's true too,
And did you also know that Russell was taken to 7-games a whopping 10 times during his run (including 5 times in the Finals) despite most of those seasons Boston had 2-3 times as many future HOF teammates on the roster than their opponents? True again!
In other words by every logical and objective criteria Jordan's Bulls Dynasty was more impressive.
If Jordan were good enough to win 11 titles....Ho Grant, BJ Armstrong, etc.....would have been HOFer's too.
In fact Russell inherited a (future) HOF backcourt, plus Heinsohn was a rookie the same year as Russ, and Sam Jones came along the very next season. Hondo proved his HOF worthiness after Russ retired, Bailey Howell was a 20/11 guy for a half-dozen seasons before joining the Celtics, etc.
Relative to the competition at the time those Celtics were faaaaaaaaar more talented from top-to-bottom than 95% of the teams they faced during their 13 year run.
Sam Jones was a role player for his first three titles. Howell only participated in two titles....he was an opponent for 7 seasons prior. Hondo only won 2 titles after Russell....one of those saw him average 13 PPG in the playoffs.
It was Bill.
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Wrong. Sam Jones was Boston's best Scorer for a number of playoff/Finals series... Russell was a borderline liability on Offense. Hondo, Cousy, Sharmin... sure HOFERS with/without Russell. Heinsohn broke in with Russ (so you could argue Tom made Russ), and Howell was a premier NBA all-star before ever teamming with Russell.Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 2:28 pmBill is the common denominator.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 2:21 pmWrong, as usual.Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 12:46 pm
The Celtics ONLY had "2-3 times as many future HOFer's" than other teams because Russell made them winners.
If Jordan were good enough to win 11 titles....Ho Grant, BJ Armstrong, etc.....would have been HOFer's too.
In fact Russell inherited a (future) HOF backcourt, plus Heinsohn was a rookie the same year as Russ, and Sam Jones came along the very next season. Hondo proved his HOF worthiness after Russ retired, Bailey Howell was a 20/11 guy for a half-dozen seasons before joining the Celtics, etc.
Relative to the competition at the time those Celtics were faaaaaaaaar more talented from top-to-bottom than 95% of the teams they faced during their 13 year run.
Sam Jones was a role player for his first three titles. Howell only participated in two titles....he was an opponent for 7 seasons prior. Hondo only won 2 titles after Russell....one of those saw him average 13 PPG in the playoffs.
It was Bill.
at you making these guys out as scrubs that Russell raised to stars.
Russell was the Dennis Rodman of his time... only difference is no one in the league actually played Defense back then, which is what made Russ stand out. But the talent-level surrounding him was almost always superior to the competition Boston faced every year in the playoffs.
"Today's NBA is soft, the Defense is weak, and the rules 'really' favor the Offense."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
"Lebron doesn’t guard for a full game and our game plan was to get him to play defense and he left me open all game."
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Tommy Heinson: Career 40.5% shooter
TDK: "Tom made Russ!!!"
Bill Russell: Career 44.0% shooter who averaged triple the rebounds and double the assists of Heinsohn
TDK: "This mofo was an offensive liability!!!"
TDK: "Tom made Russ!!!"
Bill Russell: Career 44.0% shooter who averaged triple the rebounds and double the assists of Heinsohn
TDK: "This mofo was an offensive liability!!!"
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The last time you tried to make that argument, Bush completely obliterated you TDK, as usual.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 2:34 pmWrong. Sam Jones was Boston's best Scorer for a number of playoff/Finals series... Russell was a borderline liability on Offense. Hondo, Cousy, Sharmin... sure HOFERS with/without Russell. Heinsohn broke in with Russ (so you could argue Tom made Russ), and Howell was a premier NBA all-star before ever teamming with Russell.Robceltsfan wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 2:28 pmBill is the common denominator.thedangerouskitchen wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 2:21 pm
Wrong, as usual.
In fact Russell inherited a (future) HOF backcourt, plus Heinsohn was a rookie the same year as Russ, and Sam Jones came along the very next season. Hondo proved his HOF worthiness after Russ retired, Bailey Howell was a 20/11 guy for a half-dozen seasons before joining the Celtics, etc.
Relative to the competition at the time those Celtics were faaaaaaaaar more talented from top-to-bottom than 95% of the teams they faced during their 13 year run.
Sam Jones was a role player for his first three titles. Howell only participated in two titles....he was an opponent for 7 seasons prior. Hondo only won 2 titles after Russell....one of those saw him average 13 PPG in the playoffs.
It was Bill.
at you making these guys out as scrubs that Russell raised to stars.
Russell was the Dennis Rodman of his time... only difference is no one in the league actually played Defense back then, which is what made Russ stand out. But the talent-level surrounding him was almost always superior to the competition Boston faced every year in the playoffs.